Dogs fines to rise. €100 with new fixed penalty catorgies.

time lord

Got notification today for new amendments to Control of Dogs Act. Starting the 1/6/13. Anyone got full list of changes. Didn't get chance to read email as it was large and I had two minutes only at it. Did notice muzzling, on lead mentioned and price hike for not having licence.
I believe it's signed and 'going live' from 1st June.

ABajaninCork

Link?

DBB

I had a brief search for info on this but didn't find it (it was a brief search!), but as if has been signed in recently, I'd imagine there'll be a press release for public consumption pretty soon.
No harm if the increased fine works as a deterrent, but as always, enforcement will be key.

Rigsby

Hope they do something about enforcing the law on picking up after your dog. I have been walking my dog twice daily in the same area for nine years. Never in that time have I encountered a litter warden. The situation in my area has got worse in recent times.

I always pick up after my dog (if there is another dog's dirt near where she goes, I will pick that up too) and it is very frustrating to be wrongly reprimanded by people assuming that the dog dirt outside their gate belongs to my dog.

Recently my dog did do her business outside some one's gate as they were coming out. I quickly took out the poo bag and cleaned up to the best of my ability. There was a very small smudge of dirt that I could not remove. This person proceeded to lambaste me and told me to get some disinfectant and finish the job. I did not want to get into a row, told him I did my best and kept walking, while contemplating the unfairness of it all.


Sorry for the slightly off topic rant.

BillyMitchel

Hopefully this includes control of dogs and morons with no control over their hounds will be fined too.

There is no way any new dog laws will be enforced.

tk123

The problem imo with poo fines is that the people who let their dog poo (well in our area anyays) walk either very early or later in the evenings when there's no warden or onlookers about or their out walking/running and leaving the dog to do their own thing. They should put a fine on the scale for poo bags thrown on the ground too imo - this infuriates me!!!! Our park isn't that big so you're only ever 5 mins from a bin yet people throw their clear untied sandwich bags with poo in them on the ground. The wardens in our park have a giant barrell for poo now too so even if the bins are full and the warden's yard is closed you can still put you hand thru the railings and drop the bag in.

afterglow

tk123 wrote: »

The problem imo with poo fines is that the people who let their dog poo (well in our area anyays) walk either very early or later in the evenings when there's no warden or onlookers about or their out walking/running and leaving the dog to do their own thing. They should put a fine on the scale for poo bags thrown on the ground too imo - this infuriates me!!!! Our park isn't that big so you're only ever 5 mins from a bin yet people throw their clear untied sandwich bags with poo in them on the ground. The wardens in our park have a giant barrell for poo now too so even if the bins are full and the warden's yard is closed you can still put you hand thru the railings and drop the bag in.

Hi all

In my opinion, anything that makes people pick up after their dogs would be welcome. It is infuriating, and has happened to me on a number of ocasions, where I have stepped in dog poop because of not being able to see it. You don't realise you've done it at all until you get into the house and realise it's on shoes then by the oder which is horrible. I think I would be even more angry about people picking up after their dogs now because I do it myself after my guide dog, and if I can manage to do it without sight then surely dog owners with sight can manage to bring a bag and pick up to save others the missfortune of stepping in their dogs mess.
I realise I am lucky that my dog will only poop at most twice a day, and in my apartment complex on a little peace of grass. If however my dog did go on the street for any reason I would of course pick up.
To the poster that rfered to getting an earful from that person while you were cleaning up after your dog, take no notice, people have no clue what they are talking about sometimes.
A tip for making poop easier to pick up is to try restricting the dogs diet to only dry food and try avoid giving scraps from the table and letting the dog pick up stuff from the street etc. not always possible, and I'm not the authority on dogs by any means, but just it might help make picking up a little easier which is always welcome IMO.
Thanks

fatmammycat

afterglow wrote: »

Hi all

In my opinion, anything that makes people pick up after their dogs would be welcome. It is infuriating, and has happened to me on a number of ocasions, where I have stepped in dog poop because of not being able to see it. You don't realise you've done it at all until you get into the house and realise it's on shoes then by the oder which is horrible. I think I would be even more angry about people picking up after their dogs now because I do it myself after my guide dog, and if I can manage to do it without sight then surely dog owners with sight can manage to bring a bag and pick up to save others the missfortune of stepping in their dogs mess.
I realise I am lucky that my dog will only poop at most twice a day, and in my apartment complex on a little peace of grass. If however my dog did go on the street for any reason I would of course pick up.
To the poster that rfered to getting an earful from that person while you were cleaning up after your dog, take no notice, people have no clue what they are talking about sometimes.
A tip for making poop easier to pick up is to try restricting the dogs diet to only dry food and try avoid giving scraps from the table and letting the dog pick up stuff from the street etc. not always possible, and I'm not the authority on dogs by any means, but just it might help make picking up a little easier which is always welcome IMO.
Thanks

When my dog ate dry food his poos where disgusting and frequent. On a raw food diet, however, they're small, dry and once a day.

afterglow

fatmammycat wrote: »

When my dog ate dry food his poos where disgusting and frequent. On a raw food diet, however, they're small, dry and once a day.

Hi. What do you mean by a raw food diet? My dog is on royal canine adult food and they are just dry little nuggets

BillyMitchel

afterglow wrote: »

Hi. What do you mean by a raw food diet? My dog is on royal canine adult food and they are just dry little nuggets

Have to agree with with this. People can say what they want about RC but one thing is certain, his poo is 100%. If there's such a thing!

fatmammycat

afterglow wrote: »

Hi. What do you mean by a raw food diet? My dog is on royal canine adult food and they are just dry little nuggets

Raw food- raw chicken/beef/fish/organs/eggs, no commercial dog food at all. I had my fellow on RC GSD food and it ran right through him. Now he poops once a day, firm stools and pretty much odourless in comparison with before.

tk123

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Have to agree with with this. People can say what they want about RC but one thing is certain, his poo is 100%. If there's such a thing!

Funny I bagged a poo for somebody the other day (they were sitting down after been floored by 2 pups :pac:) anyhoos the pup is guide dog so fed RC - OMG it was terrible lol - sticky and smelly and looked like a joke shop poo! Brought me back to when my guy was on RC and his would be like that every other day - goes to show one dogs meat is another dogs poison lol!

paultf

time lord wrote: »

Got notification today for new amendments to Control of Dogs Act. Starting the 1/6/13. Anyone got full list of changes. Didn't get chance to read email as it was large and I had two minutes only at it. Did notice muzzling, on lead mentioned and price hike for not having licence.
I believe it's signed and 'going live' from 1st June.

I don't think this is going to make a difference if they are not enforcing it properly.

I have lost count of the number of times I have been mocked or laughed at for picking up dog poo. Ages range from young children to teenagers to adults. A while ago I remember a young child in my estate came over to pet my dog. He went for a poo so I proceeded to pick it up, the child said: "Ooooohhh, what are you doing that for?" His Mum was near him and told him it was the right thing to do.

The dog warden and his team blitzed my estate a few weeks ago. First time in 12 years. Told me I hadn't paid my dog license as I wasn't on the system. I produced 4 dog licenses - all in date. I pay online but supposedly it is not co-ordinated yet with the An Post system. So if there is a mis-spelling of a name everything is out of synch. He said the county had the lowest return in the country at 15%. In my estate he said not many people had licences. I asked would they be getting a fine - no he said we are giving them a second chance. I don't understand that myself - I mean I have been paying a license every year since I got my first dog 10 years ago. Maybe I shouldn't have bothered if everyone else is a getting a second chance - no one told me about that before. (I think the blitz was to do with the fact the county manager was moving to a new job.)

I think the only way it is going to change is by getting into the classrooms and educating the children about dog ownership. Hopefully then this information can be filtered back up to the adults in the family. I hope it doesn't but down the line if some young child picks up a disease from handling dog poo....

BillyMitchel

tk123 wrote: »

Funny I bagged a poo for somebody the other day (they were sitting down after been floored by 2 pups :pac:) anyhoos the pup is guide dog so fed RC - OMG it was terrible lol - sticky and smelly and looked like a joke shop poo! Brought me back to when my guy was on RC and his would be like that every other day - goes to show one dogs meat is another dogs poison lol!

My dog is not even 1 and 100lb+ and RC has been a god sent for poo's! One wk he wasn't fed it and it was a nightmare picking it up. Now his poo's are like mountains and if they were all soft and mushy I don't know what I'd do!!

time lord

STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS.
S.I. No. of 2013
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CONTROL OF DOGS (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 2013



Alt/Section 27(1)(f)




Allowing a dog that is required to be leashed in a public place to be unleashed in a public place, contrary to article 5 of the Control of Dogs Regulations, 1998


Alt/Section 27(1)(f)


Allowing a dog that is required to be led in a public place by a person over the age of sixteen years who is capable of controlling the dog to be otherwise led in a public place, contrary to article 5 of the Control of Dogs Regulations, 1998

Alt/Section 27(1)(f)



Allowing a dog that is required to be muzzled in a public place to be unmuzzled in a public place, contrary to article 5 of the Control of Dogs Regulations, 1998


Alt/Section 27(1)(f)

These are the new ' on the spots' I believe.

Kukey

A man I meet in the park has a Malinois and he was told to put a muzzle on his dog or he will be fined or dog will be seized.They must be really clamping down now as I have seen the Warden around a lot lately in our area.

BillyMitchel

time lord wrote: »

STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS.
S.I. No. of 2013
————————
CONTROL OF DOGS (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 2013



Alt/Section 27(1)(f)




Allowing a dog that is required to be leashed in a public place to be unleashed in a public place, contrary to article 5 of the Control of Dogs Regulations, 1998


Alt/Section 27(1)(f)


Allowing a dog that is required to be led in a public place by a person over the age of sixteen years who is capable of controlling the dog to be otherwise led in a public place, contrary to article 5 of the Control of Dogs Regulations, 1998

Alt/Section 27(1)(f)



Allowing a dog that is required to be muzzled in a public place to be unmuzzled in a public place, contrary to article 5 of the Control of Dogs Regulations, 1998


Alt/Section 27(1)(f)

These are the new ' on the spots' I believe.

So am I right in saying its just an updated version of laws regarding RB?

What happens if a dog warden gets the breed wrong and they start handing out fines to innocent people? Appeal?

Then again it's rarely enforced in the first place.

Kukey

I would say that if the owner was to appeal they would have to have proof that the dog is not RB,and would have to get DNA done.

andreac

Kukey wrote: »

A man I meet in the park has a Malinois and he was told to put a muzzle on his dog or he will be fined or dog will be seized.They must be really clamping down now as I have seen the Warden around a lot lately in our area.

But Belgian shepherds aren't on the rb list so they don't need to be muzzled??

Kukey

They are a "type" of Shepherd so must be muzzled.He got in touch with Dublin Co Council and Dept of Environment and they both said the same thing to him.They are a "type" and must be muzzled in public.He now has a muzzle for his dog.

DBB

Kukey wrote: »

They are a "type" of Shepherd so must be muzzled.He got in touch with Dublin Co Council and Dept of Environment and they both said the same thing to him.They are a "type" and must be muzzled in public.He now has a muzzle for his dog.

He was misinformed. Utterly misinformed. There are no provisions in Irish law for "type"(there is under UK law). The Irish law is clear on this: if the dog is not on the list of 11, nor a mix or strain of these 11, then the RB legislation does not apply.
Once a breed is a breed, it is no longer a "strain". So, in the case of the Belgian Shepherd, it is neither a strain of the GSD (it predates the GSD), but it is a categorical breed, a breed which is not on the list of 11 in any shape or form.
Dublin Co.Co. do seem to be mixed up on this one, but other councils, my own included, most certainly are not. If I was given an on the spot fine for walking a Belgian Shepherd unmuzzled, I would look forward to my day in court.

DBB

BillyMitchel wrote: »

So am I right in saying its just an updated version of laws regarding RB?

What happens if a dog warden gets the breed wrong and they start handing out fines to innocent people? Appeal?

Then again it's rarely enforced in the first place.

It's simply making the existing laws relating to RBs subject to a fixed penalty notice (on the spot fine... Which have not literally to be paid on the spot!). No change to the actual laws though.
There is always leave to either accept a fixed penalty notice, or not accept it and allow it to go to court, the appeal of the fine being that you avoid a potentially bigger fine, legal fees, and a possible conviction or record. However, if the warden gets it wrong with your breed, choosing the court option gives the owner the opportunity to contest the warden's decision. In reality, there's always a chance the warden will re-think his/her decision in the pre-court process of gathering evidence, solicitor's letters etc.

The Bishop Basher

What is the license for ? Are there any benefits to paying it ? Do you need a licence for a cat ? Just wondering as I've never got one nor given any thought to getting one to be honest.

endacl

Are catorgies one of those newfangled hybrids? A labradoodle type yoke? A cross between a cat and a corgi maybe?

time lord

BillyMitchel wrote: »

So am I right in saying its just an updated version of laws regarding RB?
No because it alters the fine amount for offences unrelated to RB's

What happens if a dog warden gets the breed wrong and they start handing out fines to innocent people? Appeal?
If a warden, Garda or appointed person is wrong the fixed penalty notice/on the spot fine to the alleged offender has several weeks to be paid and this is an opportunity to appeal the fine.

Then again it's rarely enforced in the first place.

Differs from area to area I'd guess but as with a large number of laws in Éire they get a similar level of enforcement I.m.o.
(Crap at using quotes my bad)

DBB

Swanner wrote: »

What is the license for ? Are there any benefits to paying it ? Do you need a licence for a cat ? Just wondering as I've never got one nor given any thought to getting one to be honest.

The license fees fund the county pound, which is responsible for picking up stray dogs and taking surrendered dogs (not a nice things to have to do, but an important service all the same), and enforcing the dog control legislationvia the dog wardens. Cats don't need a license, but then, they've no legal back-up when they're found straying either.

Kukey

DBB wrote: »

He was misinformed. Utterly misinformed. There are no provisions in Irish law for "type"(there is under UK law). The Irish law is clear on this: if the dog is not on the list of 11, nor a mix or strain of these 11, then the RB legislation does not apply.
Once a breed is a breed, it is no longer a "strain". So, in the case of the Belgian Shepherd, it is neither a strain of the GSD (it predates the GSD), but it is a categorical breed, a breed which is not on the list of 11 in any shape or form.
Dublin Co.Co. do seem to be mixed up on this one, but other councils, my own included, most certainly are not. If I was given an on the spot fine for walking a Belgian Shepherd unmuzzled, I would look forward to my day in court.

The Control of Dogs Regulations 1998, 5.(1) refers to the list of dogs, while it does not mention Belgian Shepherds it does refer to German Shepherds and refers "to every other strain or cross of every breed or type of dog described in this article"  the important word here is type, a Belgian Shepherd is a type of Shepherd and must be muzzled in a public place.

The above is what the owner was told and resulted in him buying a muzzle for his dog.Surely all the Councils should be all going by the same rules??

The Bishop Basher

DBB wrote: »

The license fees fund the county pound, which is responsible for picking up stray dogs and taking surrendered dogs (not a nice things to have to do, but an important service all the same), and enforcing the dog control legislationvia the dog wardens. Cats don't need a license, but then, they've no legal back-up when they're found straying either.

