Andy Lee vs Sean o brien

sxt

An elite 12 stone boxer vs an elite 18 stone rugby player in a boxing match. What would happen?

J.Garfield

sxt wrote: »

An elite 12 stone boxer vs an elite 18 stone rugby player in a boxing match. What would happen?

Any opinions yourself??

The boxer would obviously win it's not really questionable.

sxt

If Sean o Brien was giving a 6 week training course with the McGuigans like flintoff, then I'd favour a world class Athlete like Sean o Brien..

efb

Ffs

helimachoptor

Bod would win

helimachoptor

helimachoptor wrote: »

Bod would win

That was sarcasm !

sxt

What do you think would happen Irelands most gifted and talented and strongest toughest 18 stone athlete , was to box one of Irelands most gifted boxers who is 12 stone.?.. Any opinions? Would Lee knock him out early?

FTA69

Load of ridiculous nonsense.

sxt

FTA69 wrote: »

Load of ridiculous nonsense.

Sean o Brien is Irelands most strongest and talented athlete, he could have chosen to be a boxer and been great at it if he wanted to be. He is an elite athlete, who has elite mental and physical prowess. He is a genuine hard nut, not some uncoordinated 18 stone accountant..his job in life is to quickly pounce on smaller players and flatten them

What do you think would happen?

Jimmy Iovine

Andy Lee would lay him out. That rugby nonsense would only get him about 30 seconds in the ring with Lee. Spark job. Goodnight Irene.

heyheyhey1982

Lee would knock him out as he'd be way too quick. In fact I reckon any half decent amateur boxer with decent speed and power would finish it quick.

Henno30

Lee would finish him inside a minute. This is a world class fighter you're talking about.

For a frame of reference, here's a unknown Korean guy fighting a US soldier using just one of his hands:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il0jyoMQFHA

sxt

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Andy Lee would lay him out. That rugby nonsense would only get him about 30 seconds in the ring with Lee. Spark job. Goodnight Irene.

By a guy that's been used to being hit in the face at full speed with the hips, knees, elbows of 15 - 20 stone men all day long... He is trained and expected to get up immediately and do it all over again and does do it every time.

sxt

heyheyhey1982 wrote: »

Lee would knock him out as he'd be way too quick. In fact I reckon any half decent amateur boxer with decent speed and power would finish it quick.

That's fair enough if he's swinging hail Mary's, but he would be covering up and walking down/stalking his opponent waiting for the one opportunity. That would be his one and only tactic

Jimmy Iovine

sxt wrote: »

By a guy that's been used to being hit in the face at full speed with the hips, knees, elbows of 15 - 20 stone men all day long... He is trained and expected to get up immediately and do it all over again and does do it every time.

O'Brien trains by running into pads. Lee trains by punching raw meat.

Only one winner for me.

cfc.forever

Erm Andy Lee would win.. as Andy Lee is the fighter and the rugby player is the one who plays rugby? I don't get the thread anyhow.. I'll go along with it.

Big Ears

If Sean O'Brien could beat Andy lee after 6 weeks training, despite the fact it's Middleweight vs Heavyweight, then he really should change career because he could probably earn more as a boxer than as a top level Rugby player.

Paul O'Connell is a big, strong guy and yet he looked pathetic on the boxing bag during a documentary on the Irish rugby team before. This really is a ridiculous topic unless O'Brien has actually had more boxing experience than we're aware of.

J.Garfield

Big Ears wrote: »

If Sean O'Brien could beat Andy lee after 6 weeks training, despite the fact it's Middleweight vs Heavyweight, then he really should change career because he could probably earn more as a boxer than as a top level Rugby player.

Paul O'Connell is a big, strong guy and yet he looked pathetic on the boxing bag during a documentary on the Irish rugby team before. This really is a ridiculous topic unless O'Brien has actually had more boxing experience than we're aware of.

It's just plain ignorance tbh.

sxt

cfc.forever wrote: »

Erm Andy Lee would win.. as Andy Lee is the fighter and the rugby player is the one who plays rugby? I don't get the thread anyhow.. I'll go along with it.

