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Luas cross city line

  • 16-05-2013 09:51AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭


    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/varadkar-to-sign-contracts-for-luas-cross-city-line-594581.html

    As Limerick man, this bothers me because our public transport is terrible. We literally only have a bus service and it's substandard. All we have been given are the electronic timetables! I'm sure it's like that for other counties too (Bar Dublin of course).

    Secondly, Would that money not be better off spent on a rail link to Dublin airport? I think that possibly 2 of the major public transport projects that need to go ahead in this country are rail links from Limerick to Shannon airport, and Dublin to Dublin airport.

    Are people really that bothered by the 2 Luas lines not being linked? It should be done at some stage, but in the economic climate were in at the minute, surely spending €370m would be better off spent on bring more people from the airports or being spent elsewhere. :confused:

    What does AH think?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/varadkar-to-sign-contracts-for-luas-cross-city-line-594581.html

    As Limerick man, this bothers me because our public transport is terrible. We literally only have a bus service and it's substandard. All we have been given are the electronic timetables! I'm sure it's like that for other counties too (Bar Dublin of course).

    Secondly, Would that money not be better off spent on a rail link to Dublin airport? I think that possibly 2 of the major public transport projects that need to go ahead in this country are rail links from Limerick to Shannon airport, and Dublin to Dublin airport.

    Are people really that bothered by the 2 Luas lines not being linked? It should be done at some stage, but in the economic climate were in at the minute, surely spending €370m would be better off spent on bring more people from the airports or being spent elsewhere. :confused:

    What does AH think?
    The only realistic Dublin airport link is metro north and will cost about 2.5 bl, currently shelfed. Dart underground at a cost of 2.5 bl (I think) was shelfed and is by far the most important infrastructure project. It would benefit the entire country


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Kev_2012 wrote: »

    What does AH think?

    Well, they've already built a bridge, would be a waste not to get over it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    Well, they've already built a bridge, would be a waste not to get over it.

    yeah...


  • Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    Secondly, Would that money not be better off spent on a rail link to Dublin airport?

    Sure why would you want that? It has only been on the plans for decades!! There are even tunnels and an underground 'Train Station' under T1, which has now been converted into a check in area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    It consistently pisses me off that all these thigns happen in Dublin, and I'm from Dublin. I'm living in Limerick, and if I want to get a train to most places, I have to get a connecting train from Dublin. Fucking Dublin! The rail system is a complete joke. Dublin doesn't need an underground rail, it's not as sprawling as London, New York or any other place with one, and it would basically make the Luas redundant, a massive waste. Fix other stuff, you bloody shitehawks!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Simples - more people = more need.

    When as many people rely on or would use the service you're proposing then its worth discussing.


  • Administrators Posts: 55,229 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Great news, the Luas should be connected.

    They also need to introduce more lines, probably a line (or 2) that goes in a ring around the city rather than in to town.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 DaithiOGormain


    In my opinion, Metro North is needed far more than a tram line to Broombridge. It would connect Swords, the Airport, Ballymun, DCU and the city centre, all of which have huge populations or numbers of travellers and commuters who travel to and from them daily and are only served by mediocre bus services. I definitely don't think that Shannon Airport needs a rail link, would cost more than it would be worth. I don't see the need for any international airports outside Dublin anyway to be quite honest, they should all be used as regional airports, including closing Aldergrove (which is actually my nearest airport). Investment would be better being put into one hub airport rather than loads of local airports with international flights.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    If you want infrastructure solely for the reason that "them up there in that Dublin get everything", you can end up with the Western Fail Corridor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    It's not that "Them up there in Dublin get everything", it's that while places like Limerick, Sligo, so on, are basically falling apart at the seams, what's going on elsewhere? Great, new transport! We need that! Oh, in Dublin? Where they have the Luas, the Dart, a bus service that covers the entire county? Oh. Well, I guess I'll just stand in the pissing rain for a bus that might not turn up.

    I know there's a lot more to building tracks than just sticking them on the floor Gromit style, but not having to go all the way up to Dublin to get to Sligo, or Portarlington to get to Galway, would be a real treat. God forbid you wanna go somewhere in Donegal. If I want to get a train to Wexford, I have to go to Dublin, and go all the way back down. It's absurd.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Limerick city is small enough to walk around


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Limerick city is small enough to walk around

    There's a whole county outside of the city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I know there's a lot more to building tracks than just sticking them on the floor Gromit style, but not having to go all the way up to Dublin to get to Sligo, or Portarlington to get to Galway
    Wouldn't you get the train to Galway via Ennis and Athenry? Sure, you'll have nearly a whole train to yourself.

    http://www.irishrail.ie/index.jsp?p=120&n=150


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    Limerick city is small enough to walk around

    Ok so, I work in town, train in UL, and live near Dooradoyle, how do you propose I get around on that shambles of a bus service?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭stoneill


    Luas extensions are needed more to suburbs than city centre links


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭greenflash


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    Ok so, I work in town, train in UL, and live near Dooradoyle, how do you propose I get around on that shambles of a bus service?

