Hunting Knives/Parang off the internet.

1shot16

Hello i am wondering has anyone got/bought hunting knives off the internet and got them shipped to ireland.Did you have any problems.I am thinking of getting the bear grylls paracord knife.Can you get them in Ireland.Also maybe the bear grylls parang because it looks cool haha. :P :cool:

The Aussie

Before you get to far into it, look into what people who have brought BG products think of them, a lot of people re-sell them after a while for a reason.

chrispin

+1 on what The Aussie says.
But if you still want to check out the Bear Grylls gear
you can find them readily available in ireland.


http://www.sportsden.ie/guns/gun-accessories/knives/beargrylls.html

1shot16

Based on youtube videos the parang and paracord knives are very very good sharp out the box and the paracord sheath is ver good!The site chrispin is on about sells the parang for 70 euro..u can get them off ebay for 30 euro.I think everyone can agree they are ripping people off!

peterk19

if you are set on Bear Grylls stuff have a look here I find them pretty reasonable for the Bear Grylls range

They don't sell the parang but do sell the Gerber gator machetes which I have and have to say they are a class for clearing old bushes

http://magneticwild.ie/Camping_Accessories/Knives?page=1

garv123

1shot16 wrote: »

Based on youtube videos the parang and paracord knives are very very good sharp out the box and the paracord sheath is ver good!The site chrispin is on about sells the parang for 70 euro..u can get them off ebay for 30 euro.I think everyone can agree they are ripping people off!

And can you be sure the one on ebay is genuine or fake cheap copy which they´re are plenty of.

They´re are better knives out there for similar money. Like all things when a famous persons puts their name to it you´re paying for the endorsement.

Grizzly 45

Gerber knives and tools....sharp?...out of the box?.......:p
That's a new one..

1shot16

The paracord is twice the price on magneticwild.ie aint paying dat irish site really rip you off!They are real as the seller is a top rated seller and has 240,000 feedback of which 99.5 is positive...

Vegeta

Where's the seller based?

If it is outside the EU, there's a chance it will be stopped coming through customs and you'll be looking at paying VAT and custom duty on the knife, which is usually around 30-33% on top.

1shot16

Vegeta wrote: »

Where's the seller based?

If it is outside the EU, there's a chance it will be stopped coming through customs and you'll be looking at paying VAT and custom duty on the knife, which is usually around 30-33% on top.

Usa... easy and simple way to avoid tax is the tell the seller not to put a value on the package and mark as gift...works for me all the time...

Vegeta

1shot16 wrote: »

Usa... easy and simple way to avoid tax is the tell the seller not to put a value on the package and mark as gift...works for me all the time...

It is also fraud, against the charter here and not a good idea. If the package is lost or damaged in transit the insurance company won't pay up as the item is marked as having no value.

Gifts are limited to 45 euro including postage
And must be sent from a private person, not a business

1shot16

Vegeta wrote: »

It is also fraud, against the charter here and not a good idea. If the package is lost or damaged in transit the insurance company won't pay up as the item is marked as having no value.

Gifts are limited to 45 euro including postage
And must be sent from a private person, not a business

Am already paying american tax why should i pay more tax the money is just wasted by the Irish Government IMO.How will customs know if i paid more than 45 euro..they never have...Since i am paying outside of ebay it is kinda a private transaction...

garv123

1shot16 wrote: »

Am already paying american tax why should i pay more tax the money is just wasted by the Irish Government IMO.How will customs know if i paid more than 45 euro..they never have...Since i am paying outside of ebay it is kinda a private transaction...

Because its the law :rolleyes:

1shot16

garv123 wrote: »

Because its the law :rolleyes:

Im sure someone will send it to me as a gift :P

Vegeta

1shot16 wrote: »

How will customs know if i paid more than 45 euro.

That's not how it works. If you've paid any money, it's not a gift.

If there is any business labeling/invoice or receipt on the box then it has come from a business, is not a gift and can be dealt with accordingly.

So lets say that it is genuinely a gift. Even if your cousin/uncle/brother/nephew/friend sent it to you for free, if the object has a market value of over 45 euro (which a quick google would find out). Then VAT and Customs are due.

