Non-Eu (non visa required) travelling to Ireland to marry an Irish citizen

labelladejour

I am a non-EU citizen who had legally lived in Ireland as a student from 2008 to 2012, when I came back to my home country. Since I was living in the Republic I've been in a relationship with an Irish citizen . We've been keeping the long distance relationship and he visited me few times in this meanwhile.We are trully in love with each other so we've got engaged a while ago and we're getting married in October .We already have everything arranged with his local Registrar Office. I am travelling to Ireland in two months time to organise the details of our wedding reception (I've been doing bits from home, anyway).
As I don't need to request a visa to the Irish embassy in my country in order to enter in Ireland as a tourist, my doubts are(I've searched everywhere and couldn't find answers for all of my questions):
-Is there any problem in getting into the country in a tourist visa to get married (there's no fiancee visa in my case)? Is there any requirement about amount of money I should bring with me, as I will be partially supported by my future husband for a while? Should my fiancee write an invitation letter explaining the purpose of my entrance? Do I need to buy a travel insurance as we're going to buy one as a couple as soon as I step in Ireland? Asking this because My mum has always bought it when she went to visit me and the customs have never asked her about it.
- As we're staying in the country at least until December (when we are travelling to my home country for another wedding reception ). Would there be any problem in getting a permission to stay in the country and get permission to work to help to pay our bills? Yes, we also intend to live in ireland in a long term after our second reception.
I am a little bit worried about entering the country, as I've heard customs can be quite rude , moody and other adjectives that I've forgot in English...I had always entered as a student, so I've no ideia how is it going to be be now. Has anyone there been in a similar position? Any ideia of what should I do?
Thanks in advance and sorry for thousand questions and the poor grammar

ABajaninCork

Check with the Irish Embassy. Think you need a de-facto visa...

Riat

Hi,
I have question related with Ireland visa ,I am in relationship with Italian and have every details like emails ,pics and chat conversation and expenses he spend for me during Italy holiday like ticket and all and I started staying with him from few months but bills and bank accounts are not have my name ,in DE facto we need to show proofs of two years relationship and all utility bills,I am Indian and here with student visa from two years and it will be expiring this year and I want to stay here in Ireland as he is working here.Is their any chance of special exemption to stay here by providing all the proofs,it is very hard to get work permit to work here as I am trying from so many months ,thank you

ABajaninCork

See above. A de-facto visa's needed. Either that or go to the Italian Embassy and hear what they have to say.

tatli_lokma

labelladejour wrote: »

I am a non-EU citizen who had legally lived in Ireland as a student from 2008 to 2012, when I came back to my home country. Since I was living in the Republic I've been in a relationship with an Irish citizen . We've been keeping the long distance relationship and he visited me few times in this meanwhile.We are trully in love with each other so we've got engaged a while ago and we're getting married in October .We already have everything arranged with his local Registrar Office. I am travelling to Ireland in two months time to organise the details of our wedding reception (I've been doing bits from home, anyway).
As I don't need to request a visa to the Irish embassy in my country in order to enter in Ireland as a tourist, my doubts are(I've searched everywhere and couldn't find answers for all of my questions):
-Is there any problem in getting into the country in a tourist visa to get married (there's no fiancee visa in my case)? Is there any requirement about amount of money I should bring with me, as I will be partially supported by my future husband for a while? Should my fiancee write an invitation letter explaining the purpose of my entrance? Do I need to buy a travel insurance as we're going to buy one as a couple as soon as I step in Ireland? Asking this because My mum has always bought it when she went to visit me and the customs have never asked her about it.
- As we're staying in the country at least until December (when we are travelling to my home country for another wedding reception ). Would there be any problem in getting a permission to stay in the country and get permission to work to help to pay our bills? Yes, we also intend to live in ireland in a long term after our second reception.
I am a little bit worried about entering the country, as I've heard customs can be quite rude , moody and other adjectives that I've forgot in English...I had always entered as a student, so I've no ideia how is it going to be be now. Has anyone there been in a similar position? Any ideia of what should I do?
Thanks in advance and sorry for thousand questions and the poor grammar

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Check with the Irish Embassy. Think you need a de-facto visa...

It's not actually a defacto you need, it is a fiance visa. Why were you told or why do you think a fiance visa doesn't apply to you?

Just some info from our situation....

We were intending to come to Ireland to marry as travelling to my husband's country would have been too hard for my dad. We contacted the Irish Embassy in the country we were living in and asked about a fiance visa and were told - incorrectly - that there is no such thing. So we applied for a standard tourist visa as per the advice of the Irish Embassy. Roll on 2 months and my dad is much more ill so we dedcided to stay in Ireland for a year after the wedding and see how it worked out, if we could get jobs etc.

But the problem was, because my husband entered on a tourist visa, got married and then applied for Stamp 4 spouse of an Irish national, things were much more complicated. If you arrive in Ireland on a fiance visa, then once you are married you can go to Burgh quay or your local immigration garda and you can apply to have your visa converted. Because they have already assessed the authenticity of your relationship, once you get married it is much more straight forward and speedy to then get a spousal visa and a work permit.

However, if you enter as a tourist and do not advise them of your intent to marry, you will have to go through a much longer process after the wedding to be allowed to stay. Firstly you will need to submit a spousal visa application and then head to Burgh quay to have either an extension put on your tourist visa (which they don't often do) or request that they place a non-deportation order on your record - meaning that if you turn up in an audit as someone who has 'overstayed' their visa, they know that there is a reason for it and won't deport you.

