dog for stud

bus_driver

hi

I was wondering where the best place is to advertise a dog for stud , im not looking to make any money but I would like to get a pup from a litter

I have a bulldog

thanks

SillyMangoX

If people see your dog is doing really well in shows they will seek you out to use as a stud, other than that I don't know where you can just advertise a dog for stud, if you're looking for a pup though you may be better off to seek out one rather than putting a bitch through the stress of pregnancy and a c - section for just one pup.

Obro

What breed of dog have you ?

Obro

sorry, missed that. see it now.

bus_driver

SillyMangoX wrote: »

If people see your dog is doing really well in shows they will seek you out to use as a stud, other than that I don't know where you can just advertise a dog for stud, if you're looking for a pup though you may be better off to seek out one rather than putting a bitch through the stress of pregnancy and a c - section for just one pup.

the owner of the bitch would keep the rest of the litter

SillyMangoX

bus_driver wrote: »

the owner of the bitch would keep the rest of the litter

So you've already found someone then?

bus_driver

SillyMangoX wrote: »

So you've already found someone then?

no , im hoping I can find someone who owns a bitch but who doesn't want to fork out 500 euro to a so called respected breeder , my dog is from abroad originally and I have no past with the breed but he has papers and have very nice features , im hoping someone would be willing to use him on condition I get a free pup in return

if I cant find anyone , il have to simply buy a pup

andreac

bus_driver wrote: »

no , im hoping I can find someone who owns a bitch but who doesn't want to fork out 500 euro to a so called respected breeder , my dog is from abroad originally and I have no past with the breed but he has papers and have very nice features , im hoping someone would be willing to use him on condition I get a free pup in return

if I cant find anyone , il have to simply buy a pup

Is he health tested?

bus_driver

andreac wrote: »

Is he health tested?

well I bought him from a family who are not that long in Ireland , he has a passport with details of his history of vaccinations etc but I have yet to get him tested with a vet myself , im willing to comply in this area however , im not a messer , I just want a pup , their around 2 k from a top breeder so I see this as a cheaper option , I don't intend to sell my six year old if I get a pup btw

ShaShaBear

Is this the same dog you took in?
Why did he come from a place where there are a lot of other dogs?

I would advise full health testing before you even consider advertising him, as you obviously don't want to run the risk of breeding unhealthy puppies. And given how strenuous it is for the breed to have puppies, I really would advise you go with your plan to neuter him and consider a different breed, or perhaps a rescue.

andreac

To be honest, 6 is bit old to start breeding.
Unless he's an exceptional example of the breed and has been health tested for any breed related problems eg hop scoring etc then you should not be breeding your dog.

ShaShaBear

andreac wrote: »

To be honest, 6 is bit old to start breeding.
Unless he's an exceptional example of the breed and has been health tested for any breed related problems eg hop scoring etc then you should not be breeding your dog.

I've just realised that OP is the same person who was recently shopping for Boxer puppies from what appeared to be (according to his thread) a very shady couple. He got bitten by the bitch, I believe.

bus_driver

ShaShaBear wrote: »

I've just realised that OP is the same person who was recently shopping for Boxer puppies from what appeared to be (according to his thread) a very shady couple. He got bitten by the bitch, I believe.

ok , seeing as im being viewed as some sort of shady conspirator , il bow out

I do take on board the view that he may be too old for breeding , I do not want to strain my dog , nor do I want to waste another owners time

thanks

andreac

bus_driver wrote: »

ok , seeing as im being viewed as some sort of shady conspirator , il bow out

I do take on board the view that he may be too old for breeding , I do not want to strain my dog , nor do I want to waste another owners time

thanks

No one is saying that but it is a bit odd that you were looking at boxer pups, then got a bull dog and all of a sudden you are looking to breed your dog?

ShaShaBear

bus_driver wrote: »

ok , seeing as im being viewed as some sort of shady conspirator , il bow out

I do take on board the view that he may be too old for breeding , I do not want to strain my dog , nor do I want to waste another owners time

thanks

Not shady, but perhaps not sure or settled on what course you want to take in order to obtain a puppy. Your having problems with your current dog, which you plan to neuter, but you also want to breed him and get a puppy, despite not having any health tests done. Bulldog puppies are expensive and rare for a reason - because it's very dangerous for the bitches to have puppies

I mentioned the boxers as I assumed this meant you were not settled on a breed. It might be a good idea to decide what you want to do. I may be wrong, but I thought it wasn't a good idea to mix dogs that are related, especially two males, and especially one who has developed a thing for humping. It could end up causing fights, especially as the puppy would be quite small when you get it.

bus_driver

andreac wrote: »

No one is saying that but it is a bit odd that you were looking at boxer pups, then got a bull dog and all of a sudden you are looking to breed your dog?