Ordering something from outside the EU and not paying dues is luck or customs not being arsed chasing the small stuff.

Criticizing Irish companies prices for operating legally is not a fair comparison.

1shot16

Sometimes i got vat on things from the USA and sometimes i didn't.A friend asked the postman and he said you don't know if you are going to be charge vat...Also an post charge some other sh*t that aint vat related...crooks....

1shot16

Back to the Knives anyone have a paracord knife or Bear Grylls parang?

interize

Heinne hayes in the uk lad and dont waste your money on the gerber if u want a proper machete that wont break the bank go for coldsteel.

The Aussie

interize wrote: »

Coldsteel.

You don't hear many complaints about them.

The Gerber Bear Grylls Parang was recalled last year because they were breaking in half.

I would not bother with anything needs a celebrity name to sell it, a lot of your money goes to the endorsee rather than to materials and build quality.

Also note that the Parang is a type of machete, so it may be deemed illegal to import. I don't know who decides the difference between a large knife and a machete but its something you should be aware of. It may get seized and you'd be out of pocket.

Longranger

If you are set on something along the lines of a machete I can highly recommend a Nepalese khukuri. Thicker blade than a machete or parang and not much heavier. They come in a buffalo leather sheath with a small utility knife and a steel included. You'll pick them up on ebay but try to get it from a seller in Nepal as there are plenty of cheap copies about. Look up khukurihouseonline for the full range. They will post them to you, shipping is pricey but the knives aren't to expensive anyway.

The Aussie

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Had to have a look see, nice stuff alright....

Linky: http://www.khukurihouseonline.com/

1shot16

Some of the bear grylls parangs have broke 24 out of so many hundred thousand...its something like 0.0002% are faulty to me that ain't bad...

bravestar

1shot16 wrote: »

Some of the bear grylls parangs have broke 24 out of so many hundred thousand...its something like 0.0002% are faulty to me that ain't bad...

Then just buy it. You have been given people's opinions and you seem to want to convince yourself your right. Best of luck with it and I hope it's as good as you think.

Personally, if something needs a famous name to sell it. Ill stay away and stick with my Ka-bars.

garv123

Dont see the use of that knife for hunting either How is it not considered a machete either?

What do you plan on using it for?

Where did you pull the many hundred thousand number out of ?

dCorbus

I think the OP might fall foul of the Offensive Weapons legislation on this one if he tries firstly to import a parang and then to go about in public with it. It would IMO come under the 'broad knife' category of offensive weapons: whilst not specifically listed in the same section as 'machete' or 'matchet', I think you'd have a tough time explaining to a guard and/or a judge that a parang isn't the same thing.

And as a 'hunting' knife - I think you'd have the same difficulty arguing that hunting is your legimate reason for wandering the woods and fields with a parang. It's a wee bit big for the bunnies! Might be fine if you're planning to butcher an entire deer on the hillside - great for chopping apparently.

You'd be very much hoping the Guard and the Judge didn't have access to Wikipedia!!!

To be honest, any quarry that can be legimately dispatched with a HW97, isn't going to need the services of a parang to finish the job.

interize

Dont mind any of that, i bought a condor parang machete online and no problem what so ever. I use mine for duck and pigeon hide building, perfect for the job.

dCorbus

interize wrote: »

Dont mind any of that, i bought a condor parang machete online and no problem what so ever. I use mine for duck and pigeon hide building, perfect for the job.

Yep. You're totally correct - Don't mind any of that Offensive Weapons legislation nonsense. Sure, you'll be grand No bother.

Fire ahead so....

(You might be able to give a decent reason/excuse/defence as to why you need to be in possession of a machete in a public place - building hides for duck and pigeons *might* cover you when it comes to setting out your defence strategy with your barrister...me: I'd err on the side of caution - depends on how much your licences are worth to you)

Now....where'd I leave my shinken....

Kat1170

dCorbus wrote: »

Yep. You're totally correct - Don't mind any of that Offensive Weapons legislation nonsense. Sure, you'll be grand No bother.

Fire ahead so....