The application for a spousal visa requires a lot of paperwork and details. Once you finally get those all off to INIS, you are then faced with at least a 6 mth wait for your visa and stamp 4 work permit exemption.

My advice is to let them know from day one that you are coming here to get married - it will take longer in the initial stages, but once you are here and married it will be much much quicker for you to get permanent or at least long term residency and a work permit exemption.

ABajaninCork

Problem is that Riat is an Indian national, and her partner's Italian....

Whilst marriage to an EU national will allow them to live here (and anywhere else in the EU!), they are not yet married. I'm not sure the Irish Embassy will be able to help here if the visa's expiring soon. I would speak to the embassy anyway, but also have a word with the Italian Embassy too. It might be easier to get a permit through them with the fiance's sponsorship.

labelladejour

Hi Ted, I mentioned, "As I don't need to request a visa to the Irish embassy in my country in order to enter in Ireland as a tourist...". I am from Brazil and they usually grant the stamp(tourist visa) at the passaport control desk, when we arrive in the country. Even for students work this way. At the passaport control we must show that we have enough money to support ourselves during our intented stay, a letter form the school we're going to study and the adress of we're staying. Then they give us 30 days to remain in the country and go to the Immigration Office on Burgh Quay Only there here they give us the student visa.

Check this,page 5 list the countries that doesn't need a visa in order to enter in Ireland as tourists: http://www.dfa.ie/uploads/documents/Consular/s.i.%20no.417%20of%202012.pdf

labelladejour

Little Ted wrote: »

It's not actually a defacto you need, it is a fiance visa. Why were you told or why do you think a fiance visa doesn't apply to you?

Just some info from our situation....

We were intending to come to Ireland to marry as travelling to my husband's country would have been too hard for my dad. We contacted the Irish Embassy in the country we were living in and asked about a fiance visa and were told - incorrectly - that there is no such thing. So we applied for a standard tourist visa as per the advice of the Irish Embassy. Roll on 2 months and my dad is much more ill so we dedcided to stay in Ireland for a year after the wedding and see how it worked out, if we could get jobs etc.

But the problem was, because my husband entered on a tourist visa, got married and then applied for Stamp 4 spouse of an Irish national, things were much more complicated. If you arrive in Ireland on a fiance visa, then once you are married you can go to Burgh quay or your local immigration garda and you can apply to have your visa converted. Because they have already assessed the authenticity of your relationship, once you get married it is much more straight forward and speedy to then get a spousal visa and a work permit.

However, if you enter as a tourist and do not advise them of your intent to marry, you will have to go through a much longer process after the wedding to be allowed to stay. Firstly you will need to submit a spousal visa application and then head to Burgh quay to have either an extension put on your tourist visa (which they don't often do) or request that they place a non-deportation order on your record - meaning that if you turn up in an audit as someone who has 'overstayed' their visa, they know that there is a reason for it and won't deport you.

The application for a spousal visa requires a lot of paperwork and details. Once you finally get those all off to INIS, you are then faced with at least a 6 mth wait for your visa and stamp 4 work permit exemption.

My advice is to let them know from day one that you are coming here to get married - it will take longer in the initial stages, but once you are here and married it will be much much quicker for you to get permanent or at least long term residency and a work permit exemption.

Hi Ted, I mentioned, "As I don't need to request a visa to the Irish embassy in my country in order to enter in Ireland as a tourist...". ;)I am from Brazil and they usually grant the stamp(tourist visa) at the passaport control desk, when we arrive in the country. Even for students work this way. At the passaport control we must show that we have enough money to support ourselves during our intented stay, a letter form the school we're going to study and the adress of we're staying. Then they give us 30 days to remain in the country and go to the Immigration Office on Burgh Quay Only there they give us the student visa.

Check this,page 5 list the countries that don't need a visa in order to enter in Ireland as tourists: http://www.dfa.ie/uploads/documents/...0of%202012.pdf

tatli_lokma

ABajaninCork wrote:

Problem is that Riat is an Indian national, and her partner's Italian....

Whilst marriage to an EU national will allow them to live here (and anywhere else in the EU!), they are not yet married. I'm not sure the Irish Embassy will be able to help here if the visa's expiring soon. I would speak to the embassy anyway, but also have a word with the Italian Embassy too. It might be easier to get a permit through them with the fiance's sponsorship.

my reply was in reference to OP who is in a relationship to an Irish citizen.

labelladejour wrote: »

Hi Ted, I mentioned, "As I don't need to request a visa to the Irish embassy in my country in order to enter in Ireland as a tourist...". ;)I am from Brazil and they usually grant the stamp(tourist visa) at the passaport control desk, when we arrive in the country. Even for students work this way. At the passaport control we must show that we have enough money to support ourselves during our intented stay, a letter form the school we're going to study and the adress of we're staying. Then they give us 30 days to remain in the country and go to the Immigration Office on Burgh Quay Only there they give us the student visa.

Check this,page 5 list the countries that don't need a visa in order to enter in Ireland as tourists: http://www.dfa.ie/uploads/documents/...0of%202012.pdf

I understand you don't need a visa to enter - but this is a different situation to you arriving for tourist or student reasons. In effect you are not entering the country as a tourist - you intend on marrying here and then plan to reside here. So technically you are entering under false pretences and the immigration officer reviewing your spousal visa application at a later stage may not be too happy with you. This may raise red flags with them and they will question the legitimacy of your marriage - if so the application for a spousal visa could end up taking over a year to be approved.

