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The right to be forgotten (online)

  • 27-05-2013 12:32AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭


    The EU is currently working up proposals on this, that every individual should have the right to be forgotten online after a certain period of time. This would mean that after a defined period, things like facebook posts and forum posts would be expunged if the author requested it.

    As you may or may not know, take boards for example, only lets you edit or delete posts for a few days then it is there for eternity. Boards won't delete old posts or accounts for you as a policy and only recently allowed people to close accounts.

    Are such policies, like the ones boards (only using boards.ie as an example, there are many other forums with similar policies) has fair? Should people have a right to be forgotten online?

    Shoule people have the right to be forgotten onine 163 votes

    Yes, they should
    0% 0 votes
    No, they should not
    100% 163 votes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    No.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    CJC999 wrote: »
    No.

    Why do people feel the need to do this? There's an option to vote yes/no yet people will post yes/no without expanding on their reasons.

    Why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,463 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Why do people feel the need to do this? There's an option to vote yes/no yet people will post yes/no without expanding on their reasons.

    Why?

    'cause


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Liam90


    yes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    probably


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭bitburger


    yes and no,


    also, more eu crap that is very difficult to enforce


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ironic vote will get reset over time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    bitburger wrote: »
    yes and no,


    also, more eu crap that is very difficult to enforce

    I wouldn't say it would be that difficult to enforce. Say a typical poster around here who doesn't raise the ire of anyone decides that he or she has had enough. They could quietly close and delete their posts without anyone noticing if they were able too.

    I think the ability to delete accounts and content(not just close) should be a right as far as is practical. Technically, it would not be a great challenge for the site coders to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I actually think it's pretty fantastic that the internet is "written in ink" to quote The Social Network. For once thing, it makes it a lot harder for politicians to misrepresent their past promises and comments when everything they do and say is on the record.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Sites like Boards/Facebook etc are private entities, once you post on them the content becomes their property not yours. If you don't want your thoughts/words/information on them, then don't post.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Senna wrote: »
    Sites like Boards/Facebook etc are private entities, once you post on them the content becomes their property not yours. If you don't want your thoughts/words/information on them, then don't post.

    Its not that straightforward. The website is the publisher, not the copyright holder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Its not that straightforward. The website is the publisher, not the copyright holder.

    Do you not give up "copyright" when to agree to the terms and conditions on 99% of websites?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Wouldn't be surprised if the proposal was put forward by a politician who'd made a complete tit of him/herself online and wants people to forget about it. It's unworkable and foolish. Have the courage to own your words, don't say something you're worried someone will drag up in future, and carry on posting amusing cat .gifs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭JD DABA


    the google app called forget-me works pretty good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭Pj!


    I wouldn't say it would be that difficult to enforce. Say a typical poster around here who doesn't raise the ire of anyone decides that he or she has had enough. They could quietly close and delete their posts without anyone noticing if they were able too.

    I think the ability to delete accounts and content(not just close) should be a right as far as is practical. Technically, it would not be a great challenge for the site coders to do it.

    Obviously deleting posts would make many old threads pointless.

    Isn't the ability there to just change a username to something generic like 'deleted user'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    Senna wrote: »
    Do you not give up "copyright" when to agree to the terms and conditions on 99% of websites?

    Yes you do. Only according to them though.....not according to the law.

    99% of these agreements people sign aren't binding. They aren't legal and don't stand up to scrutiny in any way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Hownowcow


    What was the question again?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Pj! wrote: »
    Obviously deleting posts would make many old threads pointless.

    Isn't the ability there to just change a username to something generic like 'deleted user'?

    Wouldn't matter. Anyone who's ever quoted you will have your old username in their quote so it's easy to find out who you are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,952 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    But even then, boards can still delete them at the moment. they'd have to be able to in case they ever got a defamation notice.

    I like the idea of the new law. But, i would allow it to be challanged based on the public good. I mean that way a politician couldn't remove a tweet where they insulted a whole demographic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    The EU is currently working up proposals on this, that every individual should have the right to be forgotten online after a certain period of time. This would mean that after a defined period, things like facebook posts and forum posts would be expunged if the author requested it.

    As you may or may not know, take boards for example, only lets you edit or delete posts for a few days then it is there for eternity. Boards won't delete old posts or accounts for you as a policy and only recently allowed people to close accounts.

    Are such policies, like the ones boards (only using boards.ie as an example, there are many other forums with similar policies) has fair? Should people have a right to be forgotten online?

    If I wrote or signed anything in the real world with my name, then I'm held accountable for it all.
    The same should be held for online me.

    You can't wipe every trace of your daily life, online should be the same.

    Leave it all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    If it comes into affect, it'll be harder to find the murderers, the paedophiles, and the communists.

    Heck, Adolf Hitler would be erased from history if the law came in, yes?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    No, one contributes at their own free will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    If you're worried about your privacy so much then you shouldn't post up stupid shìt or personal info on social sites like Facebook or Boards that could come back to haunt you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭Lunni


    I think we should have the right to delete any comments or information from any website, including this one.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Lunni wrote: »
    I think we should have the right to delete any comments or information from any website, including this one.

    And consider the difficulty of quoted posts? Or even things that are made into images?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭Lunni


    And consider the difficulty of quoted posts? Or even things that are made into images?

    The quoted part would be deleted. This is already possible on some sites, such as Youtube, where you can still see replies to comments which have been deleted


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    You can't erase someone's memory of you. You can't send a letter to the tax office then ask them a couple of years later to shred it.

    Why should online interactions be any different?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭Lunni


    You can't erase someone's memory of you. You can't send a letter to the tax office then ask them a couple of years later to shred it.

    Why should online interactions be any different?

    Because that's not the same at all. This is a discussion forum, not a formal letter to the tax office. Something you said in a conversation 10 years ago would be long forgotten, so why can't people delete things they said years ago but may not even agree with anymore?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Yes, it should be allowed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭Tazium


    Data Protection Act has some elements relating to the lifetime of retained data and it's validity as far as I know.


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