il explain that and if you don't believe me , that's your prerogative

I had always wanted a bulldog but 2 k or even 1500 was too much money

so I decided I would get a boxer which is also a breed I like ( ive previously owned a st Bernard btw )

I went to look at boxer pups , had an unfortunate experience so I didn't buy any of them , in the past week I came across a bulldog who while obviously on in years , cost me a mere 170 euros , I realise he may only live to eight but I thought I would at least experience owning a bulldog for a while

ShaShaBear

bus_driver wrote: »

il explain that and if you don't believe me , that's your prerogative

I had always wanted a bulldog but 2 k or even 1500 was too much money

so I decided I would get a boxer which is also a breed I like ( ive previously owned a st Bernard btw )

I went to look at boxer pups , had an unfortunate experience so I didn't buy any of them , in the past week I came across a bulldog who while obviously on in years , cost me a mere 170 euros , I realise he may only live to eight but I thought I would at least experience owning a bulldog for a while

The absolutely massive question there is why in all hell did he only cost that amount? Where did you get him from? If you've only had him that short space of time, and don't know about his previous six years, then I wouldn't risk adding a puppy into the mix, especially since he seems to be developing behavioural problems already.

andreac

Why were they selling him so cheap?

bus_driver

ShaShaBear wrote: »

Not shady, but perhaps not sure or settled on what course you want to take in order to obtain a puppy. Your having problems with your current dog, which you plan to neuter, but you also want to breed him and get a puppy, despite not having any health tests done. Bulldog puppies are expensive and rare for a reason - because it's very dangerous for the bitches to have puppies

I mentioned the boxers as I assumed this meant you were not settled on a breed. It might be a good idea to decide what you want to do. I may be wrong, but I thought it wasn't a good idea to mix dogs that are related, especially two males, and especially one who has developed a thing for humping. It could end up causing fights, especially as the puppy would be quite small when you get it.

the dog is not particulary problematic , the family I bought him from had pugs , a French bulldog and another English bulldog ( bitch ) , he was obviously used to plenty of company , any change is going to be challenging for a dog , my dog is very old not to be neutred so I suppose I cant complain when hes a little horny

it sounds like no bulldog bitch owner would want a 6 year old male going near them but that aside , was told by someone that I should delay neutering him for six weeks as he has gone through enough change this past while , first moving to Ireland and then from his previous owners to myself

bus_driver

ShaShaBear wrote: »

The absolutely massive question there is why in all hell did he only cost that amount? Where did you get him from? If you've only had him that short space of time, and don't know about his previous six years, then I wouldn't risk adding a puppy into the mix, especially since he seems to be developing behavioural problems already.

well I didn't steal him or force them to sell him , I took a chance on him , his papers say hes up to date on rabies shots etc and he looks ok so if he dies of a heart attack in six months , at least I only lost 170 euro

ShaShaBear

bus_driver wrote: »

the dog is not particulary problematic , the family I bought him from had pugs , a French bulldog and another English bulldog ( bitch ) , he was obviously used to plenty of company , any change is going to be challenging for a dog , my dog is very old not to be neutred so I suppose I cant complain when hes a little horny

it sounds like no bulldog bitch owner would want a 6 year old male going near them but that aside , was told by someone that I should delay neutering him for six weeks as he has gone through enough change this past while , first moving to Ireland and then from his previous owners to myself

I dont suppose you know if they bred him with their bitch? If he was regularly having his way with a lady friend, it might explain why he has developed a continuing habit, since he is now devoid of female company. Honestly though, while it might not seem like much of a problem, it could very well cause issues if a new dog, particularly a puppy is introduced into the home - whether its his offspring or not. I know of plenty of dogs who are fine with the dogs they have been kept with, and are entirely different when a new dog is introduced, whether it be a visitor or on a walk. Do you know if your dog is happy with other dogs in your house?

andreac

bus_driver wrote: »

well I didn't steal him or force them to sell him , I took a chance on him , his papers say hes up to date on rabies shots etc and he looks ok so if he dies of a heart attack in six months , at least I only lost 170 euro

Why does he have rabies shots done? Has he been over to Europe for some reason?

ShaShaBear

bus_driver wrote: »

well I didn't steal him or force them to sell him , I took a chance on him , his papers say hes up to date on rabies shots etc and he looks ok so if he dies of a heart attack in six months , at least I only lost 170 euro

And I meant that he could have a serious underlying medical condition, or severe behavioural issues that the owners might not have been able to deal with, and thought to pass the buck to you. You may think you are getting a great deal on an expensive breed, but you may not agree if your next vet trip costs a surprise couple of hundred quid

Their reasons for getting rid of the dog cheaply is quite important.