Thanks for that. Is the money genuinely ring fenced for this ? If so I would consider getting one. If not I would rather donate directly to the county pound.

ISDW

Kukey wrote: »

The Control of Dogs Regulations 1998, 5.(1) refers to the list of dogs, while it does not mention Belgian Shepherds it does refer to German Shepherds and refers "to every other strain or cross of every breed or type of dog described in this article"  the important word here is type, a Belgian Shepherd is a type of Shepherd and must be muzzled in a public place.

The above is what the owner was told and resulted in him buying a muzzle for his dog.Surely all the Councils should be all going by the same rules??

An Australian Shepherd is a type of Shepherd, but has absolutely no links to a GSD, other than that they are both dogs, so a warden wouldn't even look at it. The Belgian Shepherd is a completely separate breed as well, just because a dog has the word Shepherd in its name does not make it a type or strain of another breed.

DBB

Most councils are going by the rules. Dublin Co. Co. are not. The law specifically names the German Shepherd Dog. It does not mention just "Shepherds", so therefore an owner of an unmuzzled anything-other-than-a-German-shepherd-or-cross-thereof is not subject to this law. The law only pertains to owners of GSDs, or crosses thereof. If the Dublin Co. Co. version of the legislation was applied as they claim, then owners of all dogs with the word "shepherd" in the name would have to be muzzled!
It is widely recognised amongst other county councils in Ireland that Dublin Co. Co. are not acting lawfully in applying this strange, and wrong interpretation of the law. It is interesting that (to the best of my knowledge), they've never tested their interesting theory in court. I wonder why?! I have written to ask them to clarify their stance, more than once, and am still awaiting a reply!
My local county vet has taken legal advice on the issue, and been categorically told that owners of Belgian Shepherds cannot be prosecuted under the RB laws. I'm reliably informed that he's not alone.

DBB

Also kukey, for your friend's info, the reference to "type" of dog refers specifically to the bandog, one of the 11 breeds (the bandog is not a breed, but a type... And for my post stating the Irish law does not refer to "type", I apologise! In a senior moment, I forgot that we have one exception! The bandog!) "Type" in the law is not in reference to any other of the 11 on the list.

time lord

Swanner wrote: »

Thanks for that. Is the money genuinely ring fenced for this ? If so I would consider getting one. If not I would rather donate directly to the county pound.

The licence fees would only cover a small amount of the running costs of a pound.

DBB

Swanner wrote: »

Thanks for that. Is the money genuinely ring fenced for this ? If so I would consider getting one. If not I would rather donate directly to the county pound.

I would see little point in donating to a State funded facility, to be honest Swanner! In fact, I wouldn't imagine they accept donations, as such! The license fees are certainly *meant* to go towards the running of the pound, but with the incomplete uptake of licenses in many counties, as time lord says, it's unlikely that any pound could run on dog (and horse) licences alone.
If it's donating to a worthy cause you'd like to do, might I suggest your donation is made to one of the many dog rescues who take dogs from pounds in order to rehome them? The pounds are not only State funded, but they do not invest in dogs other than bed and board for the duration of their stay. Whilst the rescues who take dogs from them generally vet-check, neuter, vaccinate, chip, home-check, and provide life-cover for each dog they take out!

