G8 Arrivals

Fuseman

Does anyone know if the G8 summit will bring back Air Force 1 to Dublin Airport? I know Obama's wife and kids are due to stay in Dublin. Maybe they will fly into Belfast International and chopper around then?

jamo2oo9

I read somewhere on Twitter that AF1 will land in Belfast and Obama will be choppered to Fernmanagh. Not sure about the family. There is a huge restriction on traffic around Belfast and Knock apparently to cope with the arrivals.

owenc

Id like to hope theyd be coming up here thanks very much. The g8 is here after all. Im actually flying out a day or two after and Easyjet sent us an email warning about delays.

yew_tree

Can anyone confirm if Knock is being used for G8 arrivals? But then again I suppose that's something we are not meant to know.

jamo2oo9

I've heard that some will be going to Knock but mostly to Belfast due to runway and parking capacity. You should expect some G8 arrivals there but you might not be able to see it with high security.

yew_tree

Would love to see AF1 land in Knock even though that's not going to happen I know. Runway is long enough anyway

owenc

Why would they goto Knock? Erm the g8 is in NORTHERN IRELAND

urajoke

owenc wrote: »

Why would they goto Knock? Erm the g8 is in NORTHERN IRELAND

Whats the closest airport to the summit, including road transit time etc ?

It's an option, if you did your research first you would know that a good number of delegate countries have booked accommodation in the south for the G8.

Can Aldergrove handle that many large aircraft at any one time ?

owenc

Are you foreal? Belfast international is far bigger than Knock.

Tenger

owenc wrote: »

Are you foreal? Belfast international is far bigger than Knock.

Qwenc's NI vs ROI chip raises it head again.

Its not about size. Its about security concerns.

BFS is a busy airport, lots of VIP arrivals may impede normal ops. NOC is a quiet airport in the middle of no-where that would allow pretty much total control to the security operation. In addition NOC is closer to the G8 summit than BFS.
Less traffic (aircraft, vehicular, pedestrian) makes it easier to control the security zone.

I was in Chicago last year for the Afghan security summit. ORD is one of the worlds largest airports....what a freaking mess ORD was for those 3 days.

yew_tree

I wouldn't call Knock Airport "the middle of nowhere" but compared to Belfast its rural and probably alot easier to police. Will be interesting to see if any G8 leader's aircraft actually land in Knock.

Oscar Bravo

Japanese Airforce B747 on finals at Belfast(BFS) now.

Oscar Bravo

Looks like a go around!!

donvito99

Tenger wrote: »

Qwenc's NI vs ROI chip raises it head again.

The real question is, why doesn't BFS have as many Tatl services as SNN?

Tenger

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

Looks like a go around!!

Thats' a bit embarassing

owenc

Well it looks like theyll be coming here too.

N7777G

Tenger wrote: »

Thats' a bit embarassing

On first contact with Belfast approach he requested two ILS approaches to runway 25 - after all it was doing a test run for next month's summit.

markpb

urajoke wrote: »

Whats the closest airport to the summit, including road transit time etc ?

It would have to be St Angelos :-)

urajoke

owenc wrote: »

Are you foreal? Belfast international is far bigger than Knock.

It's got nothing to with size. When POTUS comes he comes with 4-5 heavy aircraft at once. When Putin travels he takes more aircraft recently to Amsterdam he took 8-9 aircraft now go through everyone else. My point is can Aldergrove handle all those aircraft and park them securely. The answer is no they will need to be spread out. That's my point.

owenc

I didnt think about that. What do they need 9 planes for?

Peregrine

owenc wrote: »

I didnt think about that. What do they need 9 planes for?

Head of state, ministers, family, military officials, advisers, security team, intelligence officials, press etc.

Maybe 9 is a bit too much

owenc

Yea. I dont understand why they cant put them in one plane. Im going to be flyin out on the 15th will there be any then?