DBB

OP, there is little doubt that what you're looking for, and how you're going about it, is not going to meet with much approval from others who are keen to ensure that any breeding is done the right way, on all levels.
However, can I remind all posters that haranguing the OP is taking his initial enquiry way off topic. I don't have too much of a problem with anyone trying to broaden the OP's knowledge, but it can be done in a helpful way, without the Spanish Inquisition, which is only going to put people off taking any well-intentioned advice.
So, I'll ask that everyone posts in a way that is helpful.
Do not reply to this part of this post on thread please.
Thanks,
DBB

Mod hat off:
I'll kick things off OP, by answering your initial question. Contact the breed society, they're the best positioned to advise. But do remember, if they advise against, or if they can't find an owner of a bitch to mate with your dog, then read between the lines. If they don't feel your dog is suitable, be prepared to accept that.

bus_driver

andreac wrote: »

Why does he have rabies shots done? Has he been over to Europe for some reason?

thought I said he only arrived in Ireland in the past year , the family I bought him from are eastern European

I have a dog trainer coming out to me in ten days and she told me that their is less chance of him having rabies than an irish dog as he would not have gotten through immigration in Dublin if he wasn't up to date on his shots

bus_driver

ShaShaBear wrote: »

And I meant that he could have a serious underlying medical condition, or severe behavioural issues that the owners might not have been able to deal with, and thought to pass the buck to you. You may think you are getting a great deal on an expensive breed, but you may not agree if your next vet trip costs a surprise couple of hundred quid

Their reasons for getting rid of the dog cheaply is quite important.

sure buying a cheap car can pose risks aswell , if it doesn't work out , at least I only spent a relatively small amount of money

hes a nice dog , I like him and hopefully I will get a year or two of enjoyment from him , il be sure to bring him for a full check up in September when his next shots are due

andreac

bus_driver wrote: »

thought I said he only arrived in Ireland in the past year , the family I bought him from are eastern European

I have a dog trainer coming out to me in ten days and she told me that their is less chance of him having rabies than an irish dog as he would not have gotten through immigration in Dublin if he wasn't up to date on his shots

Not sure how that would be true as there isn't any rabies in Ireland so a dog coming from a country that has rabies is of course going to have a risk of having it that than a dog in a country that doesn't.

bus_driver

OP, there is little doubt that what you're looking for, and how you're going about it, is not going to meet with much approval from others who are keen to ensure that any breeding is done the right way, on all levels.
However, can I remind all posters that haranguing the OP is taking his initial enquiry way off topic. I don't have too much of a problem with anyone trying to broaden the OP's knowledge, but it can be done in a helpful way, without the Spanish Inquisition, which is only going to put people off taking any well-intentioned advice.
So, I'll ask that everyone posts in a way that is helpful.
Do not reply to this part of this post on thread please.
Thanks,
DBB

Mod hat off:
I'll kick things off OP, by answering your initial question. Contact the breed society, they're the best positioned to advise. But do remember, if they advise against, or if they can't find an owner of a bitch to mate with your dog, then read between the lines. If they don't feel your dog is suitable, be prepared to accept that.

mod , im not involved in some puppy farm our out to get in on some handy money scheme , the idea was suggested to me by someone else and neither are they two bit dog dealers

I might be able to afford a 2 k bulldog someday so in the mean time il enjoy my six year old , hes hardly the first dog to hump his bed furiously

ShaShaBear

bus_driver wrote: »

sure buying a cheap car can pose risks aswell , if it doesn't work out , at least I only spent a relatively small amount of money

hes a nice dog , I like him and hopefully I will get a year or two of enjoyment from him , il be sure to bring him for a full check up in September when his next shots are due

Without causing offense and sounding rialled up, most of us here wouldn't equate our dogs to cars that might break down. Of course his health should be paramount to you, especially if you have any intentions of breeding him. In fact, like you would do with any new dog, he should have been taken for a check up immediately after you purchased him. That is very commonplace, regardless of where and how you got the dog.

To reiterate, no one here is accusing you of anything. Not once has anyone accused you of being any of the things you have valiantly listed off.
The dog should be fully health screened before breeding, and you don't plan to do this until September.
You don't know why the original owners wanted rid of him, and for so cheap.
You're having some minor problems with him at the minute, which could end up affecting a future pup or dog.

We're asking these questions because the answers would seriously affect our resulting advise on whether or not you should breed your dog in order to obtain another puppy. Not because we think you're shady.

DBB

bus_driver wrote: »

mod , im not involved in some puppy farm our out to get in on some handy money scheme , the idea was suggested to me by someone else and neither are they two bit dog dealers

I never suggested that

JustAThought

DBB wrote: »

I never suggested that

The thrashing bus driver has got online here is really disgusting -and yes -from both andreac, shaha shaha & yourself the way your are all rounding on him & the way you are interrogating him it does look like you are accusing him of that.

Another animal & pets bullying thread.