Sean o Brien is a freak. He has unnatural explosive power and speed, natural talent and athleticsm. He is one of the most mentally and physically talented sports persons in Europe. He is 70 - 80 ilbs heavier. He is not some random punter, if he was given 6 weeks training, his one dimensional tactics and power would be too much

J.Garfield

sxt wrote: »

Sean o Brien is a freak. He has unnatural explosive power and speed, natural talent and athleticsm. He is one of the most mentally and physically talented sports persons in Europe. He is 70 - 80 ilbs heavier. He is not some random punter, if he was given 6 weeks training, his power would be too much

That's all well and good but what boxing experience has he got? As he's in a boxing ring with a world class fighter do you not think that would come into play at all??

sxt

J.Garfield wrote: »

It's just plain ignorance tbh.[ athlete than Paul 0 Connell.

What do you think would happen?

J.Garfield

sxt wrote: »

J.Garfield wrote: »

It's just plain ignorance tbh.[ athlete than Paul 0 Connell. If

sxt

J.Garfield wrote: »

That's all well and good but what boxing experience has he got? As he's in a boxing ring with a world class fighter do you not think that would come into play at all??

Of course, he is up against, he has only one way of winning. Keeping your guard and using your natural talent to create your opportunity. Lee is not going to knock a freak like o Brien out. He may make him look silly and break his heart , but if o Brien was given any proper ring nuances, he would get at least one real opportunity

gene_tunney

lol

It's quite obvious in this topic to see who has actually boxed and who hasn't.

J.Garfield

sxt wrote: »

Of course, he is up against, he has only one way of winning. Keeping your guard and using your natural talent to create your opportunity. The way kiko beat dunne. Lee is not going to knock a freak like o Brien out. He may make him look silly and break his heart , but if o Brien was given any proper ring nuances, he would get at least one real opportunity

Ah sure I suppose if that's what you believe that's what you believe. I couldn't really be arsed getting into a big discussion about it. It's all fairly silly tbh.

sxt

J.Garfield wrote: »

Ah sure I suppose if that's what you believe that's what you believe. I couldn't really be arsed getting into a big discussion about it. It's all fairly silly tbh.

It won't be silly if social media latches on to this topic, and this fight takes place

J.Garfield

sxt wrote: »

It won't be silly if social media latches on to this topic, and this fight takes place

:pac::pac::pac:

Strongbow10

sxt wrote: »

It won't be silly if social media latches on to this topic, and this fight takes place

i've come to the conclusion that sxt is actually Sean O'Brien.

And I'm guessing you caught Andy Lee in bed with your missus

Some funny posts in there tonight, good for an auld laugh anyway.

Sean O'Brien may have a chin of glass for all you know, there are some tough nuts out there who cannot take a shot at all. Sure he can be a warrior or a battering ram on the rugby pitch, he is excellent at what he does. Getting cracked accuratey on the chin does funny things to you though, and it doesn't occur often on the rugby pitch that often and when it does its not often the most technically sound or precise punch is it?

But he would be outboxed with absolute ease, and it doesn't take a murderous powerful punch to KO a big bloke, rather a well timed perfectly placed one. Which is what Lee would be able to do baring in mind his defence would be vastly superior and he would telegraph whatever Sean O'Brien was throwing probably a week beforehand. You do not learn proper basics in 6 weeks, let alone be able to beat a professional boxer with significant amateur experience.

Now the question is, would a pro boxer be able to score more tries on the wing than Tommy Bowe??

alphamule

if you are being serious then you are a prime example of why I lose faith in humanity.

I cant remember the last time obrien scored a try for starters, not very super human. In a boxing match he would be required to stand in front of a highly tuned fighter. Without a shadow of a doubt obrien would be knocked out.

After six weeks of training he would be able to throw a few basic combinations, not compete with a world class fighter.
Size means **** all, id be half obriens size and know for a fact I could hurt him.

AngeGal

sxt wrote: »

It won't be silly if social media latches on to this topic, and this fight takes place

Ha.

I doubt S'OB is crazy enough to think he would stand a chance.

Flintoff was fighting a guy hardly worthy of the 'professional' tag.

Lee is a world class boxer. S'OB could train for six years and he still wouldn't have a chance.

Lelantos

Andy would lay him out inside 2 rounds, I'd feel sorry for SOB if he was ever dumb enough to step into the ring with him

FTA69

Look the basic premise of the question is stupid, it's like asking who'd be better between Wayne Rooney and Brian O'Driscoll in a one-on-one basketball game. At the elite level of sports there can be very little crossover, especially for something as specific and learned as boxing. If Sean O'Brien started boxing at age 8 then yes, he may well have been a fantastic heavyweight; but he didn't and he couldn't learn to box adequately in 6 weeks. He may be able to compete in the local novice ABAs at super-heavyweight, but he'd be annihilated against any elite professional.