EI-DOR

3 or 4 C-17s carrying the Helicopters for a start!

yew_tree

yew_tree wrote: »

Can anyone confirm if Knock is being used for G8 arrivals? But then again I suppose that's something we are not meant to know.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=83974289

This has been discussed at the transport committee.

http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas....J2012120500012

[Deputy John O'Mahony: ] That would be ironic, from the point of view of what has been stated about membership of the trust and board being on a voluntary basis, given current discussion around membership of boards, fees, money wastage and so on. Reference has been made to the report outlining the potential for 500 jobs. As stated, that report was published in 2010. Obviously it is not only this Government that has not engaged or rolled out any potential in this regard. I would welcome a response from the witnesses on that issue.

I was interested in Mr. Gilmore's comment in regard to the width and length of the airstrip in Knock. I note that the G8 summit in June is to be held in Fermanagh, which is approximately 60 or 70 miles from Knock. Obviously, other airports will be involved. I heard by way of conversation last week that 5,000 journalists will be working on that summit and that one television station

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Chairman: Are they coming in to Knock airport?

Deputy John O'Mahony:

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has block booked a hotel in Donegal. Is the Knock airport airstrip big enough for Air Force One?

Chairman: We must conclude questions at this point.

Senator Paschal Mooney: Money will also be needed for work on the N16 to ensure their speedy passage through Sligo to Enniskillen.

Mr. Liam Scollan: The answer to the Deputy's question is, "Yes, it is." As we stated earlier, we do not wish to become embroiled in a political battle on this issue. The focus for us is Knock airport and the Knock region. The Deputy is correct that the report was commissioned under the previous coalition, led by Fianna Fáil. In fairness, it was not activated under that Administration.

Deputy Dara Calleary: When was the final draft agreed and delivered?

Mr. Liam Scollan: In late 2010. I am stating facts. It is up to members to make excuses or clarify issues. I am just saying it was not activated.

Chairman: Is the airport being used for the G8 summit?

Mr. Joe Gilmore: There is full capability at the airport to land any aircraft. We would like to facilitate the summit. However, that is a matter for the two Governments.

MACHEAD

owenc wrote: »

Are you foreal? Belfast international is far bigger than Knock.

I think you'll find the runway at Knock (officialy 'Ireland West'), is one of the longest in these islands.

owenc

Belfast is longer at 9,121 feet. Only Shannon is longer.

Tenger

owenc wrote: »

Yea. I dont understand why they cant put them in one plane. Im going to be flyin out on the 15th will there be any then?

Too risky to carry so many important people in 1 aircraft. Look at the Polish Govt Tu-154 crash about 3 years ago.

As stated above, all those aircraft may not be on the ground at the same time. But lets look at the US contingent....2-3 C-5's to carry helicopters and limo's. Another C-17/C-5 to carry in the ground security team. Then the arrival of the Pres....VC-25 plus a B757 (using the DUB visit as an estimate). Then that same number to remove the equipment after the visit.

Now multiple that by 4 and you get a rough number of aircraft that need security and space on the airfield ramp. (I am assuming that the others would not have the logistical train that the US have.......maybe Russia will try to match dicks with the US?)

On that last point...Russia should charter the AN-225 just to make a point...park it beside the C-5 and laugh.....

MACHEAD wrote: »

I think you'll find the runway at Knock (officialy 'Ireland West'), is one of the longest in these islands.

Apparently others like to compare penis size too!!!

roundymac

Tenger wrote: »

Apparently others like to compare penis size too!!!

Cork's is slightly shorter but it has great quality and gets plenty of use, that's all that matters.By the way I am talking about runway length.:P

urajoke

roundymac wrote: »

Cork's is slightly shorter but it has great quality and gets plenty of use, that's all that matters.By the way I am talking about runway length.:P

More use than Shannon's;)

owenc

Tenger wrote: »

Too risky to carry so many important people in 1 aircraft. Look at the Polish Govt Tu-154 crash about 3 years ago.

