Are you law-abiding?

Smithwicks Man

Do you follow the law because it's the law and must be followed or do you make moral choices to suit yourself with regards to most things regardless of whether there is a law against it or not.

I'd say most people would be in the latter category and would "draw their own line "for the majority of so-called "victimless crimes".

Example A - Theft - Is it the law (and the consequences of getting caught) that's stopping you from stealing from other people or would you not do it regardless of the law?

Example B - Illegal drugs - Is it the law (and the consequences of getting caught) that's stopping you from taking them or would you just not take them regardless of what the law was regarding them.


TL/DR - Would you do something illegal if you didn't think there was anything wrong with it morally or do you follow the law at all costs?

(/In before "Thinly veiled Weed Thread" :pac: )

paulbok

Are you a Garda?

Valetta

No such thing as a victimless crime.

NothingMan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg

I'd download a car if I could!

SEPT 23 1989

I draw the line at murder

Wetbench4

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Do you follow the law because it's the law and must be followed or do you make moral choices to suit yourself with regards to most things regardless of whether there is a law against it or not.

I'd say most people would be in the latter category and would "draw their own line "for the majority of so-called "victimless crimes".

Example A - Theft - Is it the law (and the consequences of getting caught) that's stopping you from stealing from other people or would you not do it regardless of the law?

Example B - Illegal drugs - Is it the law (and the consequences of getting caught) that's stopping you from taking them or would you just not take them regardless of what the law was regarding them.


TL/DR - Would you do something illegal if you didn't think there was anything wrong with it morally or do you follow the law at all costs?

(/In before "Thinly veiled Weed Thread" :pac: )

Example A is immoral so whether its law or not i wouldn't steal from someone.

Example B Weed should be legal and i would have no problem getting some for myself, and two fingers to the law :pac:

johnny_knoxvile

Valetta wrote: »

No such thing as a victimless crime.

there is if you kill your imaginary friend.

Gott

Some laws are fairly sensible and follow what most people would consider to be moral. I would stick by those.

Others, like drug prohibitions or infringements on civil liberties, nope. It's my right to put whatever I want into my body and say whatever I want with the state interfering.

If I die from an overdose/get smacked in the jaw for my opinions, then that's simply a consequence of my actions. None of the government's business.

wp_rathead

Depends on the law
Remember it was against "the law" to sell contraception and be homosexual in this country not too long ago..

But Ithink your question is more about morals than laws:
Do you not do X because you feel it it innatly wrong

Id like to think it is my morals
If there was no law against murdering people I don't imagine it would mean I would instantly head out and start killing

Viper_JB

I'd like to think that common sense and personal freedom guide most of my actions...as opposed to laws thought up by committees of over paid eejits.

Smithwicks Man

paulbok wrote: »

Are you a Garda?

The question is am I a law-abiding Garda? ... Chin up.. You'll get the hang of it eventually!

The Backwards Man

I've never broken a law in my life.

Smithwicks Man

wprathead wrote: »

Depends on the law
Remember it was against "the law" to sell contraception and be homosexual in this country not too long ago..

But Ithink your question is more about morals than laws:
Do you not do X because you feel it it innatly wrong

Id like to think it is my morals
If there was no law against murdering people I don't imagine it would mean I would instantly head out and start killing

Exactly my line of thinking.

Was just wondering what people thought because over the last few days I've come across a few people that would hop around on one leg if the law said they had to!

machiavellianme

Valetta wrote: »

No such thing as a victimless crime.

Blasphemy!

Smithwicks Man

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I've never broken a law in my life.

Seriously? :eek:

The Backwards Man

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Seriously? :eek:

Seriously.

castletownman

I'm a model citizen. I have never walked on grass where a sign tells me not to do so. I always wait for the green man when crossing the road. I never spend any longer than a minute over the allotted time in a pay parking zone.

The_Gatsby

OP, your question is very hard to answer. I wouldn't kill because morally, I don't believe it's right. However, I think a convicted pedophile deserves to die. Does that mean I'm contradicting myself? Am I on the side that believes in laws based upon personal morals?

Clandestine

I live my life according to the law as best as I can but I would break a law or rule if I felt it morally right.

P_1

If something I do doesn't harm somebody else I do it, even if some piece of paper says that I shouldn't do it

Clandestine

The_Gatsby wrote: »

However, I think a convicted pedophile deserves to die.

What do you mean convicted pedophile? You mean someone who has viewed illegal images of children, or someone who has touched kids inappropriately?

Remember, some of these people who want to change are cursed with a terrible affliction and need help to change their ways, not a bullet to the head.

Wetbench4

castletownman wrote: »

I'm a model citizen. I have never walked on grass where a sign tells me not to do so. I always wait for the green man when crossing the road. I never spend any longer than a minute over the allotted time in a pay parking zone.

If you were a german citizen in nazi germany in the late 30's, would you be proud to be a model citizen?

bgrizzley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Seriously.

that makes you better than Jesus. We are not worthy!

Clandestine

Wetbench4 wrote: »

If you were a german citizen in nazi germany in the late 30's, would you be proud to be a model citizen?