Even American/Australian citizens (who also get a stamp at the boarder) are advised to apply for a fiance visa in situations such as yours. You are free not to if you wish, but you asked for advice and my advice is apply for a fiance visa. If you don't you run the risk of being left a long time waiting for a spousal visa and will not be able to work in the meantime.
Also, at the boarder you are not guaranteed 90 days visa - again it is at the discretion of the immigration officer. What will you do if they say no, you're not getting 90 days, you can have 30 instead?

In addition, when your tourist visa runs out what will you do? there is no way you will have spousal visa approval within that time frame. If you are lucky they will place a non-deportation order on your visa, but they are within their rights to send you home while your spousal visa is processed. This does not happen often, but it is at the descretion of the immigration officer your case is assigned to.

As I say, you are free to disregard my advice, but that will be at your own risk. You are not entering as a tourist, so using a tourist visa is the wrong route to take.

labelladejour

Little Ted wrote: »

my reply was in reference to OP who is in a relationship to an Irish citizen.





I understand you don't need a visa to enter - but this is a different situation to you arriving for tourist or student reasons. In effect you are not entering the country as a tourist - you intend on marrying here and then plan to reside here. So technically you are entering under false pretences and the immigration officer reviewing your spousal visa application at a later stage may not be too happy with you. This may raise red flags with them and they will question the legitimacy of your marriage - if so the application for a spousal visa could end up taking over a year to be approved.

Even American/Australian citizens (who also get a stamp at the boarder) are advised to apply for a fiance visa in situations such as yours. You are free not to if you wish, but you asked for advice and my advice is apply for a fiance visa. If you don't you run the risk of being left a long time waiting for a spousal visa and will not be able to work in the meantime.
Also, at the boarder you are not guaranteed 90 days visa - again it is at the discretion of the immigration officer. What will you do if they say no, you're not getting 90 days, you can have 30 instead?

In addition, when your tourist visa runs out what will you do? there is no way you will have spousal visa approval within that time frame. If you are lucky they will place a non-deportation order on your visa, but they are within their rights to send you home while your spousal visa is processed. This does not happen often, but it is at the descretion of the immigration officer your case is assigned to.

As I say, you are free to disregard my advice, but that will be at your own risk. You are not entering as a tourist, so using a tourist visa is the wrong route to take.

Thanks for your advice, the thing is that I've contacted the Irish Emabssy where I live and I also called the citizens information and they are unaware of this fiancee visa .I've heard the UK and US offer it, but the Irish visa system doesn't offer such a thing. While writing you a reply I've just found this: http://www.migrantproject.ie/documents/ResidencyInformationforFamilyMembersandPartnersofIrishCitizens02.2011_002.pdf .

Please, go to page 8 of the pdf document and read the first NOTE in the box: "The visa system does not have a fiancé(e) category. If you intend to travel to Ireland for the purposes of getting married to an Irish citizen in Ireland then in practice it may be possible to obtain a holiday/visit visa and then after entering Ireland and getting married to apply for residency. "

I appreciate your help, but unfortunately there's no fiancee visa in Ireland. Where did you read about it? can you tell me the source, please. I am extremely confused right now.

About the 90 days, I hope they give me, as I have proof of my relationship, proof of the letter issued from the Register Office, proof of the wedding venue reception...It is a legitimate relationship anyway...And I know that at the Burgh Quay people usually are granted they spousal visa on the same day that they apply for it . I have friends who's been in this situation. Of course, it will be great to work and help to pay my house exenses and share the bills with my future husband, but that's not the reason while I intend to move to Ireland, I'm going to the country to marry the man I love and to begin a life with him. So work permit is not what bugs me at the moment. I am afraid of the passaport control, and I wonder if someone has been in a such a situation. If they had their entrance denied in the country, if they were questioned, what sort of documents they had to show to the customs and things like that. Also, I would like to know If they were granted the 90 days tourist visa.

Thanks

ABajaninCork

Only one way to find out. Why don't you CALL the Irish Embassy? They can give you the definitive answer...

labelladejour

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Only one way to find out. Why don't you CALL the Irish Embassy? They can give you the definitive answer...

I'VE DONE that, and I've mentioned that on the above post.

ABajaninCork

We've tried to give advice and you don't want to seem to take it. The only thing you're interested in is trying to enter the country on a tourist visa and trying to sort it out from there. I wish you luck with that.

smurfjed

ABajaninCork, she already stated that she had called the Irish embassy in Brazil and was told that there isn't such a thing as a "fiancee" visa. If you believe differently would you be so kind as to quote a reference to it.

OP send an email to the immigration department and ask them for the correct procedure.

smurfjed

ABajaninCork

smurfjed wrote: »

ABajaninCork, she already stated that she had called the Irish embassy in Brazil and was told that there isn't such a thing as a "fiancee" visa. If you believe differently would you be so kind as to quote a reference to it.

OP send an email to the immigration department and ask them for the correct procedure.

smurfjed

Why don't you read what I post? I NEVER said ANYTHING about a Fiancee visa, did I? All I've been saying is the check with the Embassy. They should be able to either advise or tell the OP the best place to go for advice.

labelladejour

smurfjed wrote: »

ABajaninCork, she already stated that she had called the Irish embassy in Brazil and was told that there isn't such a thing as a "fiancee" visa. If you believe differently would you be so kind as to quote a reference to it.