As stated above, all those aircraft may not be on the ground at the same time. But lets look at the US contingent....2-3 C-5's to carry helicopters and limo's. Another C-17/C-5 to carry in the ground security team. Then the arrival of the Pres....VC-25 plus a B757 (using the DUB visit as an estimate). Then that same number to remove the equipment after the visit.

Now multiple that by 4 and you get a rough number of aircraft that need security and space on the airfield ramp. (I am assuming that the others would not have the logistical train that the US have.......maybe Russia will try to match dicks with the US?)

On that last point...Russia should charter the AN-225 just to make a point...park it beside the C-5 and laugh.....



Apparently others like to compare penis size too!!!

Ok thank you.

eastmayo

Just heard today that there will be a.boeing 767 comeing in to knock from the states for the g8...carrying foxnews cnn and other media people.and will be parked in cargo apron for few days.

donvito99

eastmayo wrote: »

foxnews

Tell them to feck off for me.

Frank Jnr

eastmayo wrote: »

Just heard today that there will be a.boeing 767 comeing in to knock from the states for the g8...carrying foxnews cnn and other media people.and will be parked in cargo apron for few days.

Any idea when it arrives?

eastmayo

Not yet..will let ya no.

sparrowcar

Up in Irvinestown at a wedding and a private something or other came in low over us heading into St Angelo's. Fairly decent police/security presence here already.

LoonyLovegood

Would there be a chance of people being able to see whatever planes would come into Knock for the G8? A 767 would be a rare sight there (if there's ever been one there!)

CTYIgirl

CTYIgirl wrote: »

Would there be a chance of people being able to see whatever planes would come into Knock for the G8? A 767 would be a rare sight there (if there's ever been one there!)

I have seen a few 747s land there over the years.

eastmayo

Ya i have seen about four 747s in knock over the years.there has been 767s in knock befour.

eastmayo

Frank Jnr wrote: »

Any idea when it arrives?

It is due in next saturday.dont have time yet.

westdub

7 HH-60s arrived into Aldegrove today about 1ish so expect some training flights in the next week. perhaps including a trip down to DUB if they are going to bring the first lady down for her visit...
Will be interesting to see the arrivals next weekend...:D

Frank Jnr

eastmayo wrote: »

It is due in next saturday.dont have time yet.

Thanks!

foxmike

il-76 due in to Dublin tomorrow,2 C-17 due Saturday morning 10:15 and 10:30 also Japanese 747 in Wednesday.

Technoprisoner

foxmike wrote: »

il-76 due in to Dublin tomorrow,2 C-17 due Saturday morning 10:15 and 10:30 also Japanese 747 in Wednesday.

all to Dublin?

foxmike

yes also usaf 757 in Wednesday or Thursday

Frank Jnr

foxmike wrote: »

il-76 due in to Dublin tomorrow,2 C-17 due Saturday morning 10:15 and 10:30 also Japanese 747 in Wednesday.

Have you any idea what the times of the Il-76 are?

foxmike

not too sure yet will find out more in the morning.

Frank Jnr

Thanks. I'll bring the camera to work just in case I can make it to the airport.

madzers

Any updates for a time on the il-76

sparrowcar

madzers wrote: »

Any updates for a time on the il-76

1600 at the moment. Will be parked on taxiway 1 over near the forest road. Coming into stand 110C. Flight no SIG104/ call sign TTF9071 from LDY

madzers

sparrowcar wrote: »

1600 at the moment. Will be parked on taxiway 1 over near the forest road. Coming into stand 110C. Flight no SIG104/ call sign TTF9071 from LDY

Thanks for that Sparrowcar

westdub

sparrowcar wrote: »

1600 at the moment. Will be parked on taxiway 1 over near the forest road. Coming into stand 110C. Flight no SIG104/ call sign TTF9071 from LDY

any time for departure as I cant make the arrival...: