David Harvey ?

Anto Bean

Why has he been axed from 4fm?

Bard

Well someone, commenting on a RadioNation article, said: "I rang the station last week and was told that David had other projects which he had to take care of and that they were sorry to lose him"...

I dunno... draw your own conclusions! The only ones who can really answer "why" are Harvey or the station themselves.

Anto Bean

4fm should cut out their bull**** and tell the truth.

Bard

Anto Bean wrote: »

4fm should cut out their bull**** and tell the truth.

And what makes you think they're not telling the truth?

neris

Bard wrote: »

And what makes you think they're not telling the truth?

Surely they could have had one of his many stand ins do the show while hes gone if hes left give it to one of them as a full time gig.

Anto Bean

Bard wrote: »

And what makes you think they're not telling the truth?

Because they dropped the show altogether and replaced it with extra hours of music.

Bard

Anto Bean wrote: »

Because they dropped the show altogether and replaced it with extra hours of music.

Nothing about that suggests that they weren't telling the truth by saying that David left to work on other projects or that they were sorry to see him go!

msg11

If 4FM put him on a night he would be a close competitor to the phone show I would think. Same style of show.

Travismccoy

4FM had two talk shows - Harvey and Boylan. To serve their 20% news quota, they only needed one. Someone decided that Harvey and his support team (I assume) were no longer required and chose to stick with the late night talk format. At least one salary is removed and 4FM can play more music.

Most of the time, people here call for more music on stations, now 4FM give that and people still complain!

msg11

Travismccoy wrote: »

4FM had two talk shows - Harvey and Boylan. To serve their 20% news quota, they only needed one. Someone decided that Harvey and his support team (I assume) were no longer required and chose to stick with the late night talk format. At least one salary is removed and 4FM can play more music.

Most of the time, people here call for more music on stations, now 4FM give that and people still complain!

98FM should contact his team and get him in then the Joan Lee show out of there.

heybaby

Never warmed to Harvey myself but the decision to get rid of Harvey would have been purely a financial one, he would have commanded a hefty wage by industry standards. By getting rid of him and by Fogarty and O Callaghan now being scheduled back to back with Suzanne Kane doing an extra hour 4FM will save themselves a substantial wage while streamlining their schedule by playing just music throughout the day.

jimmy2flutes

Bard wrote: »

Nothing about that suggests that they weren't telling the truth by saying that David left to work on other projects or that they were sorry to see him go!

Jesus man, can you take your nose out of 4fm's arse for a minute and be objective about it.

Cost cutting, plain and simple. There was nothing stopping David Harvey run city channel, and Midas productions before he took on 4fm, so there should be no reason why he couldnt continue to do it.

Bard

jimmy2flutes wrote: »

Cost cutting, plain and simple. There was nothing stopping David Harvey run city channel, and Midas productions before he took on 4fm, so there should be no reason why he couldnt continue to do it.

I've no argument with your point here but the fact remains that I don't know the exact reasons for the station cutting the show and neither do you.

Calling the station liars just because they said he wanted to work on other things and they were sorry to see him go is a bit much in fairness!

heybaby

jimmy2flutes wrote: »

Jesus man, can you take your nose out of 4fm's arse for a minute and be objective about it.

Cost cutting, plain and simple. There was nothing stopping David Harvey run city channel, and Midas productions before he took on 4fm, so there should be no reason why he couldnt continue to do it.

Bard is correct, this I'd purely a financial move. I've been saying for sometime that 4fm are in deep financial difficulty, its a mystery to many how they continue to operate even in their current form where their wagebill is a fraction of what it once was. For a quasi national radio station to have fractionally more listeners in Dublin than Phantom 4 years since its inception is nothing short of a failure, regardless of 4fm's relative success in Cork and Limerick.

Dublin as far as 4fm is concerned is the only market that matters. Sunshine, a station run on a shoestring, even after its successive format and name changes still outperforms 4fm and that's even after it's own recent drop in listeners.

Harvey's departure is confirmation that the purse strings at 4fm are getting tighter ànd tighter and there will come a tipping point when the station will be no more. Very hard to have sympathy with a station that signed its on air talent up for 3 year contracts in the beginning only to change its name, its format and its lineup within those 3 years.