DBB

Kukey, you've inspired me to re-send yet another letter to Dublin City Council to clarify exactly what they're at re this legislation: I've asked quite a few times now, but they keep conveniently ignoring me

Kukey

Anyway that list of RB is a joke.My JRT who is brilliant with other dogs has now twice been nearly savaged by two Whippets and a Labrador!! My other dog is a RB and she was on the lead,muzzled while the 2 Whippets chased my JRT & they were not looking to play with her!!Thank God she is a little flyer & the owner managed to grab her dogs before they got at her.Another day I was throwing th ball for her when a Lab ran out of a nearby house & went for her,I managed to pick her up before any harm was done & risked been bitten myself.Another apologetic owner!!Whereas my GSD ignores people and would never go over to another dog,she stays by my side and her only interest is in a ball yet she must be leashed & muzzled when she is in public.Luckily she doesn't mind wearing the muzzle.I asked my son to get me the GSDs muzzle one day & he asked me why does she have to wear it?I told him its because she might bite someone,his answer was but the JRT could bite someone as well and she doesn't have to wear one!!

Kukey

DBB wrote: »

Kukey, you've inspired me to re-send yet another letter to Dublin City Council to clarify exactly what they're at re this legislation: I've asked quite a few times now, but they keep conveniently ignoring me

Let us know how you get on,if of course they get back to you:rolleyes::P

time lord

DBB wrote: »

Kukey, you've inspired me to re-send yet another letter to Dublin City Council to clarify exactly what they're at re this legislation: I've asked quite a few times now, but they keep conveniently ignoring me

Try this route
http://www.ombudsman.gov.ie/en/Publications/Information-leaflets/Local-Authorities.pdf

DBB

time lord wrote: »

Try this route
http://www.ombudsman.gov.ie/en/Publications/Information-leaflets/Local-Authorities.pdf

Oooh time lord.... you're devious :eek:

I like devious

Inexile

DBB wrote: »

Oooh time lord.... you're devious :eek:

I like devious

If you want to get really devious use the FOI legislation. Ask for all correspondence/documentation they have to support the rationale on including the Belgian Shepard (in its various forms) on their RB list, ask for how many times they have issued warning re same to owners, how many fines they have imposed, etc, etc.

Yes there will be a fee but initially its only €15 or thereabouts. Thereafter they may charge for search and retrival of records and a photocopying fee but they have to give you a quote .

It takes time but can be a useful piece of legislation. if you want more info pm me.

DBB

Oooh, even devious-er :cool:
I had forgotten about FoI, but yes, will certainly go down this route if I'm stone-walled, and would appreciate help if you've experience of it all (I was involved in one before, but it wasn't me who did the contacting)
As a public servant myself, the thought of ignoring a public enquiry horrifies me, so the longer they ignore me, the more peed off I'm going to get!
Thanks time lord and Inexile

ISDW

go Boardsies

Bullseye1

The ignorance among politicians on the issue of RB is depressing. They haven't a clue.

andreac

Kukey wrote: »

They are a "type" of Shepherd so must be muzzled.He got in touch with Dublin Co Council and Dept of Environment and they both said the same thing to him.They are a "type" and must be muzzled in public.He now has a muzzle for his dog.

Well they are wrong.

Belgian SHepherds are their own breed, they arent a shepherd type so therefore do not need to be muzzled.

andreac

Kukey wrote: »

The Control of Dogs Regulations 1998, 5.(1) refers to the list of dogs, while it does not mention Belgian Shepherds it does refer to German Shepherds and refers "to every other strain or cross of every breed or type of dog described in this article"  the important word here is type, a Belgian Shepherd is a type of Shepherd and must be muzzled in a public place.

The above is what the owner was told and resulted in him buying a muzzle for his dog.Surely all the Councils should be all going by the same rules??

There are many type of shepherd dogs, Anatolian Shepherd, Caucasian Shepherd etc etc, so where do they draw the line??

Once they are their own breed and not a cross breed of one of the mentioned ones, they do not need to be muzzled.

The law is a joke and the wardens cannot even tell differences between certain breeds so how they can get away with telling someone to muzzle their dog when they are not on the list is beyond me. They really havent a clue!!

Kukey

andreac wrote: »

Well they are wrong.

Belgian SHepherds are their own breed, they arent a shepherd type so therefore do not need to be muzzled.