(You might be able to give a decent reason/excuse/defence as to why you need to be in possession of a machete in a public place - building hides for duck and pigeons *might* cover you when it comes to setting out your defence strategy with your barrister...me: I'd err on the side of caution - depends on how much your licences are worth to you)

Now....where'd I leave my shinken....

Legal arguments aside, I don't think too many will be building hides for duck and pigeons in 'public places'.

interize

dCorbus wrote: »

Yep. You're totally correct - Don't mind any of that Offensive Weapons legislation nonsense. Sure, you'll be grand No bother.

Fire ahead so....

(You might be able to give a decent reason/excuse/defence as to why you need to be in possession of a machete in a public place - building hides for duck and pigeons *might* cover you when it comes to setting out your defence strategy with your barrister...me: I'd err on the side of caution - depends on how much your licences are worth to you)

Now....where'd I leave my shinken....

When did anyone mention using a machete in a public place, Im no barrister but you dont need a law degree to know thats a bad idea just a bit of common sense.

dCorbus

interize wrote: »

When did anyone mention using a machete in a public place, Im no barrister but you dont need a law degree to know thats a bad idea just a bit of common sense.

Unfortunately the law refers to 'having' and/or 'possessing' the 'offensive weapon' in a 'public place' - whether or not you are using the machete isn't that relevant as to whether you'd be charged or not. The problem lies in that it is up to a Garda to decide if they believe it to be an 'offensive weapon', under the legislation. The 1990 act (plus amendments etc) does allow for a defence to be put forward that you have a 'good reason' to be in possession of the knife - the real problem is that your opportunity to give your good reason takes place AFTER you've been charged (by an over-enthusiastic or misinformed or overly-cautious or simply just bad-minded member of the GS). Meanwhile, you *may* just find your firearms being confiscated while the mess gets sorted out, and you'll have a charge under the offensive weapons act against your name when it comes around to renewal time.

Additionally, I realise no one is saying that they'd be *using* the machete in a public place - but while on your way to the fields, the hills, or the woods, you would be in possession of the item (perhaps in a bag or in your vehicle - but it's still in your possession).

I'm no barrister either, I'm just reading the legislation. Unfortunately as we are all too aware, when it comes to firearms and offensive weapons legislation in this country, common sense ain't all that common.

All I'm pointing out is that all it takes is one Guard to form an opinion and bring up a charge of simply being *in possession* of what they believe to be an offensive weapon, and you're in a world of trouble. You may very well be able to defend your good reasons for having the item - but by that stage a lot of the damage will already have been done. It's particularly tricky because 'machetes' and 'broad knives' are specifically mentioned as particular offensive weapons in the regs.

Is this something anyone would want to risk a charge and the potential loss of all their licences over? I wouldn't personally. But at least have some understanding of the law on this and then make your own informed decision as to what you do or don't want to do.

Just trying to be helpful.

(Again, just to clarify: I am not a solicitor nor a barrister, so none of what I've written is legal advice to anyone. If you're unsure, get proper legal advice. It's just an area of the law I've had occasion to have to make myself aware of - due to other sporting interests in a past life. So I'm only passing on what my understanding is so maybe the OP can avoid potential problems. Hope that helps explain where I'm coming from on this. Thanks)

1shot16

Sure aint a baseball bat an offensive weapon if a guard thinks so...a machete is not just a weapon but a TOOL!

garv123

1shot16 wrote: »

Sure aint a baseball bat an offensive weapon if a guard thinks so...a machete is not just a weapon but a TOOL!

:rolleyes:

A machete is against the law to own under the offensive weapons act.. A baseball bat isnt...

:rolleyes:

1shot16

stupid weapon offensive act.. me drivin is just as dangerous :P :rolleyes:

Sparks

1shot16 wrote: »

stupid weapon offensive act.. me drivin is just as dangerous :P :rolleyes:

As has been explained many times to many people since Babylon, it doesn't matter how stupid you think the law is unless you're in charge of things in the government.

Your original question's been answered a few times so far, and this thread's run right over the lines drawn out in the charter, so we're going to close it here with a final urging that you heed some of the advice with relation to the law in Ireland and not do something you'll wind up needing a solicitor for.