Bard

heybaby wrote: »

Bard is correct, this [is] purely a financial move.

That may certainly be the case, but it's not what I said.

heybaby

Bard wrote: »

That may certainly be the case, but it's not what I said.

Sorry Bard, I quoted you in error, meant Jimmy two Flutes.

jimmy2flutes

Bard wrote: »

I've no argument with your point here but the fact remains that I don't know the exact reasons for the station cutting the show and neither do you.

Calling the station liars just because they said he wanted to work on other things and they were sorry to see him go is a bit much in fairness!

So would you take every press release that came from any radio, television, media outlet as being the truth because 'we dont know the exact reasons'?

You sir, are VERY naive in the radio business so, if you take every one at their word.

Maybe you would like to see a press release like this so:

The management of 4fm are delighted to see the back of David Harvey, as he was costing us too much, and the reality is, we can put on another hour of music as nothing else matters except the bottom line. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

todolist

I don't think David's show was a ratings winner.Hard to compete with the tax payer funded Duffy show over on Pravda.

gordongekko

Any chance they are making room in their budget for the ex off the ball team?

Anto Bean

gordongekko wrote: »

Any chance they are making room in their budget for the ex off the ball team?

4FM can hardy afford to keep going as they are, let alone take on 5 sports presenters.

RoundyMooney

I thought they'd turned things around a bit-I think with the exception of Niall B, who does what he does very well, the quality of the station's output has fallen off a cliff of late. It looked promising at the outset, but when things started going South, they resorted to ditching the format they started with, and autotracking everything to abysmal effect. It was actually appalling for many months, tracks playing over the news etc., day and night. A station that was literally running off a hard drive.

Then the new management team came in, and it became a typical music station. They even started getting ads again. I thought they'd come back from the brink, even though IMO it was at that point only a shadow of what it promised to be at the outset. Over time, the playlists have become ever more cheesy and naff, pure mass produced pop with very few quality tracks in the mix (the less said for G' OC and his penchant for such things, the better).

Still, disappointing if they are still in trouble, not least because it illustrates that the market can't support such a station (especially in the form the BAI gave them the license for first day).

phelixoflaherty

Anto Bean wrote: »

Because they dropped the show altogether and replaced it with extra hours of music.

They replaced it with extra hours of CLASSIC HITS..

Barna77

All the rednecks down the country must be raging about this. Guess they're calling Joe to complain...


Sick of listening to the endless complaints about foreigners, foreigners and foreigners. And I'll say in advance that if I had the choice I wouldn't listen to this show but they have it on at work... Well, had.

todolist

Barna77 wrote: »

All the rednecks down the country must be raging about this. Guess they're calling Joe to complain...


Sick of listening to the endless complaints about foreigners, foreigners and foreigners. And I'll say in advance that if I had the choice I wouldn't listen to this show but they have it on at work... Well, had.

A lot of people in real life do complain about foreigners and the change in the country yet it was never reflected on Duffy's rte show.Never hear that discussed or the huge salaries Joe and the gang get.

neris

todolist wrote: »

A lot of people in real life do complain about foreigners and the change in the country yet it was never reflected on Duffy's rte show.Never hear that discussed or the huge salaries Joe and the gang get.

Joe lives in a perfect world where everything is politically correct, everyone is on massive salaries and suicide and misery are the staple diet that keeps the world turning. At least harvey discussed what was topical and let callers debate and even argue with each other.

Anto Bean

Anytime I listened to the Harvey show the topics were foreigners, the dole or foreigners on the dole. I would like to hear a broader rage of topics on Irish radio but Harveys show was just trash for narrow minded people and trools

Chris 80

I reckon its a cost issue. There are sooooo many radio stations now that it's hard to compete. I for one wouldn't mind hearing more music on the radio. Too many teams chitter chattering at that time of the day. Sometimes you just want music.

Bard

jimmy2flutes wrote: »

So would you take every press release that came from any radio, television, media outlet as being the truth because 'we dont know the exact reasons'?

You sir, are VERY naive in the radio business so, if you take every one at their word.

No, I wouldn't take every press release from every outlet at their word, and no I'm not 'very naive' in the business.

The fact is that in this case, I know and have worked with the people involved personally and know that there's more to it than JUST a 'cost cutting' exercise. That said, the statement that the station made is still a perfectly true one and I wouldn't expect them to explain the situation any further than that.

jimmy2flutes

There you go again with your vague statements about what you know is going on inside a radio station. Come out and say what you know or just don't bother posting as you are sounding more like a spoofer every day.

So with your extensive past work with 4fm, if you know the REAL reason why David Harvey was canned, then please enlighten the radio world.

Bard

No, I won't.

I've no intention of releasing that kind of sensitive information just because some anonymous randomer on the Internet named 'jimmy2flutes' thinks he's entitled to know everything and demands it. If the station wanted to say more on the matter, they already would have. Under the circumstances, I don't blame them for not doing so.

bbability

4fm has turned full circle now. Why didn't the regulator just give Q102 a multi city licence and be done with it. It had huge promise but for me I preferred it where it sounded 3 years ago.

heybaby

bbability wrote: »

4fm has turned full circle now. Why didn't the regulator just give Q102 a multi city licence and be done with it. It had huge promise but for me I preferred it where it sounded 3 years ago.

For me the 4fm story perfectly illustrates how utterly useless the BAI is. They put out to tender a multi city license and asked for applications, you then had various candidates putting together their offering. Based on their plan 4fm won the beauty contest but that submitted plan bears absolutely no resemblance to what 4fm do now. Is this total change in identity fair to the other candidates in the tendering process? I don't think so. Also if the Bai are so willing to bend over and yield to a failing stations demands to go back to the drawing board and do the opposite of what was in their winning license application, then why have the BAI at all?

jimmy2flutes

bbability wrote: »

4fm has turned full circle now. Why didn't the regulator just give Q102 a multi city licence and be done with it. It had huge promise but for me I preferred it where it sounded 3 years ago.

Lofty ideas, a great plan, little advertising = more music!

So its music during the day, and a piss poor talk show at night. Where has that idea been done before? :mad:

marconi2.0

You Sir are talking out of your backside, "piss poor" did you not see the last JNLR's what is your idea of a good talk show then, probably something out of the stone age talking about good old Catholic Ireland

Conmaicne Mara

Anto Bean wrote: »

Because they dropped the show altogether and replaced it with extra hours of music.

Fantastic news. Now, if they'd do that with that Boylan lad as well it would make 4fm the bestest station.

jimmy2flutes

marconi2.0 wrote: »

You Sir are talking out of your backside, "piss poor" did you not see the last JNLR's what is your idea of a good talk show then, probably something out of the stone age talking about good old Catholic Ireland

Well there is already a thread and the pros and mainly cons of the 4fm talk show so seeing as you are a new member, I should refer you to that. But thanks for taking time to register a new username to stand up for him.

marconi2.0

jimmy2flutes wrote: »

Well there is already a thread and the pros and mainly cons of the 4fm talk show so seeing as you are a new member, I should refer you to that. But thanks for taking time to register a new username to stand up for him.

You didn't answer my question, and what is your problem with it, if I wanted to post in the other thread I would have, but I was responding to your idiotic remarks

TBP

marconi2.0 wrote: »

You didn't answer my question, and what is your problem with it, if I wanted to post in the other thread I would have, but I was responding to your idiotic remarks

Not to sure about Jimmy but my idea of a good talk show would be one that doesn't cover the same topics over and over and one that doesn't have the same callers banging the same drum on those same topics night after night. In relation to the JNLR figures, despite a bit of a rise in listeners it isn't anything to write home about. Come back to me in 5 years time if they continue to grow and grow.

todolist

Irish radio is pretty mediocre.The over paid people like Duffy, Tubrity,Mooney,Marian etc are average at best.The get huge salaries because tax payers cough up the money and their is no fair competition.I don't listen to any Irish radio station.

Rightwing

I had the misfortune of hearing this show on a few occasions. Baffled me on 4fm could take themselves seriously with the tripe that was on.

Audience had a mental age of about 5.

TBP

Anto Bean wrote: »

Anytime I listened to the Harvey show the topics were foreigners, the dole or foreigners on the dole. I would like to hear a broader rage of topics on Irish radio but Harveys show was just trash for narrow minded people and trools

Is he joining them in the queues this weather or what is he up to I wonder?