Congratulations -you should be ashamed of yourselves.

andreac

JustAThought wrote: »

The thrashing bus driver has got online here is really disgusting -and yes -from both andreac, shaha shaha & yourself the way your are all rounding on him & the way you are interrogating him it does look like you are accusing him of that.

Another animal & pets bullying thread.

Congratulations -you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Please point out where i bullied him?

I asked a few questions as they were inquiring about using the dog for stud, my points were very valid actually.

mymo

Bus_driver, just to explain whats meant by health testing and the requirements for breeding.
First off is the dog registered?
Who is he registered with? (You said the owners were Eastern European, is it a foreign kennel club? Or did they transfer the registration to irish kennel club?)
Is he a good example of the breed? This doesn't just mean a nice looking friendly dog, unfortunately with bulldogs the breed has been very exaggerated over the years, even in the last 30 years (when I first saw one) they have changed quite a bit.
Health tests, usually hip and elbow scores this means X-rays, which are expensive which are then sent away to be checked by experts.
I'm not sure of specifics for bulldogs, but I think heart (not just listening to make sure it ticks ok) and checks for breathing issues and maybe eye tests (€30 approx it cost for my fellas eye test, through a breed club), but maybe genetic test for genetically passed illness.

This all adds up, it's quite an expense to do right, and then there's the bitch, bulldogs have serious birthing issues, and it's a big risk breeding them.
There is also the fact that unless you have a few generations of pedigree or he's from lines people have heard off or know about, people may be unwilling to breed him with their bitch.

I hope your dog is fine and healthy a gives you a good few years, and I hope you take this post the way it's meant (it's hard to get your point accross the way it's meant with just written words), to help you make an informed decision and get a better understanding of whats involved.
If he is a good healthy bulldog and has the correct looks that's great.
Best of luck with him, don't forget the pics!

borderlinemeath

JustAThought wrote: »

The thrashing bus driver has got online here is really disgusting -and yes -from both andreac, shaha shaha & yourself the way your are all rounding on him & the way you are interrogating him it does look like you are accusing him of that.

Another animal & pets bullying thread.

Congratulations -you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Thrashing? I don't see thrashing. I see people giving honest opinions on why it's not a good idea for a complete novice to breed a bulldog - SPECIFICALLY because they want a cheaper puppy and refuse to pay responsible breeder prices.

Everybody who posts here is aware of the risks of putting a bitch in pup and the risks are far far more substantial with bulldogs due to their exaggerated head size and need for surgical intervention. It's all well and good to be nicey nicey but when somebody says 'sure it only cost me €170, even if I only get a few more years out of him' that is bound to set alarm bells ringing with posters. I'm actually suprised nobody has called Troll yet.

snoman

At some point during this exchange the OP stated that they would no longer communicating on this thread because they felt the comments had been unhelpful. That post appears to have disappeared so I just thought that I would let those of you still responding know that I don't think the OP will be back.

Sorry! Just saw that it hadn't disappeared - so apologies.

ShaShaBear

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Thrashing? I don't see thrashing. I see people giving honest opinions on why it's not a good idea for a complete novice to breed a bulldog - SPECIFICALLY because they want a cheaper puppy and refuse to pay responsible breeder prices.

Everybody who posts here is aware of the risks of putting a bitch in pup and the risks are far far more substantial with bulldogs due to their exaggerated head size and need for surgical intervention. It's all well and good to be nicey nicey but when somebody says 'sure it only cost me €170, even if I only get a few more years out of him' that is bound to set alarm bells ringing with posters. I'm actually suprised nobody has called Troll yet.

I just think that this is a classic case of "Poster Didn't Hear What He Wanted To", an all too common occurence on this forum
I've tried to subdue and correct the tone of my posts since he started accusing us of calling him all sorts of shady - we're all telling him exactly the same thing - that his attitude towards his dog and future dogs is not appropriate if he plans to breed. He's having behavioural problems with this dog that he wants to breed that has not been health tested, he still hasn't told me if the dog is correctly socialised to accept another dog into the home and doesn't at all seem phased by the dangers to the bitch. He's really just not listening.

anniehoo

JustAThought wrote: »

The thrashing bus driver has got online here is really disgusting -and yes -from both andreac, shaha shaha & yourself the way your are all rounding on him & the way you are interrogating him it does look like you are accusing him of that.

Another animal & pets bullying thread.

Congratulations -you should be ashamed of yourselves.

JustAThought you have accused 2 members and a Moderator of bullying within this thread, which is completely inaccurate and back seat moderating for which I am yellow carding you. You know where the report button is, please use it.

Yes the OP got asked many questions and rightly so. Studding your dog is not to be taken lightly and if they cant answer basic questions then they need to think again.

Closing this thread as the OP has stated they won't be back and the tone is not pleasant now.