Hello Mary Lou, goodbye credibility...

daveyeh

Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald has admitted she has decided to pay the controversial property tax — despite asking families to oppose the new levy.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mcdonald-will-pay-property-tax-she-opposes-232538.html

:pac::pac:

Mr Benevolent

You've ruined the song now. What next? Lucy in the Skies with Fiscal Responsibility? PokerEUTreatyOnAnimalRightsFace?

Cody Pomeray

daveyeh wrote: »

Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald has admitted she has decided to pay the controversial property tax — despite asking families to oppose the new levy.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mcdonald-will-pay-property-tax-she-opposes-232538.html

:pac::pac:

No hypocrisy here, she's no longer calling on people not to pay the tax; clearly she's formed an opinion that the protest in its previous form is over:

The SF deputy leader said she had told constituents it was not a question of ‘won’t pay’ but rather ‘can’t pay’ now at this stage for many families.

Shenshen

daveyeh wrote: »

Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald has admitted she has decided to pay the controversial property tax — despite asking families to oppose the new levy.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mcdonald-will-pay-property-tax-she-opposes-232538.html

:pac::pac:

I hope they make it a little easier for her than they did for us.

Never got any letter, so we had to try and make our way through their website in order to pay - and I have to say that has to be one of the worst, least helpful and most ridiculous websites I've ever been on.
It took us well over 2 hours to get everything sorted and be allowed to pay.

brandon_flowers

She's just a nettle on a dung heap now.

Eoghan Harris and his fragrant flower have long since died.

Gummy Panda

Damn! I thought she was going to start doing porn

Shenshen

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

You've ruined the song now. What next? Lucy in the Skies with Fiscal Responsibility? PokerEUTreatyOnAnimalRightsFace?

Sympathy with Fianna Fail?

CardBordWindow

I'm surprised.......that people are surprised by this!

munchkin_utd

CardBordWindow wrote: »

I'm surprised.......that people are surprised by this!

shock horror

TD follows the law as passed by the Parliament elected by the nation british and irish residents of the 26 counties!

Mr Benevolent

Shenshen wrote: »

Sympathy with Fianna Fail?

How did you come to that conclusion? You're seeing things that aren't there.

Shenshen

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

How did you come to that conclusion? You're seeing things that aren't there.

What, song titles?

Mr Benevolent

Shenshen wrote: »

What, song titles?

Never mind. If you feel the need to analyse jokes and extract their nonexistent political meaning then you must be German.

Cody Pomeray

I think s/he was making a reference to Sympathy for the Devil, the stones song

Donnielighto

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Never mind. If you feel the need to analyse jokes and extract their nonexistent political meaning then you must be German.

Pretty sure that it was a joke and thats all. certainly a better pun than the pokeruohuwuheeuefouface one

mathie

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Damn! I thought she was going to start doing porn

Hello again breakfast.

qwerty93

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Damn! I thought she was going to start doing porn

I really am bamboozled by the amount of people that find her attractive

Cienciano

qwerty93 wrote: »

I really am bamboozled by the amount of people that find her attractive

How can you not get aroused by this http://www.anphoblacht.com/files/old-images/2008/06/19/Mary-Lou-McDonald-pg10.jpg
or this
http://s2.jrnl.ie/media/2012/05/PA-13441366-390x285.jpg

I remember in one election, the posters had her looking like a model. Then I saw her being interviewed on tv. Election posters are like beer goggles

anncoates

qwerty93 wrote: »

I really am bamboozled by the amount of people that find her attractive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_fetishism

mathie

Cienciano wrote: »

How can you not get aroused by this http://www.anphoblacht.com/files/old-images/2008/06/19/Mary-Lou-McDonald-pg10.jpg
or this
http://s2.jrnl.ie/media/2012/05/PA-13441366-390x285.jpg

By opening my eyes.

dark crystal

anncoates wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_fetishism

Mary Lou McDonald is hardly fat.

WilyCoyote

Let's hear it for the property tax Madness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwIe_sjKeAY

(terms and conditions apply)

Cody Pomeray

dark crystal wrote: »

Mary Lou McDonald is hardly fat.

I don't want to be cruel, but.... there is photographic evidence....

ben.schlomo

dark crystal wrote: »

Mary Lou McDonald is hardly fat.

Big boned, low metabolism, etc etc, basically it all ends up as fat no matter how you mask it.

Davidth88

I imagine she will find some way to put down as expences , so we will end up paying it for her.

Zebra3

daveyeh wrote: »

Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald has admitted she has decided to pay the controversial property tax — despite asking families to oppose the new levy.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mcdonald-will-pay-property-tax-she-opposes-232538.html

:pac::pac:

Convenient new thread on the day Alan Shatter finds himself under even more pressure.

Conmaicne Mara

Won't do her a bit of harm. Irish people are hypocrites by nature. Look at O'Cuiv and which ever European referendum, he was telling people to vote one way and he vote the other.

Lando Griffin

Shenshen wrote: »

I hope they make it a little easier for her than they did for us.

Never got any letter, so we had to try and make our way through their website in order to pay - and I have to say that has to be one of the worst, least helpful and most ridiculous websites I've ever been on.
It took us well over 2 hours to get everything sorted and be allowed to pay.