Where did this come from?

I am very law abiding, but I am well aware that is largely because of my age and social background. A better question is are we inherently law abiding or are we socially constructed to obey the law.

sin0city

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Seriously.

Come on :eek:

Speed limit?

The_Gatsby

Clandestine wrote: »

What do you mean convicted pedophile? You mean someone who has viewed illegal images of children, or someone who has touched kids inappropriately?

Remember, some of these people who want to change are cursed with a terrible affliction and need help to change their ways, not a bullet to the head.

Ok, maybe my statement was a bit black and white. I mean the most serious of offenders. If somebody's affliction is so bad that they could commit such terrible crimes then I don't think they can be healed. What's the point in giving somebody a life sentence and having them sucking up resources like counselling etc when they're never going to be integrated back into society. I know it's a pretty ignorant and negative view to have but I just don't see the point in keeping them alive.

The Backwards Man

bgrizzley wrote: »

that makes you better than Jesus. We are not worthy!

Nothing. I've just never been caught.

Wetbench4

Clandestine wrote: »

Where did this come from?

Well my point is the government and the law isn't always correct, and its much better to think than to blindly follow.

Clandestine

Wetbench4 wrote: »

Well my point is the government and the law isn't always correct, and its much better to think than to blindly follow.

I agree, but the sudden shift from "I follow the law of my country" to "would you follow the laws in Nazi Germany?" was a bit odd i thought.
Nevermind.

bgrizzley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Nothing. I've just never been caught.

so you are a law breaker, welcome back to the human race!:P

Wetbench4

Clandestine wrote: »

I agree, but the sudden shift from "I follow the law of my country" to "would you follow the laws in Nazi Germany?" was a bit odd i thought.
Nevermind.

Sorry, but i was trying to think of a society where it was right to break the law and thats the first that came to mind. Also i'm odd myself at the best of times :-)

Nemeses

Would I be classed as rebellious for not taxing my car?

Uriel.

johnny_knoxvile wrote: »

there is if you kill your imaginary friend.

Unless your imaginary friend has an imaginary partner or imaginary children - they'd be victims for sure.

Wetbench4

Nemeses wrote: »

Would I be classed as rebellious for not taxing my car?

You're already somewhere in hell, id say go for it, what's the worse that could happen? Two weeks in the joy with playstations & budgies galore.:D

The Backwards Man

bgrizzley wrote: »

so you are a law breaker, welcome back to the human race!:P

No, I'm not.

Nemeses

The Backwards Man wrote: »

No, I'm not.

But you've confessed to boards that you haven't been caught..


You're a law breaker... Sorry dude.. You should have said nawtin'

flutterflye

Why is there no poll? I want a poll.

flutterflye

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I draw the line at murder

Even murder - There could be times where it is less 'wrong' than others though.
Can't come up with any situation where rape, especially pedophilia would ever be less 'wrong' - That's honestly the only thing I can think of that I can say with 100% certainty that I would never do.

The Backwards Man

Nemeses wrote: »

But you've confessed to boards that you haven't been caught..


You're a law breaker... Sorry dude.. You should have said nawtin'

What law have I broken?;)

TPD

My following of a law is a balance between how just I think the law is and how likely I am to be caught.

Smithwicks Man

flutterflye wrote: »

Why is there no poll? I want a poll.

Done!

Nemeses

The Backwards Man wrote: »

What law have I broken?;)

Ok, prove to me you've never broken the law instead of me proving you have broken the law

laoch na mona

i follow most laws but its not because i respect the law it is that the law happens to for the most part coincide with what I view as acceptable

Smithwicks Man

laoch na mona wrote: »

i follow most laws but its not because i respect the law it is that the law happens to for the most part coincide with what I view as acceptable

Seems to be the case with the majority, yet there are certain instances where a law is disagreed with by the majority!

Gorilla Rising

Wetbench4 wrote: »

If you were a german citizen in nazi germany in the late 30's, would you be proud to be a model citizen?

22 posts in. Gotta be record.

JoeB-

We take our cues from our politicians. They are our role models.

So I reckon it's ok to lie and cheat, to steal and to misrepresent.


WikiLeaks has proven that our own government, role model to us all, is more than capable of lying to us if they want.

I support a movement, CCAC, Concerned Citizens against Corruption, and I think we should march on politicians houses and drag them out and force them to account for their decisions. If they refuse there should be consequences.

The Backwards Man

Nemeses wrote: »

Ok, prove to me you've never broken the law instead of me proving you have broken the law

Innocent until proven guilty.

laoch na mona

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Seems to be the case with the majority, yet there are certain instances where a law is disagreed with by the majority!

if i see no benefit socially then as far as i am concerned the law has no meaning

but then again i'm a bit of an anarcho-syndaclist at heart:D

long range shooter

I am A law abiding citizen,but i wouldnt hesitate to use a firearm in self defence if intruders come into my house,and for some reason the Irish law favours the criminal.
So it's hard to be a law abiding citizen if that should happen.

Real Life

I aint saying nothing. go suck a lemon.