OP send an email to the immigration department and ask them for the correct procedure.

smurfjed

Thanks a lot, I'll call the GNIB on Monday.

labelladejour

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ABajaninCork wrote: »

We've tried to give advice and you don't want to seem to take it. The only thing you're interested in is trying to enter the country on a tourist visa and trying to sort it out from there. I wish you luck with that.

Why do you have to be so rude, while the only thing I am doing is trying to clarify things and tell people who tried to help me that , unfortunately, most of their info does not match with the results I've found on my researches? I am using a source to justify my questions, so please, read the entire post, take a deep breath, think, and then comment.


I've just mentioned this in one of my replies...I think you didn't read it:

http://www.migrantproject.ie/documents/ResidencyInformationforFamilyMembersandPartnersofIrishCitizens02.2011_002.pdf

Please, go to page 8 of the pdf document and read the first NOTE in the box: "The visa system does not have a fiancé(e) category. If you intend to travel to Ireland for the purposes of GETTING MARRIED to an Irish citizen in Ireland then in PRACTICE it may be possible to obtain a HOLIDAY/VISIT visa and then after entering Ireland and getting married to apply for residency. "

So, I think I am not being stubborn trying to enter the country on a tourist visa and trying to sort things out when in Ireland, am I? According to the document on the link above that's the procedure for someone in my situation.There's no other option according to all the info I've gathered. What I asked , after getting to know this, was if anyone had been in a similar situation and what happened, how did the customs treated them(or threatened, who knows), and what sort of documents they needed. So I will try to contact the GNIB and the immigration rights on Monday. Thank you.

hedgehog2

There is no such thing as a fiancee visa.
Give your 90 days notice to the registrar,once your marrued just head down to burgh quay.
I would inform the irish embassy if your intent to marry as stated above it speeds the process up.
They will grant you a tourist visa and if all is legit you can change over to stamp 4 after the marriage,you cant work before this stamp.

tatli_lokma

You asked for advice. You got it. But it is not the advice you seem to be interested in.

I personally HAD THE SAME experience as you and read the same info as you. We were told by the Irish embassy that there was no such thing as a fiance visa but when the time came for us to advise INIS that we were married we were subjected to a long lecture from the immigration officer that my husband had entered under false presence and should have made it clear prior to travelling that his intent was to marry. It was only when we begged him to phone the Irish embassy in Ankara that he realised we were told there is no 'fiance' visa available. It is not called a fiance visa but you should be advised to apply, in advance of travelling, for a family visit visa stating that the visit is to get married. This is in effect a 'fiance' visa. If you enter on this visa you can apply immediately for residency after marriage and it will be much quicker.

Or you can enter on a tourist visa and then take the risk you will have to wait up to one year to get residency, stamp 4 and in the meantime you can't work or leave the country. They will only start assessing your application after marriage however if you apply for a visa and tell them you want to get married they will already have assessed the legitimacy of your relationship at that point, so after the marriage it is usually much more straight forward just to transfer your visa to spousal rather than apply from scratch for a totally different class of visa.

It is entirely up to you what you want to do but I am telling you out of personal experience the best thing to do is tell them you are coming here to get married. If I had been told this when we returned to Ireland my husband wouldn't have had to turn down 3 jobs and been unemployed with no rights to any social welfare for 9 months and it would have made the first year of our marriage much less stressful to know he wasn't possibly going to be refused permission to stay.

Your choice.

tatli_lokma

Also by the way, the website you keep quoting is not the INIS website so I wouldn't be inclined to rely upon info from there. The only place that can tell you definitively is INIS and I would recommend that if they tell you to come in on a tourist and then apply for spousal that you get it in writing. But you will still have to wait at least 5 months for spousal visa possibly up to a year. That can be avoided though so ask INIS how you would avoid that and they will tell you what I told you. Get it in writing also. Immigration officers can be fickle sorts so best to have proof of what you get told.

labelladejour

Little Ted wrote: »

You asked for advice. You got it. But it is not the advice you seem to be interested in.

I personally HAD THE SAME experience as you and read the same info as you. We were told by the Irish embassy that there was no such thing as a fiance visa but when the time came for us to advise INIS that we were married we were subjected to a long lecture from the immigration officer that my husband had entered under false presence and should have made it clear prior to travelling that his intent was to marry. It was only when we begged him to phone the Irish embassy in Ankara that he realised we were told there is no 'fiance' visa available. It is not called a fiance visa but you should be advised to apply, in advance of travelling, for a family visit visa stating that the visit is to get married. This is in effect a 'fiance' visa. If you enter on this visa you can apply immediately for residency after marriage and it will be much quicker.

Or you can enter on a tourist visa and then take the risk you will have to wait up to one year to get residency, stamp 4 and in the meantime you can't work or leave the country. They will only start assessing your application after marriage however if you apply for a visa and tell them you want to get married they will already have assessed the legitimacy of your relationship at that point, so after the marriage it is usually much more straight forward just to transfer your visa to spousal rather than apply from scratch for a totally different class of visa.

It is entirely up to you what you want to do but I am telling you out of personal experience the best thing to do is tell them you are coming here to get married. If I had been told this when we returned to Ireland my husband wouldn't have had to turn down 3 jobs and been unemployed with no rights to any social welfare for 9 months and it would have made the first year of our marriage much less stressful to know he wasn't possibly going to be refused permission to stay.

Your choice.