    Bicycle. Stop at red lights though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Terry1985


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    As Limerick man, this bothers me because our public transport is terrible.

    Maybe ask for dedicated horse lanes?


  • Administrators Posts: 55,229 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    stoneill wrote: »
    Luas extensions are needed more to suburbs than city centre links

    Dublin public transport is too city centre focused. If you want to get from somewhere out of town into the city centre that's handy enough.

    But if you want to get from Swords to Tallaght, or Dun Laoghaire to Sandyford that's when it's a total pain in the hole.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Limerick city is small enough to walk around

    Eh, so is Dublin City in fairness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭Red Crow


    stoneill wrote: »
    Luas extensions are needed more to suburbs than city centre links

    Isn't there buses for that?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    OSI wrote: »
    Walk from Dun Laoghaire to Blanchardstown and tell me that.

    Dun Laoghaire is not in Dublin City it is in County Dublin.


  • Administrators Posts: 55,229 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Dun Laoghaire is not in Dublin City it is in County Dublin.

    So change it to Sandyford, still quite a hike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭CHealy


    Limerick and Galway need serious updates to their bus services, but are not the size to constitute having any other form of public transport. Although a rail connection from Limerick to Shannon is a no-brainer.

    Cork would really benifit from a bus tram system, which is no where near as expensive as a luas style tram, but would have dedicated lines across the city and to the airport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,926 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Personally I can't wait for this. At the moment my bus leaves me on Abbey Street and I've to walk over to Stephens Green to get the green Luas line out to Sandyford. Which is daft as there's a red Luas stop right on Abbey street where I get off the bus. Should have been connected from the beginning.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    OSI wrote: »
    Walk from Dun Laoghaire to Blanchardstown and tell me that.

    Erm, as already pointed out that's not Dublin City. And the whole point of this news story is that it links the Luas lines in the City Centre, it specifically references how much easier it will make it to get from Grafton St to O'Connell St. Hardly long distance is it?

    Not that I'm for or against it of course...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Sure while were at why not just follow this example:

    darttodingle.jpg?w=400&h=533

    :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    For those complaining that ibn Dublin we have fully functioning county wide public transport.....in theory we do...the reality is quite different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    I'm happy that it is being built,maybe it will be the start of another upgrading of Dublins road and rail services,I'm not from Dublin and don't live there but I realize that it is more important to sort out Dublin's transport before the other regional cities.

    The biggest problem for Irish towns/cities re infrastructure is population density IMO. I live in a tower block that is surrounded by other tower blocks and we have bus stops at both entrances to the area that take you to the commuter train station and the intercity train station and city centre with busses running every 15 mins(use the bus card for the commuter train also)

    Good services, yet when family members called over they were appalled that I was in a tower block-they equate it with ghetto's or poverty! If we want the European standard of public transport,we have to change our habits first to make them more viable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Robbo wrote: »
    If you want infrastructure solely for the reason that "them up there in that Dublin get everything", you can end up with the Western Fail Corridor.

    Exactly.

    The boggers wanted and got their rail corridor. :D

    They also ignore the billions spent on motorways so they can get to the Big Shmoke for the Gah matches.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    crockholm wrote: »
    I'm happy that it is being built,maybe it will be the start of another upgrading of Dublins road and rail services,I'm not from Dublin and don't live there but I realize that it is more important to sort out Dublin's transport before the other regional cities.

    The biggest problem for Irish towns/cities re infrastructure is population density IMO. I live in a tower block that is surrounded by other tower blocks and we have bus stops at both entrances to the area that take you to the commuter train station and the intercity train station and city centre with busses running every 15 mins(use the bus card for the commuter train also)

    Good services, yet when family members called over they were appalled that I was in a tower block-they equate it with ghetto's or poverty! If we want the European standard of public transport,we have to change our habits first to make them more viable

    Maybe so, but where I disagree, as someone who has previously lived in Dublin, is that it's not a big gap between the 2 Luas lines. I agree that it needs to be completed at some stage, but surely there are more important projects that need undertaking, such as the airport rail link.

    I was going from Limerick to Dublin red cow, then red cow to the airport recently using the M7 express. The bus that brought us from Limerick was supposed to arrive at the same time the bus to the airport was departing and it was 10 minutes late so missed the bus. We had to wait for the Luas, get that into town and then wait for the 747 bus to the airport. Luckily we left in plenty of time and didn't miss the flight. Dublin airport is grand to get to when driving but a right pain in the hole by public transport!


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