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Wallace V Shatter

  • 17-05-2013 08:49PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭


    I am on the side of Wallace. Better if Alan Shatter had spent his time explaining to us why Clare Daly needed to be handcuffed on detention!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    I dislike Mick Wallace as a political representative.

    But as I said in politics thread, it is wrong for a Minister for Justice, who has no legitimate reason to be aware of a TD's Garda record, to bring that record into a live political debate.

    Shatter is an unpopular figure within Government, and a media hunt will easily succeed in destroying him for something like this, if they are determined enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Axe Rake


    Riveting tale old chap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Anynama141


    Wallace is a proven crook and a proven hypocrite. He makes Fianna Failure look good. It was a mistake for Shatter to reveal his latest hypocrisy though - he should just have leaked it to the press.


  • Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not a notion ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    Not a notion ?


    I think we're meant to use the force here :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    Both idiots. Wallace is a big stupid hypocrite who ploughs through what people are trying to say with not an ounce of irony (the man owed millions and never declared it and just looked stupid and dumbfounded when questioned on this PLUS he never resigned over it) and Shatter has to be one of the most unpopular ministers ever, what with closing every Garda station in the land and he even talked over what Pat Kenny said about Gardai looking after people they know ("News to me", said Shatter, you fcuking clown :mad:). Both as bad as each other. Plus, get a haircut Wallace you look a complete mess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    Is it to the death or just a 3 round thing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    Wallace is such a good-for-nothing crusty. He has even lost the support of the usual professional protestor set.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Anynama141


    Both idiots. Wallace is a big stupid hypocrite who ploughs through what people are trying to say with not an ounce of irony (the man owed millions and never declared it and just looked stupid and dumbfounded when questioned on this PLUS he never resigned over it) and Shatter has to be one of the most unpopular ministers ever, what with closing every Garda station in the land and he even talked over what Pat Kenny said about Gardai looking after people they know ("News to me", said Shatter, you fcuking clown :mad:). Both as bad as each other. Plus, get a haircut Wallace you look a complete mess.
    I'm no fan of Shatter, but he's not on the same planet as the incompetent lying, thieving crook that Wallace is. I'm sure Shatter would love to be opening cop shops if FFailure didn't bankrupt us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Handcuffs should be mandatory with every police dealing with politicians. Nothing better for snapping politicians sphincters shut and keeping them in line than the thought of some nice press photos with them wearing the old steel bracelets.


  • Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    It's been a sunshine day today. Sunbathing and beers. I had no time for the doom and gloom news :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    Anynama141 wrote: »
    I'm no fan of Shatter, but he's not on the same planet as the incompetent lying, thieving crook that Wallace is. I'm sure Shatter would love to be opening cop shops if FFailure didn't bankrupt us.

    Closing cop shops isnt the answer, he hasnt the balls (like most of his fellow FG-Labour ers) to go after the big bankers, the consultants pay and all the other Dail-related waste of money that could be tackled before looking at Gardai. I very much doubt he lost the privilege of a 24 hr gaurd around his own home...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Anynama141


    Closing cop shops isnt the answer, he hasnt the balls (like most of his fellow FG-Labour ers) to go after the big bankers, the consultants pay and all the other Dail-related waste of money that could be tackled before looking at Gardai. I very much doubt he lost the privilege of a 24 hr gaurd around his own home...
    Ah jaysus.

    Another believer in the magical money tree. Who exactly are these 'big bankers'?? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I'm no fan of Wallace, but I wouldn't even take a dump in shatters house if I was allowed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    Was Wallace not part of the musketeers who released the personal information of thousands of people taken without authorisation from the Garda pulse system? But now he has a problem with his own information being accessed. Seems a bit hypocritical.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Anynama141 wrote: »
    Ah jaysus.

    Another believer in the magical money tree. Who exactly are these 'big bankers'?? :confused:

    Anynama missed all the headlines a few weeks back I presume?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Anynama141


    SamHall wrote: »
    I'm no fan of Wallace, but I wouldn't even take a dump in shatters house if I was allowed.
    I'm baffled how you could think the tax fraudster/corrupt hypocrite Wallace is on a higher plane than Shatter. But each to their own.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Anynama141


    SamHall wrote: »
    Anynama missed all the headlines a few weeks back I presume?
    No, I follow the news pretty closely. Can you point at what you are referring to?

    Which 'bankers' are we supposed to pursue to fill a €10,000,000,000 deficit in public spending?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Anynama141 wrote: »
    No, I follow the news pretty closely. Can you point at what you are referring to?

    Which 'bankers' are we supposed to pursue to fill a €10,000,000,000 deficit in public spending?

