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Irish 2000 Guineas/Saturday racing

  • 24-05-2013 12:50pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭


    Surprisingly, O'Brien has taken out ante post fav Cristoforo Columbo and left in 4 of what looked like 'outsiders'.
    Magician is now fav after winning a Derby trial at Lingfield :eek:
    He looks one to take on, but on the other hand, O'Brien knows what he's doing !

    I like Van Der Neer myself :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭klairondavis


    The horse who finished second to Magician at Chester runs in a match at Goodwood today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,625 ✭✭✭✭Johner


    O'Briens looks too short. Like Van Der Neer at 7/2 myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    This is a really nice gamble he was 14s last week. George Vancouver each way for me


    Is anyone going


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    I like the look of Fort Knox myself, unexposed and could be anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Ow my feelings


    Fancy Moran Gra in the mile handicap tomorrow, ran well last time at York and isn't badly handicapped


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭SRFC


    The horse who finished second to Magician at Chester runs in a match at Goodwood today.

    Well beaten in a 2 horse race today doesnt look good for Magician although he fairly destroyed him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭madmoose


    Im back on the track at york tomorrow lads, i will yet again run my heart out and im worth an ew at 6/1.

    Regards

    Moose


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Goldcupfav


    3.55 Curragh Lilys Angel at 10/1 looks a very big price for this race imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭jimjamcos


    madmoose wrote: »
    Im back on the track at york tomorrow lads, i will yet again run my heart out and im worth an ew at 6/1.

    Regards

    Moose

    G'wan the Mooose! Hoots mon there's Moose, loose abooout this house!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    York 2:55

    Ponte Acclaim seems to have been given a decent shot here by the handicapper. He has very good course form and should benefit from his pipe opening run behind Ancient Cross earlier this month. He has come down in the weights because of a few runs at the end of last season on soft ground and his midfield run here earlier. He had some very decent runs early last year giving him a rating of 105 and his rating here of 91, should put him in with a great shout at a huge looking price. 33/1 with Stan James looks a great price for a horse who has plenty of potential and is still only 4.

    1 Point EW 33/1 Stan James


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    Chester 3:40

    Kiama Bay is another who looked to have been given a decent chance by the handicapper here. After a very good 2011 he came down the weights last year after a lot of half decent runs of what was probably a mark that was too high for him. He came back this year in the Chester Cup and really he doesn’t seem to stay that far. The Owner loves his horses to be ready to run at this course and this race looks far more suitable of a decent mark of 87. 14/1 with Bet Victor looks decent and if he can improve for his seasonal return he might well have a decent chance here. He doesn’t have the best of draws but I’m hopeful that won’t be the end of the world over this trip.

    1 Point win 14/1 Bet Victor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    Curragh 3:20

    This race has the look of one with nothing between a lot of the contenders here. I think the Fav looks a bit too short over this trip and I’m more inclined to go with one of Aidan O’Brien’s other runners here in George Vancouver. He was the subject of a few EW wagers at Newmarket but in the end looked in need of the run. The Fast ground here will definatly suit him and he has possibly the best 2yo form of these with a very good 2nd to Reckless Abandon in the Prix Morney and winning the Breeders Cup Juvanile on very fast ground. He looks on the face of it to be the 3th choice of ballydoyle judging by the jockey booking, but there probably isn’t a lot between them and he looks great value at 16/1 with Boyles at the moment

    1 Point EW 16/1 Boyles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    This race has the look of one with nothing between a lot of the contenders here. I think the Fav looks a bit too short over this trip and I’m more inclined to go with one of Aidan O’Brien’s other runners here in George Vancouver. He was the subject of a few EW wagers at Newmarket but in the end looked in need of the run. The Fast ground here will definatly suit him and he has possibly the best 2yo form of these with a very good 2nd to Reckless Abandon in the Prix Morney and winning the Breeders Cup Juvanile on very fast ground. He looks on the face of it to be the 3th choice of ballydoyle judging by the jockey booking, but there probably isn’t a lot between them and he looks great value at 16/1 with Boyles at the moment

    1 Point EW 16/1 Boyles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Fort Knox only has a length to make up on Van Der Neer on a line through his very comfortable win over Don't Bother Me in the Leopardstown 2,000 gns trial. Will be hard to keep him out of the places, but Magician should have enough about him to take this. The vibes about him at Chester were really good and he didn't disappoint.

    It would be a massive compliment to Dawn Approach if Van Der Neer a horse he beat 7 1/4l wins it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    aidankkk wrote: »
    York 2:55

    Ponte Acclaim seems to have been given a decent shot here by the handicapper. He has very good course form and should benefit from his pipe opening run behind Ancient Cross earlier this month. He has come down in the weights because of a few runs at the end of last season on soft ground and his midfield run here earlier. He had some very decent runs early last year giving him a rating of 105 and his rating here of 91, should put him in with a great shout at a huge looking price. 33/1 with Stan James looks a great price for a horse who has plenty of potential and is still only 4.

    1 Point EW 33/1 Stan James

    Putting that one up later on myself. Looks on an incredibly dangerous mark.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Lads the three of us are on Ponty Acclaim so and I'm on George Vancouver too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭jimjamcos


    I shouldn't be backing Magician for the same reason I went against DOW last weekend - there's very little depth to his form. Unlike DOW though, he looked visually impressive at Chester and while he beat little, his turn of foot was instant and can't see the drop in trip inconveniencing him.

    This doesn't look the strongest 2000 Guineas and I think Van Der Neer (likeable as he is) may be a bit of a bridesmaid horse. Toronado under-performed badly in English Guineas IMO so hard to have much confidence in anything behind DA that day with a 150/1 shot 2nd. Also hard to place much emphasis on the recent French run of Havana Gold, Gale Force Ten and Flying The Flag as a snotty nose would win a horse those bunched races! French races are just too messy to take serious IMO. Ground is an unknown for Fort Knox and he's got a bit to find anyway while George Vancouver is a sprinter and hasn't a hope of staying the trip well enough to my eyes - he's also been unplaced on both course starts.

    First Cornerstone, at a price, is interesting having been only 2l behind Van Deer Neer in last years RP Trophy which Kingsbarns won. He may need the run however, with trainer stating that this is a prep for the Irish derby.

    Trading Leather is the horse I think will give Magician most to think about. He's been ultra-consistent so far with his only poor run being in the RP Trophy after which Bolger admitted he shouldn't have ran him on soft. Disregarding that run, he's been 2nd in the Dante, won twice and been 2nd to Battle of Marengo on his debut. He probably needs further but given that the race doesn't look the strongest, the track and ground will suit and that he's a consistent battler who is guaranteed to be prominent, gallop and stay, I rate him a safe ew bet.


    Magician @ 5/2 with Boyles.

    Trading Leather ew @ 8/1 with Coral.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Morleystreet


    UrbanSea wrote: »
    This is a really nice gamble he was 14s last week. George Vancouver each way for me


    Is anyone going


    Yeah, heading tomorrow. Hopefully a good day in store. With urban,Aidan,rosom all on ponty at York, tink all of boards will be on too! Any thoughts on maarek tomorrow, or would ground be against him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    Yeah, heading tomorrow. Hopefully a good day in store. With urban,Aidan,rosom all on ponty at York, tink all of boards will be on too! Any thoughts on maarek tomorrow, or would ground be against him.

    Didnt even see that race looking trough the Cards. Maarek should need softer but may not neded to be at his best. Have a feeling that Slade Power could be about to burst onto the scene this year, and he will probably like the ground..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Might take a chance on Infanta Branca in that each way at a price, think she blatantly hasn't stayed the trips this year and has bags of speed and will relish the quick ground being by Henrythenavigator, think it's wide open


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭luckyeye


    Can make cases for too many in the Guineas so won't have a bet. If I had to pick 1, I'd probably plum for one of the O'Brien outsiders.

    Has COD chosen Flying the Flag over George? Surely he's have the choice ahead of Pat Smullen...he caught my eye in the French Guineas and at 25/1, might be worth a speculative punt.

    In what is a very competitive sprint, my only bet tomorrow (so far ;)) will be Hitchens in the Greenlands. Won this race back in '11 and finished 4th last year. JP Murtagh on board this time round off of 3lbs lighter. Need to get the break and luck in running in these types of events, but hope he will be there at the business end of the race. Currently 12/1 - various.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    aidankkk wrote: »
    This race has the look of one with nothing between a lot of the contenders here. I think the Fav looks a bit too short over this trip and I’m more inclined to go with one of Aidan O’Brien’s other runners here in George Vancouver. He was the subject of a few EW wagers at Newmarket but in the end looked in need of the run. The Fast ground here will definatly suit him and he has possibly the best 2yo form of these with a very good 2nd to Reckless Abandon in the Prix Morney and winning the Breeders Cup Juvanile on very fast ground. He looks on the face of it to be the 3th choice of ballydoyle judging by the jockey booking, but there probably isn’t a lot between them and he looks great value at 16/1 with Boyles at the moment

    1 Point EW 16/1 Boyles

    Had a decent bet on this earlier on. I think he's fairly highly regarded by Ballydoyle and there was a fair bit of rain before the Guineas. Can't understand why Boyle's went such a standout price


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭jimjamcos


    2.15: Club Wexford Good word for it on here LTO and loads of money for it. Probably would of won with a better ride and seems to be money coming for it already. 4's into 3's with Boyles and 7/2 with PP.

    2.45: Slade Power Eddie Lynam has done a brilliant job with this lad and Sole Power. Really gets the best out of his sprinters. Slade Power mixed it with the likes of Maarek and Society Rock on Qipco Champions day at the end of last season but ground was on the soft side for him. He ran ok though, despite being slowly away that day. He won at Fairyhouse before that with Lynam saying post-race: "He has a bit of class about him. I think he'll be very good. In nine months he could be very good". He likes quick ground and I think there's serious improvement in him this season. Can't be having Maarek on quick ground. 8/1, PP

    3.20: Magician win @ 5/2, Trading Leather @ 8/1

    4.25: Jamesie Slow out of the blocks LTO at Ascot and only got going when he found the near rail. Was a real eye-catcher. Tends to need luck in running but will like the good ground and will be winning a race of this standard soon IMO. Hopefully extra furlong helps and he finds his stride a bit quicker tomorrow. 8/1 PP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Moran Gra 4.25 Curragh 12/1


    Competitive mile handicap with 23 runners and while I was hoping for a bigger price think Moran Gra has a nice chance here. A real likeable gelding, he’s probably a bit unlucky not to have won at least a Listed race but he always gives his running. A six furlong maiden winner on firm ground at two, it’s a bit disappointing that he only has three other wins to his name, the last of which came March 2012 when beating Banna Boirche (won twice since) on the all weather by a head. He’s dropped to a mark that looks workable for him of 97, given that his course and distance win back in 2011 was off 98 and the booking of Pat Smullen looks a real positive. Has ran well in strong handicaps, namely last time out at York when beaten under three lengths into sixth, and fared better than his finishing position of seventh implies in the Cambridgeshire last run of the season last year. Should be winning soon and he loves quick ground. Looks a fair each way bet, with hopefully bigger prices in the morning.

    George Vancouver 14/1 Curragh 3.20


    This probably won’t prove to be the strongest classic in the world but it still looks competitive enough. George seems a big price here but in reality is probably the third choice of the Ballydoyle horses but I wouldn’t be too put off by that. By Henrythenavigator who won this race back in 2008, he has some really smart two year old form. He disappointed first two starts in maidens (well backed), looking like he hated the heavy ground and duly improved when seeing a sounder surface, landing some nice bets in the process of easily breaking his maiden tag on the all weather at Dundalk over six furlongs.

    Improved no end after that, running a brilliant second to the unbeaten Reckless Abandon in the Gr.1 Prix Morney, but wasn’t as good after that, looking like something was amiss when beaten at 8/13 back in Ireland, though did run better when third to Dawn Approach in the Dewhurst.

    Showed his best form yet when winning the Breeders Cup Juvenile at Santa Anita last back end on real quick going and a repeat of that should see him in the mix here. Looked badly in need of the run at Newmarket and not one to dismiss lightly here at good each way odds.


    Ponty Acclaim 2.55 York 28/1


    A speculative bet but this will prove to be huge odds if this filly returns to form tomorrow in another really competitive 20 runner handicap. A smart early two year old, Ponty Acclaim won first time up at Ripon before winning three more times before the end of the season, a novice stakes at Thirsk, impressively winning a conditions race at Ripon (good to soft) before saving the best for last nicely landing an Ascot Gr.3 and a rating of 105 after that.

    Made a nice return to racing at three when second to the odds on and possibly really smart Pearl Secret, she has been a bit hit and miss since, going through the motions a few times last season though ran a good race when beaten a shade over a length over this course and distance last August off a mark of 101 and ran better in an Ascot Listed race in October.

    Hasn’t done much on three runs since then, but she did miss the break next time out (well backed) and ran much better than her finishing position suggests at Donny two runs back. Probably needed the run on her comeback, but she’s dropped to a mark of 91 now she is looking very well handicapped and is well drawn and could go well at a nice price.

    One more in the shape of

    Oscar Prairie 7.45 Ffos Lass 16/1

    Another speculative bet but another who could be overpriced as he returns to chasing having been running well over hurdles until recently, though did bounce back to form two runs back when beaten a head at Wincanton off 122. Put him up before, this is what I had to say in January:


    As usual the Lanzarote handicap looks wide open but does at least mean we can find a bit of value in the race. Oscar Prairie is a relatively unexposed 8 year old son of Oscar who already has a course and distance victory to his name. Originally trained in Ireland, he was bought out of Phyllis O'Rourke's yard for 14,000 pounds after a good third in a Killarney bumper. Ran a good race first time out for it's new yard December 09, finishing twelve lengths behind Wishful Thinking over two and a half miles, and ran to a similar level next time out at Leicester, again finishing forth, beaten ten lengths by a subsequent winner. Entered handicaps off a mark of 110, finishing third first time out over an extended three miles at Warwick (looked like a non stayer), and did nothing to deter that impression next time out in a better handicap at Cheltenham, finishing nearer last than first that day. Returned to novice company next time out, comfortably landing an extended 2 mile Folkestone novice hurdle (well backed), before returning to handicap company next time out at Lingfield, disappointing when beaten at 4/9 on.

    Tried his luck at fences after this, running poorly as the 11/4 favourite at Warwick, before falling in a 3 mile Exeter novice. Did get back to winning ways next time out over fences at Chepstow on good to soft ground, proving he could handle three miles off a mark of 110, and absolutely bolted up next time out at Hereford in a handicap hurdle off the same mark, winning by 28 lengths.

    Disappointed next starts in handicap chases over three miles, pulling up both starts, but got back to winning ways in a jumpers' bumper at Kempton last February, before running one of his best races of last season, winning over this course and distance a shade cosily off a mark of 125 in a race that has some good form in behind,before running a big race,again off this course and distance, next time out off his revised mark of 133, finishing a five length third.

    He hasn't been as good since, pulling up both subsequent starts, including over three miles in a strong Aintree handicap hurdle, then at Uttoxeter over fences on his seasonal return. Looked like he was a horse on the decline when pulling up at Wetherby next start in a handicap hurdle over two and three quarter miles off a mark of 130 (had ran poorly in a Wolverhampton all weather maiden in between).

    However, did return to form last time out following a near three month break, running a big race at 66/1 last weekend at Wincanton, beaten seven lengths by a most impressive winner whose original handicap mark of 125 was proven to be at least 20 lbs wrong (winner is 3/3 over hurdles and a half brother to Grands Crus). Oscar Prairie goes unpenalised for that run and could run well at a price tomorrow, with Thomas Garner taking off a valuable seven pounds. Has shown his liking for this course and hopefully a big run can be on the cards.’’

    Ran no sort of race that day, but back over fences tomorrow he’s undeniably well treated, and is only 8lbs higher than when winning a Chepstow handicap chase back in March 2011. The booking of Noel Fehily is a big positive and can run a big race if putting his right foot forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭Gatame


    Curragh 4:25

    One of the horses I follow, Jamesie, is running here tomorrow, he ran a great race last time out, finishing 7th after getting unlucky out of the stalls and ending up behind the entire field. There was a lot of talk for him locally and I was very disappointed to see him have such a terrible start.

    First time running the mile since this same race last year and I think the extra furlong will suit after such a strong finish two weeks ago at Ascot.

    Price-wise I think he's a little short considering how open this race is and luck with starts and runs will likely be a huge factor, so he's not a banker, but.. Jamesie has had more than his fair share of bad luck and has a big race in him; I'll be there when he does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,961 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    I like the look of Fort Knox myself, unexposed and could be anything.

    same here
    last run at leop looks really good to me
    im taking the 7s on that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    He's unexposed but it was a terrible trial


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    York 1:50

    I’m having a lot of difficulty seeing anything other than Our Jonathan winning this race. The rest of the field have a lot to prove or are overrated. A Repeat of his first run out this year when 3rd behind Jack Dexter should be enough to win this, and his last run can be ignored as he was very slow away and was never in the race. He has very consistent for over 7 Furlongs and 3/1 looks a fair bit overpriced to me. I have him more like 7/4 to win this.


    2 Points win 3/1 Various


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,008 ✭✭✭kksaints


    Yep another on the George Vancouver bandwagon here. Quite a weak race for a classic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭rosskeen


    First Cornerstone running at his best would have a real chance here. He beat Trading Leather (7/1) in the Racing Post and finished 2 lengths down on Van Der Neer (7/2) that day. It's been said by Andy Oliver that his horses have been needing a run but the evidence over the last week has shown the stable form improving (1 win, 3 places in last 4 runs).

    There are a few of Oliver's race placements interesting over the next couple of days as well. He's entered Thrilled To Bits in the 2.15 tomorrow. An unraced maiden and his first 2 year old runner of the season. Available at 40's he could certainly have been placed in easier races. He might be a donkey but Oliver's 2 year old race placement last year usually wasn't too shabby.

    He's also entered Live Dangerously in the Group 3 10f race on Sunday. He's another unraced maiden. It's a big ask for a 3 year old especially when there are alot easier races for him.

    Just on Oliver, The Plan Man is one to keep an eye on. Beaten a short head on debut on Tuesday (when 10/1 in a 5 horse field) he looks like he could be a useful sort in future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    2.55 York

    Ponty Aclaim 28/1

    Tim Easterby's Group 3 winning Juvenile Ponty Acclaim has slipped to a very dangerous mark of 91 and after an ok reappearance run over this C+D she may well be ready to add to her 4 2 year old successes. After winning that Group 3 in decent style on her final 2 year old start, Ponty Acclaim started off her 3 year old season with an absolutely belting run over this C+D when only finding the very highly rated Pearl Secret too good as she was beaten easily enough by 2L by that Colt but she did have to concede him 2lb and she was nearly 2L clear of the 3rd Caledonia Lady who went on to win a Group 3 herself later that season. She then ran in the King's Stand Group 1 when mid division before disappointing in a Listed contest and running well enough in another Listed race at Chester when beaten a little over 2L despite missing the break. Ponty Acclaim then returned to handicap company off a mark of 101 at York over 89 yards further than this with an absolutely belting run against her elders. Under Ted Ducan last August, Ponty Acclaim looked set to run a blinding 2nd before fading very badly in the last 50 yards to be beaten less than 2L in 7th. It was a tremendous effort for a 3 year old against older horses and a reproduction of that effort off a 10lb lower mark would certainly see her land this. She followed that run with a flat effort in a Listed contest at Beverley before running much better in a first time hood (retained since) at Beverley when a never nearer 2L beaten 3rd in a Conditions race and she followed that up with with a good 3rd in a Listed contest at Ascot on soft ground that wouldn't have suited. She was disappointing on her final 2 starts last year on soft ground but she fell in the handicap resultantly to a mark of 94 off which she made her reappearance over this C+D 9 days ago. She very much shaped as if she needed the run that day as she ended up being drawn on the wrong side of the track but David Allan certainly wasn't unnecessarily tough on her as she was beaten less than 6L. She should have come on a lot fitness wise for that run and the handicapper has relented a further 3lb and judged on some of her old form she looks dangerously well handicapped. Like so many others, Ponty Acclaim found it tough at a high level in 3 year old sprints last season but now a 4 year old I think she'll find life much easier back in handicaps. Duran Fentiman, who has won on her before, takes the ride and Tim Easterby has started to knock a few winners in with 3 in the past week and at 28/1 I certainly think she could cause a bit of surprise in this contest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    6.10 Ffos Las

    Fromthetop 11/2


    Looking at Fromthetop's Point To Point form, its not at all surprising that there has been a load of support for Michael Scudamore's handicap chase debutant as he could be stones in off a mark of 77. Trained in Ireland by Elaine Palmer, Fromthetop was successful in 3 of his 8 Point To Points (including his final 2 in March last year) and the form of a few of those races make this 7 year old look beyond ridiculously well handicapped. On his 2nd start he was beaten a neck by subsequent Grade 3 winning hurdler My Murphy in April 2011 and followed that up with another 2nd a month later but he seemed to progress massively with another summer on his back as he won 3 of his 4 completed Point To Points. After falling at 2 out when going very well at Dromahane in November 2011, Fromthetop won his first Point To Point at the 5th time of asking in an average looking Point To Point at Avaune that December before an ok 4th a month later when beaten a little over 3L in the mud. It was his final 2 Point To Points that are by far his strongest form when winning both snugly and beating two very useful horses in the process. At the start of March 2012 he beat the now 134 rated chaser Supreme Doc at Kilworth before beating subsequent Grade 2 runner up Ardkilly Witness at Liscarroll later that month. There is no way that Fromthetop could beat those two rivals without a fair degree of ability and if reproducing either of those efforts a mark of 77 could be laughable on handicap chase debut. Fromthetop was picked up for £46,000 at the Cheltenham Sales last April and sent to Michael Scudamore for whom he's had 3 starts so far with a run over fences sandwiched between a couple of hurdle runs between December-February. Although he showed nothing of note in any of those 3 outings, Scudamore did find 3 very useful contests to run him and running in this really poor contest off a mark of 77 is in a different league to those races. Looking back at those efforts, its a small bit worrying that he was very ponderous at his jumps over fences and clumsy over hurdles but the application of first time cheekpieces, in addition to a first time tongue tie, should hopefully help him concentrate better. Its been 110 days since his last run on the track and I'd be very surprised if Scudamore hasn't been gearing him towards this handicap debut ever since. The trainer's brother Tom Scudamore takes the ride and he should relish the return to proper good ground on which his best Point To Point performances came. With Michael Scudamore in good form with 2 winners and 3 places from his last 7 runners, if Fromthetop's Point To Point form is to be believed then he might make an absolutely mockery off 77 on his handicap debut and having already been supported in from 14/1 it very much looks as if the yard are trying to land a touch and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they do so easily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    With regards to Maarek, I'll be utterly stunned if he runs tomorrow. Absolutely needs cut in the ground and unless the heavens open (which looks very unlikely) then he'll be pulled. Far too valuable for connections to run him in a race this size on good to firm ground.

    If the ground somehow goes soft then I'd be all over him as he'd likely prove way too good for these on soft ground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭carmanard


    Was tempted to have a bet in the Greenlands at the curragh, but common sense dictates Maarek has to be a non runner given the ground so there'll be a Rule 4 if I play now, better off waiting. Also, the fact Marnane has four horses entered but only jockeys named for three of them complicates things too... I suppose the obvious thing is Maarek gets withdrawn & Frank Spencer then switches to Dandy Boy, assuming Marnane is going to run all four of his... Antious looks interesting, multiple winner down in SA, Queally is an eye catching booking... Might just wait to get the after-Maarek withdrawal market though, Rule 4 is a pain in the balls....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭Overthelast


    Going with 2 today. Gabrials kaka in the silver bowl, unbeaten 2yr old, 2 runs this yr were over too far and probably pitched too high against the likes of magician at chester, drop back in trip and class much more like it, and while 3yr old handicaps are ferocious, trainer won this last yr. The other one I like is bonsun breeze, carrying a weight that he should be competitive, ran a good race lto and has my favourite jockey Silvestre de Souza booked to get the job done. Ew singles & ew d for me. David o mearas string are blazing a trail at the moment so might find a small Yankee to cobble together some of his ones today.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭carmanard


    No obvious reasons why, but Campanology in the 4.25 at the Curragh and Red Avenger in the 3.15 at Haydock are sticking out at me, both have a level of form to deserve to be winning & have suitable conditions in their races, have to throw a couple of quid on them I think. And obviously get on the Boards Bet Of The Day in Ponty Acclaim & George Vancouver too... :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭SM746


    Fancy both Fromthetop (5/1) and Ruler of All (9/2) to go close at Ffos Las in the 610 and 715. Both backed to win and a small win double with it working out at 32/1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭sting60


    Jamsie ran a blinder last time out when I put him up here.He fell out of the stalls due to a bird flying into the stalls as they opened.The horse Im looking forward to watching is the horse I put up[one to follow] last January is Antious.He needs the run today im told but is bound for Royal Ascot along with Dandy Boy.All Marnanes horses are in great great order and worked really well in Dundalk last week.All his horses need top of the ground and all are trying today BUT their aim is Ascot.Miricle Cure should run well now the ground has come his way and over at Chester Kiama Bay is a top horse who has had no luck with the draw and according to John Quinn will win a big Handicap this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭sdoc13


    3.05 Goodwood. Moldowney.

    Have had this horse in my tracker since last year. Has been screaming out for further.

    Ran well when finishing 5th in his season debut at Epsom. Really good potential stayer and a few quid for him this morning.

    Fallon on board again and think there is still some value in the price.

    2pts win 9/2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 145 ✭✭Dubron


    Another for George Vancouver today, backed him for the English Guineas but with the run behind him and more importantly the firmer ground I'd expect him to at least place today. Looks to be 3rd or 4th string on jockey bookings but give me Pat Smullen over the others any day!

    What beats Sole Power? 2/1 at the moment with bet365 is more than fair, no rain forecast so as long as that ground is firm there aren't many better out there over 5f. Backed Slade Power on it's 2yo debut and every time since but that's a tough draw to win from so left it alone today, will be kicking myself if he bolts up as 10/1 was a silly price this morning.

    In the 3.30 at York I think Tiger Twenty Two is an each way steal at 6/1. Was a big price in the race Parbold won, dwelt when he came out of the stalls, was scrubbed along, ran all over the track, got a couple of reminders 3f out and came home like a train. Breeding would say 6f is plenty stiff enough and he did look outpaced in the early stages in that race but I think with the benefit of experience he'll go close today.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭jimjamcos


    Big drift on Reckless Abandon with Sole Power shortening. Hopefully market is accurate come race time!!

    C'MON THE SOLE POWER!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,931 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    rossom wrote: »
    2.55 York

    Ponty Aclaim 28/1

    Tim Easterby's Group 3 winning Juvenile Ponty Acclaim has slipped to a very dangerous mark of 91 and after an ok reappearance run over this C+D she may well be ready to add to her 4 2 year old successes. After winning that Group 3 in decent style on her final 2 year old start, Ponty Acclaim started off her 3 year old season with an absolutely belting run over this C+D when only finding the very highly rated Pearl Secret too good as she was beaten easily enough by 2L by that Colt but she did have to concede him 2lb and she was nearly 2L clear of the 3rd Caledonia Lady who went on to win a Group 3 herself later that season. She then ran in the King's Stand Group 1 when mid division before disappointing in a Listed contest and running well enough in another Listed race at Chester when beaten a little over 2L despite missing the break. Ponty Acclaim then returned to handicap company off a mark of 101 at York over 89 yards further than this with an absolutely belting run against her elders. Under Ted Ducan last August, Ponty Acclaim looked set to run a blinding 2nd before fading very badly in the last 50 yards to be beaten less than 2L in 7th. It was a tremendous effort for a 3 year old against older horses and a reproduction of that effort off a 10lb lower mark would certainly see her land this. She followed that run with a flat effort in a Listed contest at Beverley before running much better in a first time hood (retained since) at Beverley when a never nearer 2L beaten 3rd in a Conditions race and she followed that up with with a good 3rd in a Listed contest at Ascot on soft ground that wouldn't have suited. She was disappointing on her final 2 starts last year on soft ground but she fell in the handicap resultantly to a mark of 94 off which she made her reappearance over this C+D 9 days ago. She very much shaped as if she needed the run that day as she ended up being drawn on the wrong side of the track but David Allan certainly wasn't unnecessarily tough on her as she was beaten less than 6L. She should have come on a lot fitness wise for that run and the handicapper has relented a further 3lb and judged on some of her old form she looks dangerously well handicapped. Like so many others, Ponty Acclaim found it tough at a high level in 3 year old sprints last season but now a 4 year old I think she'll find life much easier back in handicaps. Duran Fentiman, who has won on her before, takes the ride and Tim Easterby has started to knock a few winners in with 3 in the past week and at 28/1 I certainly think she could cause a bit of surprise in this contest.
    Duran Fentiman (Ponty Acclaim) has never ridden a winner at York (58) rides


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,625 ✭✭✭✭Johner


    I love Sole Power but I'm going to stick with Reckless Abandon today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭jimjamcos


    Johner wrote: »
    I love Sole Power but I'm going to stick with Reckless Abandon today.

    Blasphemy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭droidman123


    Johner wrote: »
    I love Sole Power but I'm going to stick with Reckless Abandon today.

    I backed swiss spirit in that one johner @ 13/2. Was only beaten 3 and a half lenghts by top class society rock last time out on ground that
    Probably didn't suit. Sole power owes me nothing,but I think swiss spirit has a great chance today at a decent price.good luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,625 ✭✭✭✭Johner


    jimjamcos wrote: »
    2.15: Club Wexford Good word for it on here LTO and loads of money for it. Probably would of won with a better ride and seems to be money coming for it already. 4's into 3's with Boyles and 7/2 with PP.

    Going to back this aswell. If it had have won like it should have(shocker of a ride) it would be shorter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭klairondavis


    I didn't like the way Club Wexford flashed his tail when under pressure at Naas. If he's still as green under pressure today I can't see him winning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,961 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    I didn't like the way Club Wexford flashed his tail when under pressure at Naas. If he's still as green under pressure today I can't see him winning.

    me neither, shocking ride last time though
    i'd rather see him running over further
    I don't understand the drop back to 5 myself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,961 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    Johner wrote: »
    I love Sole Power but I'm going to stick with Reckless Abandon today.

    took 7/2 last night
    as big as 5s now
    Feeling really bad about that bet now
    hopefully there'll be a few quid around for it come race time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,961 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    maarek just confirmed out as expected


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