I really appreciate your help, but it's not that I am not taking your advice, It's because my situation is different than your husband's situation. I think you didn't understand this. He is from Turkey, so he needs to get a visa prior to travelling to Ireland. It's not my case. I am from Brazil and, and wether you like it or not, I don't need to request a visa prior to my trip... Even if I wanted to. According to the info I've got there's nothing else I can do except telling the officer at the passaport control that my intention is to come to the country to get married. But the only stamp he can give me is the tourist/visit one. I have even expalined to you how it works for Brazilians students, for example. Our visa situation is almost the same as the Australians, US citizens, Argentinians...Except they may get work holiday visa, and we don't. Anyway,Is it so hard for you to understand that? Citizens information told me the same thing. Irish embassy in Brazil too.
What I want to know is if anyone has been in a similar situation or know someone who is a non-visa required national (I've mentioned a list from DFA on a previous comment) and how it was to enter the country, what did the officers asked, if they gave the person a hard time. That's it. Thank you again.

tatli_lokma

labelladejour wrote: »

I really appreciate your help, but it's not that I am not taking your advice, It's because my situation is different than your husband's situation. I think you didn't understand this. He is from Turkey, so he needs to get a visa prior to travelling to Ireland. It's not my case. I am from Brazil and, and wether you like it or not, I don't need to request a visa prior to my trip... Even if I wanted to. According to the info I've got there's nothing else I can do except telling the officer at the passaport control that my intention is to come to the country to get married. But the only stamp he can give me is the tourist/visit one. I have even expalined to you how it works for Brazilians students, for example. Our visa situation is almost the same as the Australians, US citizens, Argentinians...Except they may get work holiday visa, and we don't. Anyway,Is it so hard for you to understand that? Citizens information told me the same thing. Irish embassy in Brazil too.
What I want to know is if anyone has been in a similar situation or know someone who is a non-visa required national (I've mentioned a list from DFA on a previous comment) and how it was to enter the country, what did the officers asked, if they gave the person a hard time. That's it. Thank you again.

By the way my friend's husband who is canadian and a non-visa required national applied in advance of travel to get married. Just because you DON'T HAVE TO get a visa in advance doesn't mean you can't get one if you wish. You don't have to get a visa as a tourist - you are not a tourist. What is so hard for YOU to understand? But you know what? I give up. Do what you want. I hope you have a nice wedding. Enjoy the wait for your spousal - its a great start to married life!

Riat

Hi BajaninCork,

Thanks for reply ,in your post you said I need to contract Italian Embassy,I didnt get this ,how Italian embassy would help me in this regard,please let me know.Thank you

ABajaninCork

Riat wrote: »

Hi BajaninCork,

Thanks for reply ,in your post you said I need to contract Italian Embassy,I didnt get this ,how Italian embassy would help me in this regard,please let me know.Thank you

Did you say your partner's Italian? That's why I suggested speaking to the Italian Embassy as well. Your fiance might be able to sponsor you. I don't know how this will work, if at all, but it's something to try if you get no joy from the Irish Embassy.

labelladejour

Little Ted wrote: »

By the way my friend's husband who is canadian and a non-visa required national applied in advance of travel to get married. Just because you DON'T HAVE TO get a visa in advance doesn't mean you can't get one if you wish. You don't have to get a visa as a tourist - you are not a tourist. What is so hard for YOU to understand? But you know what? I give up. Do what you want. I hope you have a nice wedding. Enjoy the wait for your spousal - its a great start to married life!

Dear Little Ted, again I appreciate your help and your wishes for my marriage. Today I've got the first reply of many emails I've sent . This one is a from a query made to the Department of Foreing Affairs . Please, read it.
You could ask your friend's husband what is it that he applied for in advance that I've no idea. I've already had everything else sorted out with the Registry office.
btw,The only thing I had to edit on the text below was my personal details.

"HQ-FOIWebmasterQueries@dfa.ie
07:05 (5 hours ago)

to me
Dear

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,

As a Brazilian passport holder, you do not require a visa to enter Ireland, but are required to seek leave to enter the State by reporting to an Immigration Officer at an Irish port of entry. The onus is on the individual to have all documentation relating to their reasons for entering Ireland for presentation to the Immigration Officer to gain entry. The Immigration Officer may grant leave to enter to a maximum period of three months. They may, depending on the documentation presented grant a lesser period that three months.

As you wish to remain in the State beyond the period granted by an Immigration Officer on arrival in the State, you will be required to obtain the permission of the Minister for Justice and Equality.

This can be done by reporting to the local Immigration Officer which is located at the Superintendent's Office, An Garda Síochána (Police) in the District in which you reside. In the Dublin area you must report to; The Garda National Immigration Bureau, 13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2.

This is a link to the GNIB website http://www.garda.ie/controller.aspx?page=31 and you can send any further queries you may have to that office.

Regards

Peter Downes
FOI and Coordination Unit


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I am writing regarding Non-Eu (non visa required) travelling to Ireland in order to get married. I am a Brazilian citizen and I am engaged to an Irish citizen. I am living in Brazil at the moment. We are having our wedding in Ireland and we intend to live in the country after getting married. We have everything sorted out, from Registry Office to reception venue. I lived in Ireland before as a student and I know that I don't have to get a visa prior to my travel (or is there any specific type of "prior" visa for my situation?) I would like to know how to proceed at the immigration (what documents should I provide, like letter from Registry Officer) and if there is any problem in changing my visa status or getting permission to remain in the State after the ceremony. A non-official source told me that there might be a problem when changing my visa status later because the State might say that I entered the country as tourist/to visit and It wasn't the truth(They may say
that I deceived the State). But, As far as I understand, the only visa I can get when entering the country in my situation is the visit isn't it? I am extremely confused and I couldn't find information about this specific situation from any official source. I am travelling in 8 weeks time.
Yours Sincerely,

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D3PO

labelladejour wrote: »

Dear Little Ted, again I appreciate your help and your wishes for my marriage. Today I've got the first reply of many emails I've sent . This one is a from a query made to the Department of Foreing Affairs . Please, read it.
You could ask your friend's husband what is it that he applied for in advance that I've no idea. I've already had everything else sorted out with the Registry office.
btw,The only thing I had to edit on the text below was my personal details.

"HQ-FOIWebmasterQueries@dfa.ie
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As a Brazilian passport holder, you do not require a visa to enter Ireland, but are required to seek leave to enter the State by reporting to an Immigration Officer at an Irish port of entry. The onus is on the individual to have all documentation relating to their reasons for entering Ireland for presentation to the Immigration Officer to gain entry. The Immigration Officer may grant leave to enter to a maximum period of three months. They may, depending on the documentation presented grant a lesser period that three months.

As you wish to remain in the State beyond the period granted by an Immigration Officer on arrival in the State, you will be required to obtain the permission of the Minister for Justice and Equality.

This can be done by reporting to the local Immigration Officer which is located at the Superintendent's Office, An Garda Síochána (Police) in the District in which you reside. In the Dublin area you must report to; The Garda National Immigration Bureau, 13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2.

This is a link to the GNIB website http://www.garda.ie/controller.aspx?page=31 and you can send any further queries you may have to that office.

Regards

Peter Downes
FOI and Coordination Unit


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Sent: 09 June 2013 02:28
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Subject: Feedback

Your comment or query*: Dear Sir/ Madam
I am writing regarding Non-Eu (non visa required) travelling to Ireland in order to get married. I am a Brazilian citizen and I am engaged to an Irish citizen. I am living in Brazil at the moment. We are having our wedding in Ireland and we intend to live in the country after getting married. We have everything sorted out, from Registry Office to reception venue. I lived in Ireland before as a student and I know that I don't have to get a visa prior to my travel (or is there any specific type of "prior" visa for my situation?) I would like to know how to proceed at the immigration (what documents should I provide, like letter from Registry Officer) and if there is any problem in changing my visa status or getting permission to remain in the State after the ceremony. A non-official source told me that there might be a problem when changing my visa status later because the State might say that I entered the country as tourist/to visit and It wasn't the truth(They may say
that I deceived the State). But, As far as I understand, the only visa I can get when entering the country in my situation is the visit isn't it? I am extremely confused and I couldn't find information about this specific situation from any official source. I am travelling in 8 weeks time.
Yours Sincerely,

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Your email address*:

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Does your query relate to a specific person or Office? Please indicate who it is for:: I am writing regarding Non-Eu (non visa required) travelling to Ireland in order to get married
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Your title:: Ms.
Your address:: Brazil
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seriously that's a copy paste email reply. I don't even think they have properly read your query and they most certainly haven't answered it in a detailed appropriate manner.

look you have been given advice on this thread including by somebody who's gone through the process of marriage in this country with a non EU citizen and are choosing to ignore it.

What the hell is the point of this thread ? Go do whatever you want, since your hell bent on doing it anyway.

P.S Your email to them doesn't even correct state you intentions. You don't say you intent to permanently live in Ireland nor do you say you will intend to work here. If you don't even ask the right questions in your email to official sources how the hell do you expect the right response.

seriously

labelladejour

D3PO wrote: »

seriously that's a copy paste email reply. I don't even think they have properly read your query and they most certainly haven't answered it in a detailed appropriate manner.

look you have been given advice on this thread including by somebody who's gone through the process of marriage in this country with a non EU citizen and are choosing to ignore it.

What the hell is the point of this thread ? Go do whatever you want, since your hell bent on doing it anyway.

P.S Your email to them doesn't even correct state you intentions. You don't say you intent to permanently live in Ireland nor do you say you will intend to work here. If you don't even ask the right questions in your email to official sources how the hell do you expect the right response.

seriously

I want someone to help me cause I am lost!!!! I've looked for advice. I've asked about this sort of visa little ted mentioned, been calling everywhere asked about it and being told the same. I would like to know what is it that her friend 's Canadian husband applied for prior to entering in Ireland cause I can't find it. I've contacted everywhere and this is the only reply I get. Why is it so hard? I've taken the advice, tried to find ifno about what I was told here and..Nothing. I've just spoke to my fiancce who contacted the INIS and he was told the same. That's the point of this thread. I've actually asked Little Ted to please tell what sort of application the Canadian made cause no one can inform about it to me in details. This is my point .

D3PO

labelladejour wrote: »

I want someone to help me cause I am lost!!!! I've looked for advice. I've asked about this sort of visa little ted mentioned, been calling everywhere asked about it and being told the same. I would like to know what is it that her friend 's Canadian husband applied for prior to entering in Ireland cause I can't find it. I've contacted everywhere and this is the only reply I get. Why is it so hard? I've taken the advice, tried to find ifno about what I was told here and..Nothing. I've just spoke to my fiancce who contacted the INIS and he was told the same. That's the point of this thread. I've actually asked Little Ted to please tell what sort of application the Canadian made cause no one can inform about it to me in details. This is my point .