    You don't follow it that closely when you weren't aware of what the FG party had in their manifesto tbh.

    I didn't see any poster refer to any imaginary sum of money you just conjured up there either, but each to their own.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Anynama141


    SamHall wrote: »
    You don't follow it that closely when you weren't aware of what the FG party had in their manifesto tbh.

    I didn't see any poster refer to any imaginary sum of money you just conjured up there either, but each to their own.
    Sorry, which 'bankers' are you talking about, which headlines, and how are we supposed to close a €10,00,000,000 deficit without tax hikes and spending cuts?

    I'm trying to get behind the lazy sloganeering here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Anynama141 wrote: »
    Sorry, which 'bankers' are you talking about, which headlines, and how are we supposed to close a €10,00,000,000 deficit without tax hikes and spending cuts?

    I'm trying to get behind the lazy sloganeering here.

    I never mentioned any bankers, that wasn't my post.

    But you asked which bankers that poster was referring to, it was all over the news a few weeks back about a certain banker, on an 800k plus salary, despite the bank he works for operating on a couple of billion euro loss per year.

    Google is your friend tonight, it'll take you less than thirty seconds I'd imagine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    What does Clare Daly expect? She blows positive for alcohol the week after she criticises the whole police force and calls them corrupt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Both as bad as each other.
    Sorry but I have to disagree here.

    There is a danger here of people dismissing what happened as political tit for tat.

    Yes, Wallace defrauded you and me - the Gardaí were not involved, but he defrauded the taxpayer, which is reprehensible - agreed. Lets park that there for a moment.

    Last night, on a 100% different matter, Alan Shatter tried to make political capital out of Mick Wallace's Garda record. He used his privileged position as Minister for Justice to tuck an individual's record up his sleeve, and then bring it into the debate to undermine that individual... do people recognize what a serious thing that is to do?

    Is this how we want our Minister for Justice conducting himself?

    This country is not some semi-autocratic Central European statelet. We just cannot have a Minister for Justice bringing people's private records into the public sphere to politically assassinate them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Anynama141


    SamHall wrote: »


    I never mentioned any bankers, that wasn't my post.

    But you asked which bankers that poster was referring to, it was all over the news a few weeks back about a certain banker, on an 800k plus salary, despite the bank he works for operating on a couple of billion euro loss per year.

    Google is your friend tonight, it'll take you less than thirty seconds I'd imagine.
    I'm well aware of the story.

    I've no idea how we are supposed to 'go after' him in a manner that will save Garda Stations. He's employee of a private company and the government does not determine what he earns.

    Is that it then? Is he the 'big banker' that we should somehow 'go after'? Even if we take his whole salary (which is presumably illegal and unconstitutional), it's still only another 400k odd towards saving our Garda stations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Anynama141


    This country is not some semi-autocratic Central European statelet. We just cannot have a Minister for Justice bringing people's private records into the public sphere to politically assassinate them.
    I agree with you re. Shatter's revealing that info in his own capacity.

    But if Wallace has survived tax fraud and everything else he's managed in his short career in politics, I don't think anyone believes pointing out another example of hypocrisy is likely to result in his 'assassination', more's the pity.

    Him and Ming have done incalculable damage to the credibility of the other honest independents.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    i vote for putting the two of them in a sack and beating the **** out of the sack and not being worried about which one got the worst of the beating., a la dara o briain,
    a pair of self serving greasy gangsters


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Anynama141


    i vote for putting the two of them in a sack and beating the **** out of the sack and not being worried about which one got the worst of the beating., a la dara o briain,
    a pair of self serving greasy gangsters
    Again, I'm no fan at all of Shatter - but he's committed no crimes and been linked to no corruption. I don't agree with a lot of his policy, but that's about the worst I can say about him. He's like Eamonn Ryan of the Greens, or Joan Collins of the ULA, or Mary Lou MacDonald of Sinn Fein.

    Irish people are gas though. We lump in ordinary politicians with complete crooks, and label them the same. And we vote for people we KNOW are crooks because we think they will put a few bob in our pockets or do us some favours. And then we wonder why the country is bankrupt. Jesus wept.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    SamHall wrote: »


    I never mentioned any bankers, that wasn't my post.

    But you asked which bankers that poster was referring to, it was all over the news a few weeks back about a certain banker, on an 800k plus salary, despite the bank he works for operating on a couple of billion euro loss per year.

    Google is your friend tonight, it'll take you less than thirty seconds I'd imagine.

    I propose we pay all 'bankers' a thruppence a week alongside basic lodgings and 3 square meals a day. That will attract the calibre of candidate we need to run organisations so systemic to the economic recovery of the country.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    I've defended Shatter in the past but this is dirty politics, I don't care for it.


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