It only took me 20 minutes to do my 5 houses.

Son Of A Vidic

Zebra3 wrote: »

Convenient new thread on the day Alan Shatter finds himself under even more pressure.

No doubt he's reading your file right now.

theholyghost

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I think s/he was making a reference to Sympathy for the Devil, the stones song

I think the title is clearly a reference to the Ricky Nelson song.

Sergeant

Zebra3 wrote: »

Convenient new thread on the day Alan Shatter finds himself under even more pressure.

Yes, I agree. We should only discuss one issue at a time, and avoid talking about anything else - especially if it involves the true Sons and Daughters of Róisín in Sinn Fein.

goose2005

I really can't fathom why the far-left are all so staunchly opposed to a tax on assets, while the right-wing government struggle to bring it in. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

--Kaiser--

I never would have associated Mary Lou McDonald or Sinn Fein with credibility

daveyeh

goose2005 wrote: »

I really can't fathom why the far-left are all so staunchly opposed to a tax on assets, while the right-wing government struggle to bring it in. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Yes, that would make sense!

snubbleste

Don't politicians require a tax clearance certificate from now on?
Therefore if you are elected but have not paid your taxes, you will be barred..

Zebra3

goose2005 wrote: »

I really can't fathom why the far-left are all so staunchly opposed to a tax on assets, while the right-wing government struggle to bring it in. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Living in a house up to a certain size is not seen as an asset but as a home.

Taxing investment properties and properties over a certain size is logical.

Cody Pomeray

goose2005 wrote: »

I really can't fathom why the far-left are all so staunchly opposed to a tax on assets, while the right-wing government struggle to bring it in. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

The issue is that it is vulnerable to being regressive, not that SF are opposed to any asset tax as a broad policy.

In fact, Sinn Féin specifically proposed a wealth tax as a fairer alternative to taxing a pretty ordinary asset class like a family home.

laoch na mona

non story since when has any politician practiced what the preach? SF are still the best option there IMO

Yellowblackbird

A game you can play with friends or co workers is everyone speaking like mary lou. You can vary how extreme / sarcastic the voice to personal taste. Becomes addictive about the point where the novelty wares off.

Sergeant

Zebra3 wrote: »

Living in a house up to a certain size is not seen as an asset but as a home.

Taxing investment properties and properties over a certain size is logical.

What would be the differentiating factors that would decide whether a house was a 'home' or big enough to be taxed?

What would differentiate the opulent palaces of the bourgeoisie from the meagre hovels where the Plain People of Ireland go home to rest their weary bodies after a day of being oppressed?

Cody Pomeray

Sergeant wrote: »

What would be the differentiating factors that would decide whether a house was a 'home' or big enough to be taxed?

What would differentiate the opulent palaces of the bourgeoisie from the meagre hovels where the Plain People of Ireland go home to rest their weary bodies after a day of being oppressed?

We had a mansion tax up to 1997, we could do it again.

Tony EH

So Fine Gael bring in an awful regressive tax that will yield the taxpayer absolutely nothing...

...and there's people bitching about a Shinner paying it?

:rolleyes:

Cody Pomeray

Tony EH wrote: »

So Fine Gael bring in an awful regressive tax that will yield the taxpayer absolutely nothing...

€500 million in a full year, i.e. half a billion more than 'nothing'.

The tax is stupidly designed, I'd agree, and the media attempt to essentially deflect criticism for the tax to Sinn Féin is ridiculous in the extreme. However, objectively speaking, property is a potentially valuable source of taxation to the exchequer.

Hopefully a more progressive form will arise, which will simultaneously encourage a healthier attitude to property ownership in the State.

david75

She didn't. Tell me she didn't.

david75

laoch na mona wrote: »

non story since when has any politician practiced what the preach? SF are still the best option there IMO

Best option? She's done one of the biggest U turns in her parties history in the dail. Last time I ever vote for her or her party.

Phoebas

This is just SF getting on the right side of the property tax debate.
The issue didn't turn into the battleground issue they expected.

suicide_circus

snubbleste wrote: »

Don't politicians require a tax clearance certificate from now on?
Therefore if you are elected but have not paid your taxes, you will be barred..

how does mick wallace still have his seat so?

Chips Lovell

suicide_circus wrote: »

how does mick wallace still have his seat so?

He has a tax clearance certificate.

suicide_circus

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

He has a tax clearance certificate.

did he make it himself using crayons?

K-9

suicide_circus wrote: »

did he make it himself using crayons?

He has a payment schedule in place, out of his Dail wages I think.

Bit mad, but I know a couple of lads who'd have an instalment plan in place and they can get a cert, I don't think Wallace is getting preferential treatment specifically.

keeponhurling

So what should Mary Lou do then?

She is opposed to the tax in principle, as are most of the country, but if she doesn't pay it she is breaking the law which is a bad example to set.

Banjo String

Phoebas wrote: »

This is just SF getting on the right side of the property tax debate.
The issue didn't turn into the battleground issue they expected.

Yeah, that's exactly what it looks like.

Sinn Féin said yesterday it would publish legislation later this summer to repeal the property tax and hoped the bill would get support from Labour backbenchers.

Ms McDonald said it would be published in July. Revenue say payments must be made in July.