Have you walked into your embassy ? Sending emails is all well and good but actually sitting down and speaking to somebody is the best way to get things sorted.

other than that if you go down the route you are thinking of (which honestly I have no idea if that is ok for not) make sure you have every email and every reply printed off and with you and a note of every phone call date , time and name of the people you have spoken to regarding this.

At least that way if you do end up going about it wrong you have all the detail you should need to put it right after the event.

January

Print off that email and when you land in Ireland show it to the person at Immigration. That's really your answer and as long as you have something to cover yourself you shouldn't be denied entry.

labelladejour

D3PO wrote: »

Have you walked into your embassy ? Sending emails is all well and good but actually sitting down and speaking to somebody is the best way to get things sorted.

other than that if you go down the route you are thinking of (which honestly I have no idea if that is ok for not) make sure you have every email and every reply printed off and with you and a note of every phone call date , time and name of the people you have spoken to regarding this.

At least that way if you do end up going about it wrong you have all the detail you should need to put it right after the event.

Thank you so much, really. I was already thinking of bringing the emails, but will take note of the calls as well. Unfortunately the Irish emabssy in Brazil is way to far away from where I live, like...Almost 900 km . . I've called them and they said they don't issue any kind of visa :S and told methe to contact the DFA and the INIS.
There is an Honorary Irish Consulate where I live. I went there a month ago and they told me to contact the Embassy, that they didn't have any info about it . They actually didn't even let me enter the office. I had to speak through a phone line outside of the building. Hopefully everything will be fine, as they can contact my fiancee and also his family. Getting married and planning a wedding from abroad is stressful,there are so many details to think of, plus taking into account immigration issues as well (yes, imagine, we have everything ready, paid for, including my wedding dress...And then they don't let me enter the country to even attend my own ceremony and wedding party). Dear Lord, why did I watch those passport control tv programmes when I was living in Ireland?:eek:

tatli_lokma

The point you seem to be missing is that, whilst yes you can potentially arrive at the boarder and say 'hello nice immigration officer can I come here to get married and then live' you are taking a chance. There are a few answers you might get:
1. Yes no problem in you come and best of luck
2. No, entry refused, return to Brazil on the next flight
3. Ok, you can come in for a week as I require proof of your relationship etc. In that week go to Burgh Quay and provide all your documents to them and a decision will be made if you can stay.

If you get option 3 you still run a 50/50 chance of getting the reply listed at 1 or 2 and getting an answer might take time.

If you wait until after marriage to have the legitimacy of your relationship examined you are in effect starting from scratch with your spousal visa and as a result it will take months to get an answer - during which time you cannot leave the country nor can you work.

However, if ypu apply in advance of travelling for a family visit visa (as my canadian friend did) or for a defacto (as I know of several people who have done) yhen prior to ever getting married INIS are already assessing your relationship. This means that when you DO get married the process is much quicker to get a spousal visa, and in some cases has literally only taken a few days as INIS just transfer thr visa type. If you apply for defacto and don't get it in time for your travel for the wedding then at least at the boarder you can tell them you have a defacto application pending. Which also means that INIS already have you in the system long before you have to present at Burgh Quay. This again will speed up the process.

So its your choice - rock up at the boarder and hope for the best, or do some planning in advance and reduce both the risk of being refused and the time it will take for a spousal. Although from your blatant disregard of previous advicr I won't be surprised if you go for the first one.:rolleyes:

I also question why in gods name you have booked the registry office and reception without fully understanding the visa implications?? Surely the visa would be the first thing you sort out? I know it was for us.

tatli_lokma

January wrote: »

Print off that email and when you land in Ireland show it to the person at Immigration. That's really your answer and as long as you have something to cover yourself you shouldn't be denied entry.

Being denied entry isn't really the issue - OP might not get granted the full 90 days is one consideration, and secondly by approaching it in the way they suggest they are just leaving themselves open for a longer wait after marriage. And why would you do that if it can be avoided?

Riat

Hi BajaninCork,

Thanks for reply,yes my partner is Italian,I will go with him and talk with Italian embassy,if I am applying De-facto ,how to proceed with this ,I need to fill out application and submit all documents required and where I need to post all the documents,on INIS website their is only address given to post and I am wondering how long it takes to proceed and when I need to start my application ,I want to start applying for De-facto one month before my visa is expiring as I am going through some things to done for documents required from family and friends ,I dont know how it will be working as I have shortage of one year when compare to De-facto but want to try for this , when visa is expiring and I am applying for this is also sounding very difficult for me as it may be become complicated to get approved too,do any body with less of one year has got this visa,we are trying to open joint account and my name will be given to lease agreement too but worried this will be working hope so.

Do anybody has idea how citizen information office will help me and it is good idea to go to GNIB office and ask my queries or call them.Having no idea and starting De -facto procedure is very difficult

tatli_lokma

Hi Riat,

have a look at this thread - lots of information and experiences on there regarding applying for defacto and the process and time it takes
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055870436

Riat

Hi Ted,

Thanks I will take a look the link

labelladejour

Hi. I am already in the country and everything went the way I was advised by the INIS by email, in case there's someone out there in the same situation as me.The immigration officer looked through my documents, asked me few questions, rang my fiancee and told me ( and also wrote it on my passaport and ) that I have to register for the spousal visa at our local GNIB after the wedding and he said that we won't find any problems, cause for Non-Eu citizens who don't need to get a prior visa to seek entry in the state the process take less than a week. He gave me 90 days to do it so.
Thank you all for the advice
I can't wait for the big day !

