Cottage devon /lgl

micky mouse

which of these bulls is throwing the best calves

bogman_bass

DEZ is throwing great calves but you would want to have the jack well oiled for him.

I know I said that I didnt think that LGL wouldn't breed well but I've been proven wrong. Great shape and growth rate. Farmers who have used him are very pleased with him.

Just goes to show that it doesnt matter a damn what a bull looks like, its what his calves look like that maters

micky mouse

How would you rate cloverfield excellent against lgl.

bogman_bass

couldnt say. I have no experience of him and have heard nothing about him maybe some of the others on here could say

foxfield21

LGL I would say, have better all round calves on ground and good maternal traits..
Had 2 DEZ bulls and could not sell them, calving figures scared the living daylights out of any customers, moved them eventually but would have been better hanging them on hook!
Having said that all DEZ bulls we had out of PB cows, never had to use the jack!

limo_100

i was at a beef open night in carrigallen last week they were talking about LGL they said that his weanlings will rival a blue bulls weanlings that hes the best charolais they have seen for weanlings. I think it would be interesting if someone like legwax used him and see how he does compare to the blues

Dampintheattic

micky mouse wrote: »

How would you rate cloverfield excellent against lgl.

I have three excellent calves this year. All heifers. All had to be jacked, but not much pressure. Just cows were slower than I would be comfortable with, so put on the the jack.
Extremely happy with how they are all progressing so far.

micky mouse

Doubt that he will. I have good calves off him but dont know if they will have the same muscle i had off 52 and bosco

adne

Have one from him, great shape to him, not much length.
Very tight pull though, how have people found him for calving?

pakalasa

I have one LGL calf. Happy enough. Found him easy calving, but wouldn't mind using another Char bull this year along with him.

DoonallyNew

DEZ throwing very good, even calves. Had a batch of heifers of him last year and got on well with them at the suck sales. Poor maternal figures so I didn't chance holding on to them. Anybody have any calves of Angelus this year?

Seaba

We've had about 8 DEZs in the last 2 years, no LGLs. Great calves. Very happy with them. No trouble calving but we watch what we feed them close to calving. AI man thinks we are crazy when we order DEZ but we have never had any trouble.

pakalasa

Explain this to me - If CF52 was such a good bull, how come the AI companies don't have other bulls sired by him? Surely they could buy a few bulls by him, test them all and keep the easiest calving one.
Is it to avoid in-breeding or poor maternal or something?

Dampintheattic

pakalasa wrote: »

Explain this to me - If CF52 was such a good bull, how come the AI companies don't have other bulls sired by him? Surely they could buy a few bulls by him, test them all and keep the easiest calving one.
Is it to avoid in-breeding or poor maternal or something?

I had a bull sired by 52. Never once used the jack on his calves.
Kept 8 heifers from him for breeding over two years. Three of them had their third calf this spring. The others on their second calf.
No bother on the milk side whatsoever. Great animals to throw out a calf. Loads of room in them.
If there is milk in the back breeding in your cows, a drop if CF52 blood won't kill it off, IMO.

limo_100

pakalasa wrote: »

Explain this to me - If CF52 was such a good bull, how come the AI companies don't have other bulls sired by him? Surely they could buy a few bulls by him, test them all and keep the easiest calving one.
Is it to avoid in-breeding or poor maternal or something?

they did have a few over the years VCR and S626 the only problem with from what i have heard is they were unlucky they ended up dying young

towzer2010

pakalasa wrote: »

Explain this to me - If CF52 was such a good bull, how come the AI companies don't have other bulls sired by him? Surely they could buy a few bulls by him, test them all and keep the easiest calving one.
Is it to avoid in-breeding or poor maternal or something?

LIMKILN BOSCO (KIB) was out of 52 and was very popular round here anyway.

Bigbird1

How's lgl for calving,any trouble?

micky mouse

towzer2010 wrote: »

LIMKILN BOSCO (KIB) was out of 52 and was very popular round here anyway.

Some calves out of him alright,lgl not a patch on him.I myself dont think lgl is near as good as progressive are making him out to be Was telling a lad last year that i was using lgl on me cows.He said hes a good bull but you wont be having muscle.This guy is known around elphin for been a good producer of top quality weanlings every year.Another man that i know ,keeps all hes bull weanlings and sells them as top store bullocks in elphin every year .He was telling me that the only ch bull that he is using is cloverfield and he is very happy with his batch of calves this year
As regards the ai man thinking that ye are mad for using dez,its just all down to the feeding.I used FLU for years and he was a hard calving bull.Never once had i a problem

pakalasa

FLU is 9.7% for calving, DEZ is 17.4%. Bit of a difference between the two.
DEZ and LGL are the same at 119 for muscle, according to ICBF.

Seaba

FLU!! Now that's a blast from the past! Bit like the limousin PAN - loved the name. Ya, we used to use FLU also and had no trouble either - again we never pack it into our cows too much especially before calving. Thinking back to 'those days' we used to have great calves from CF42, before CF52 came along.

micky mouse

KMP. there,s another blast for ya.Those bulls could fairly throw out the stock;)

Bodacious

id give lgl calves the edge over dez at the moment.. definitely more muscled