E/FIBRE - life Changing - What does it mean to you

10belowzero

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Originally Posted by Khannie
Just had a guy from Magnet on the phone there. He said it's going to be December for Skerries!!!

They are offering a fairly decent deal though - 69 per month for unlimited landline and mobile calls, 300 minutes international calls + internet.
Sounds good alright, I have no interest in the phone end of things but that's decent for the extra, also you can add a tenner to that for 89 digital channels if you want TV, I dont think their TV is all that though...(last time I saw it was about 5 years ago and it was ISP tv, dunno will much have changed tbh)

This new fibre really opens a lot of doors for me, I feel ive been living in the dark ages since I moved to Balrothery, it's the one thing that has me more irked than anything else about the area to be honest...

Small things in the grand scheme of things admittedly, I have to roundtrip to Dublin every Friday night to do my radio show live from a studio in Dublin - with this it means I can remote login and do my radio show from the comfort of my own home, not to mention I can not stream proper HD when im watching a footy match, now I will be able to, not to mention if I miss a day of college I have to wait an age for a class to buffer before I can watch it without interruptions.....

I got a fancy new smart telly a while ago as well and I can't even connect it to the net due to not having a minimum 10mb connection, again, another thing that will change, as I said, small things to most but they will help me no end....

[code]Quote: original post by Fielddog

This post was excellent - it really show's how fast broadband can make a difference to a person's life.
On May 20th at 8.30 am Eircom's E/Fibre will be live ---- Changing life's all over our great Nation. And every licensed communication's company in the state will have equal access too provide their customer's a host of exciting new online service's to drive us all crazy this summer.
What will it Mean to You - better x box / ps 3/4 game time enhancement / streaming movies instead of downloading / Netflix -- THE big one YOU TUBE - without buffering - better on line living.Better UPLOAD speed's that are like being beamed aboard Enterprise - Will you ditch XP and buy that new smart tv.
Will you tell the Boss , your're better broadband at home -- Will it grow your business- will you start an online business?.
Are you living somewhere , where high speed broadband was an URBAN MYTH - And what now ? -- Where will all this high speed lead us - You tell us.

red_bairn

For my parents it'll mean a perfect connection on Skype and perhaps a great range of TV channels when Eircom provides their TV service.

For myself, it means no interruptions while my family streams downstairs on the netbook. Mum may have missed her favourite show(s) on tele and can catch up with them online. Gaming, downloading content or Skyping the Korean lassie without any hiccups is the perfect world.

I'd like to think this could also help with college work and allow me to upload any content for web design, programming or other related to my Summer project.

Pz.

R3d

NIMAN

Means nothing for me.

I live in a rural area, and I'd say it'll be many years before I see fibre speeds.

greenpilot

Means fcuk all, we cannot even get fibre for our damn cattle, never mind fibre optics. We live in Mayo for Christs sake.

lmimmfn

I hope it allows me to work compatently from home without being gimped on file transfers/remote logins or code checkins.

Tbh people for the first time are going to be able to rise from the dark ages and have more than 1 net connection useable at any one time. I havnt bought an internet radio yet because it will slow down/destroy my web browsing.

That being said, lets see how it is before saying how life changing it will be

Btw, sorry for the rural area guys, crap broadband sux bigtime, LTE should help in rural areas though, although probably not great for gaming( although pings look reasonable enough )

zt-OctaviaN

I live 5km from a VDSL enabled town in the current fibre rollout 5Km from my exchange 800metres from a cabinet I will not see Fibre speeds.

Everytime a new generation is launched they roll it to cities, there will come a time however when they serve rural areas with wireless tech and give DSL/Fibre data limits i.e. LTE-4G or 5G is of no use with 15Gb limits.

I have come to ignore Fibre advertising

Waiting ......

hallo dare

nothing,because eircom couldn't be bother to even supply us with broadband.disgrace

red_bairn

zt-OctaviaN wrote: »

I live 5km from a VDSL enabled town in the current fibre rollout 5Km from my exchange 800metres from a cabinet I will not see Fibre speeds.

Everytime a new generation is launched they roll it to cities, there will come a time however when they serve rural areas with wireless tech and give DSL/Fibre data limits i.e. LTE-4G or 5G is of no use with 15Gb limits.

I have come to ignore Fibre advertising

Waiting ......

What town are you living in?

zt-OctaviaN

red_bairn wrote: »

What town are you living in?

Just outside Castlebar called Turlough (which has ALOT of VDSL currently being installed prolly finished by now) im connected to the Ballyvarry exchange.