Tbone86

Hi there,

I have been reading the thread, its good to hear that everything is going well for you.

Myself and my partner are in a similar situation, we lived in Ireland for years before she returned to Brazil where I visited her on a few occasions, we decided to get married and have been doing research into the process.

We had decided to marry in Brazil and enter Ireland but upon researching the idea it was not convenient we would have to wait 30 days before getting married and I already took my holiday leave to visit her this year.

So we are looking into the idea of getting married here, Is it true it could take up to 4 months for a Brazilian birth certificate to be translated and certified?

We would greatly appreciate any other help or advice you could give us, our situations sound so similar

labelladejour

Tbone86, I've sent you a pm.

Regards

Tbone86 wrote: »

Hi there,

I have been reading the thread, its good to hear that everything is going well for you.

Myself and my partner are in a similar situation, we lived in Ireland for years before she returned to Brazil where I visited her on a few occasions, we decided to get married and have been doing research into the process.

We had decided to marry in Brazil and enter Ireland but upon researching the idea it was not convenient we would have to wait 30 days before getting married and I already took my holiday leave to visit her this year.

So we are looking into the idea of getting married here, Is it true it could take up to 4 months for a Brazilian birth certificate to be translated and certified?

We would greatly appreciate any other help or advice you could give us, our situations sound so similar

labelladejour

Again, just an update for people who is in the same situation as me .
I've got Married last Friday. Everything was perfect: great civil ceremony and awesome reception. I'm very happy. Family members and friends who came from Brazil and other non-eu countries didn't have any problem to enter the state.
Also, there were no problems in getting my permission to remain in the state... My Husband and I presented our passaports, marriage certificate and a proof of adress. As he is Irish we didn't have to pay the 300 euros for the GNIB card and it was issued in minutes.
We are so happy that now we will be able to move on with our lives together

I just wanted to say a big thank you to all the pessimistic people out there who really don't know what they are talking about.


PS: When giving advice, think twice, think if you really know what you are talking about.

labelladejour wrote: »

Hi. I am already in the country and everything went the way I was advised by the INIS by email, in case there's someone out there in the same situation as me.The immigration officer looked through my documents, asked me few questions, rang my fiancee and told me ( and also wrote it on my passaport and ) that I have to register for the spousal visa at our local GNIB after the wedding and he said that we won't find any problems, cause for Non-Eu citizens who don't need to get a prior visa to seek entry in the state the process take less than a week. He gave me 90 days to do it so.
Thank you all for the advice
I can't wait for the big day !

ABajaninCork

I'm very happy for you that it worked out, and wish you all the very best in your new life. But there's no need for the nastiness. It's not a good look...

labelladejour

Thank you

Tbone86

Thanks for all the info and help, everything went fine and was a lot simpler then I thought it would be. I meet with the civil registration office and set a date of marriage and she applied through postal application. At the airport she had all the relevant documents, return ticket, my address and phone number etc. She told them she intended to get married here, she was told to report to immigration which we did. We told the immigration guy our plans on getting married and he was kind enough to give us an extra month on the tourist visa just so we had enough time to sort things out after the marriage. We got married and got the GNIB with stamp 4 the same week.

Like you said, now we can get on with enjoying our lives together.

This can be a stressful ordeal for any couple, but if you do your research and be honest everything should be alright.

almorris

Hi all. You could try the Immigrant Council of Ireland. Non profit organization. Have always gotten good advice there

http://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/

labelladejour

Hi Tbone
it is great to hear that everything went well. I wish you two a happy life together

jpd55

Hi there! I was wondering if you could give me some advice as I am in the same boat. I am a non-eu citizen who does not require a visa to enter the country (I am Canadian). I am also marrying an Irish citizen. I just wanted to know, what documentation did you have to bring with you when you went through the border?? I am so confused on everything haha! It's so stressful, just need a little guidance. I know the post it really late but any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!

labelladejour wrote: »

Again, just an update for people who is in the same situation as me .
I've got Married last Friday. Everything was perfect: great civil ceremony and awesome reception. I'm very happy. Family members and friends who came from Brazil and other non-eu countries didn't have any problem to enter the state.
Also, there were no problems in getting my permission to remain in the state... My Husband and I presented our passaports, marriage certificate and a proof of adress. As he is Irish we didn't have to pay the 300 euros for the GNIB card and it was issued in minutes.
We are so happy that now we will be able to move on with our lives together

I just wanted to say a big thank you to all the pessimistic people out there who really don't know what they are talking about.


PS: When giving advice, think twice, think if you really know what you are talking about.

labelladejour

Hi There, I am going to send you a PM

jpd55

Thank you so much!!!

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Mondwe

Hi,
I just married to an Irish lady, citizen this year,unfortunately I married her when my student visa had already finished.I went to immigration and I was told to write to justice to seek a permission.I wrote a letter and now its almost a month haven't heard from them.I have been sending emails too .Wanted to know how long it will take for them to respond or what can I do next ?

Mondwe

Hi,
I just married to an Irish lady, citizen this year,unfortunately I married her when my student visa had already finished.I went to immigration and I was told to write to justice to seek a permission.I wrote a letter and now its almost a month haven't heard from them.I have been sending emails too .Wanted to know how long it will take for them to respond or what can I do next ?

Faith

Mod note: this forum isn't the correct place for legal questions. Mondwe, I have moved your other thread to the Legal Discussion forum and I am locking this old thread.