If you email Dublin Co Council,Fingalcoco,Dept of Environment they will all tell you that they must be muzzled.They are the ones who are making the law.

snoman

I don't think that they are making the law, only interpreting it - badly it seems, and enforcing it.

mosi

I've heard other people mention that they have been told the Belgian Shepherds are interpreted as RBs. I wonder, as it is not in the legislation (and as they are not a strain or cross of the GSD) if dog wardens apply this due to their own inability to correctly identify breeds.

Another grey area is with regard to mastiff breeds. While the Bullmastiff is on the list, I haven't heard (not to say it doesn't happen) of English, Neaopolitan Mastiffs or DDBs being interpreted to be on it. I'm sure the word "bull" is what got them on the list. However, it seems that other mastiffs may be interpreted as coming under the bandog category. The Boerboel is apparently considered as such.
http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2010/11/02/00306.asp

BillyMitchel

mosi wrote: »

I've heard other people mention that they have been told the Belgian Shepherds are interpreted as RBs. I wonder, as it is not in the legislation (and as they are not a strain or cross of the GSD) if dog wardens apply this due to their own inability to correctly identify breeds.

Another grey area is with regard to mastiff breeds. While the Bullmastiff is on the list, I haven't heard (not to say it doesn't happen) of English, Neaopolitan Mastiffs or DDBs being interpreted to be on it. I'm sure the word "bull" is what got them on the list. However, it seems that other mastiffs may be interpreted as coming under the bandog category. The Boerboel is apparently considered as such.
http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2010/11/02/00306.asp

I get it a lot with my Dogo Argentino. People think its a bully breed but it's not. I've only ever been stopped once and I was asked was it PB and I said no that it was a Dogo. Guards didn't have a clue. Said he was nice gave him a pet and went on there way. A few strangers also thought he was meant to be muzzled but nope, wrong again. I'll never muzzle him. Fair enough the EBT went into its make up but that's only a small part and the breed is close to 100 years old at this stage so I'd consider it a breed in its own right.

are you serious

BillyMitchel wrote: »

I get it a lot with my Dogo Argentino. People think its a bully breed but it's not. I've only ever been stopped once and I was asked was it PB and I said no that it was a Dogo. Guards didn't have a clue. Said he was nice gave him a pet and went on there way. A few strangers also thought he was meant to be muzzled but nope, wrong again. I'll never muzzle him. Fair enough the EBT went into its make up but that's only a small part and the breed is close to 100 years old at this stage so I'd consider it a breed in its own right.

The Dogo is recognised as a breed in its own right by the IKC, so you would be correct

JustAThought

Dog warden called toy door Today looking To see my license ; suspect neighbour reported me cos she was chasing their cat let loose night & day to stroll & s* all over the estate). Showed him the license & he gave me the new Fingal Co co leaflet on dog owner responsibilities . It says - new!- that the ideal is that dogs do not go to the toilet in public places at all & should be taught to go only in the garden but that in case of " accidents" you should bring a bag and clean up...

Worrying Trends.

I also noticed last night a
New Sign up on Howth pier -
Leashes dogs Only.

We Should all start Complaining about These new trends towards restricting
Dog users as I hear
The new fCC manager for parks is a dog hating nazi type and wants to bar dogs throughout. This comes from
His staff .

I pay taxes & expect to be able to enjoy & use the same parks & recreational areas as litter dropping people, smokers, drug addicts & travellers; not to mention the parents who let their children just go to the toilet in the woods cos they couldn't be arswd walking Them To the public toilet nearby.

I also expect The Same courtesy to be offered To Me as A Tax Paying citizen as
Those
Extended
To all those in our " society " who contribute nothing & do not have signs & statements fingering Them Out being erected at Every Other Corner.

snoman

I have a rescue dog who might be a Dogue de Bordeaux cross, but is definitely some type of a mastiff cross. Do you think that she should be in a muzzle when out in public? I never have done cos I was told that she didn't need to, but now I'm wondering...