And the reason I know this is because I'm speaking from experience, I used to work as a doorman and most of the lads I worked with were rugby heads who decided to do some charity boxing lark. A few of them came down to my gym and guess what? They were all sh*t. As you'd expect to them be like, they'd never done it before. And when they sparred they were even sh*tter again. While I found it extremely difficult to spar fellas who out-weighed me by 4 stone I still landed jabs, body shots and combination pretty much at will. And I was a third-rate novice amateur.

Never mind what the likes of Andy Lee would do in the ring.

I've also seen giant lumps going 100% getting disassembled in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu by someone with a lot more experience.

A severe skill deficit and level of experience in martial arts will always win out.

gene_tunney

FTA69 wrote: »

Look the basic premise of the question is stupid, it's like asking who'd be better between Wayne Rooney and Brian O'Driscoll in a one-on-one basketball game.

No. It's like asking who'd win between Rooney and O'Driscoll in a rugby match.

FTA69

"But Rooney's really conditioned and fast and agile......!"

It's all retarded.

Frankie Lee

A tougher question is who would win between Andy Lee and Sonny Bill Williams? I'd still reckon Lee as an elite middleweight should have the beating of a limited heavyweight but it would be a closer fight than the op's fight.

T-K-O

Some **** fest in here over Sean O'Brien - Dont get me wrong I like the guy but he's not beating a pro boxer. 6 weeks training with Barry like Flinttof? ya having a laugh

Is that serious, Freddie looked every bit the novice in that fight. He was lucky the matchmaker did his job

walshb

sxt wrote: »

An elite 12 stone boxer vs an elite 18 stone rugby player in a boxing match. What would happen?

sxt, you're not one of these guys who thinks that Bruce Lee was the greatest fighter on earth?

FTA69

I just had a really original thought; who'd win in a fight between Bruce Lee and Muhammad Ali?

walshb

FTA69 wrote: »

I just had a really original thought; who'd win in a fight between Bruce Lee and Muhammad Ali?

Lee by quick kick between the legs.

FTA69

Sure all you have to do to win a fight is kick someone in the balls/knee. Size is entirely irrelevant. I know from vast experience of watching Jet Li films.

Lelantos

FTA69 wrote: »

I just had a really original thought; who'd win in a fight between Bruce Lee and Muhammad Ali?

Lee's dead, so I think shakey Ali could still take him

efb

What about Spike Lee and Prince Ali?

FTA69

Steven Seagal would corrip the pair of them.

walshb

FTA69 wrote: »

Sure all you have to do to win a fight is kick someone in the balls/knee. Size is entirely irrelevant. I know from vast experience of watching Jet Li films.

Or if you're Indiana Jones you just shoot them!

BTW, I was and I am a huge Bruce Lee fan. But once I turned about 12 or so I realized it was all Hollywood. He's a bit like Santa Claus. As martial arts actors go, he was the best!

crockholm

Missed the fight,who won ?

Lelantos

crockholm wrote: »

Missed the fight,who won ?

O'Brien was disqualified, Cian Healy bit Lee as he was doing his ringwalk

crockholm

Lelantos wrote: »

O'Brien was disqualified, Cian Healy bit Lee as he was doing his ringwalk

I'll have a chat with bob arum,see if we can change the result,gotta keep the nonsense alive:D

Brad Goodman

Andy Lee regularly sparred with biggest and best heavyweight on the planet. How anyone could think a rugby player with 6 weeks training would have a hope of beating him is beyond me.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2010/1208/273949-leea/

J.Garfield

Brad Goodman wrote: »

Andy Lee regularly sparred with biggest and best heavyweight on the planet. How anyone could think a rugby player with 6 weeks training would have a hope of beating him is beyond me.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2010/1208/273949-leea/

Ahh sure look.... fools are fools!!!

crockholm

But thats why the whole thing is being treated as a joke,because it is,I doubt O'Brien could even get his footwork right in 6 weeks,not to mind anything else.His arms would be too stiff and lack fluidity to land a jab.

Either someone having a laugh or a lad with a bad man-crush on said rugby player.

Apples and oranges (with a few nuts too)

Daroxtar

Just for a bit of comparison....
6'5", 23 stone, former Chicago Bears and Minnesota Vikings professional american footballer.
A freak of a man used to battering into guys and taking them down.
Also trained in Wrestling, Ju Jitsu and Kick boxing.
Lest see what happens when elite martial artists make contact with the big man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xhQzGCOeyk