The area has 120 houses more would be serviceable on the Cabinet based on where it is.
Whats worse is there is a fibre line going from Castlebar to Ballyvary... sorry did I say one? excuse me there are 2! one goes through the damn village! on the same route past the Cabinet they could upgrade to VDSL! how annoying is that! and the village doomed with 1 and 2 meg broadband speeds!

Sadly I was onto a director for eircom directly via boards.ie but he said it wasn't in the pipeline they did respond quickly etc I had a thread on it but alas even though I supplied comprehensive maps etc etc it wasnt to be so Im keeping an eye out for other alternatives.

L1011

Nothing, because Eircom will burn money trying to sort-of compete on the side of the town that has UPC and likely not bother helping the poor feckers attached to the exchange the other side where UPC don't have anything, and where they have a captive market already

jmcc

10belowzero wrote: »

Are you living somewhere , where high speed broadband was an URBAN MYTH - And what now ? -- Where will all this high speed lead us - You tell us.

Are you that Rob fellow from Emobile?

Regards...jmcc

_Whimsical_

I am seriously wondering if the OP is an Eircom employee.

What would it mean to me?
It'd mean locked into an 18 month contract where I'd pay what I'd be paying UPC for an equally good product AND a TV service.

It's hugely overpriced considering the present market here.

jmcc

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I am seriously wondering if the OP is an Eircom employee.

What would it mean to me?
It'd mean locked into an 18 month contract where I'd pay what I'd be paying UPC for an equally good product AND a TV service.

It's hugely overpriced considering the present market here.

Either that or a PR type/Technology Churnalist. It is a bit of an odd opening post.

Regards...jmcc

zt-OctaviaN

It seems most here are either semi urban or in areas that have fibre on one side of town and not on the other so to the OP.

Give us 4G (or 5G :P ) and decent limits i.e. 100 to 300Megs thats all we ask!
dont need unlimited until backhaul to the masts are strengthened up!!

that way we get serious speed reasonably good pings about 10miles line of site and all for the price of some cabling to the mast where cabling is already in place.

Is it cheaper than fibre? I dont know probably great cheaper judging by the rate of nots mobile providers can upgrade those masts.

squonk

Looks like a shilling OP to me. It's a load of bollox. I lived in Skerries. I'm delighted that people there can now avail of somewhere near decent speeds like I got once I moved to Galway 3 years ago and got UPC. However, only 40KM away at my parent's house, I can't even get Eircom to provide a basic broadband service and I've to rely on a 3G dongle. You have to look at broadband rollout in that context. It's a country of the haves and have nots still I'm afraid.

red_bairn

zt-OctaviaN wrote: »

It seems most here are either semi urban or in areas that have fibre on one side of town and not on the other so to the OP.

Give us 4G (or 5G :P ) and decent limits i.e. 100 to 300Megs thats all we ask!
dont need unlimited until backhaul to the masts are strengthened up!!

that way we get serious speed reasonably good pings about 10miles line of site and all for the price of some cabling to the mast where cabling is already in place.

Is it cheaper than fibre? I dont know probably great cheaper judging by the rate of nots mobile providers can upgrade those masts.

4G won't be out till probably late summer and 5G is just being tested in Korea. I was on a 100/100 conenction in Korea...I feel like I'm back in the stoneage with Eircom.

irishgeo

put up speedtest results on facebook and piss all my friends off.

17larsson

The 18 month contract is what's putting me off. I'm renting and have just signed another 12 month lease. This time next year I don't know if I will still be here, I might be renting in a town that doesn't have fibre

10belowzero

Yes I'm an Eircom tech - and dammed proud of it - look at the fusion map - https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1M_lYcvMkt7xIqqSa43TdS1s25oRqtA2JgpxAkYM#map:id=4

Tell me if you don't see rural area's there. There are exch area's with rural dist cab's that if you did't own a car you could walk for miles without meeting another person.Area's that did't even have 1mb of broadband will now have a massive improvement.There is a cab at Knox Cross in Balbriggan , ask them , how about Loughshinny in Skerries , how about the Rivermeade Est in St Margaret's in Co'Dublin , The Ward Cross , Rollestown nth Dublin.
All rural area's - there are also area's in town's and city's across the nation that have had little or token broadband.
There are people out there that are going to go from dial up to 70mb within a day -- if that's not progress I don't know what is - and all being done within Ireland with Irish Worker's at no expense to the taxpayer and in a lot of exch area's 6 month's ahead of completion target.

smemon

I just want to know what precise date and time will my speeds increase and if i have to do anything to get them increased.

There's a cabinet ~100m or less away from me. I'm supposed to be in phase 4. God knows when it'll actually go live.

I hear some people saying word on the street is cabinet installations are 6 months ahead and all the admin stuff is way behind. Others say everything will be good to go on May 20th.

Clear as mud as usual :pac:

10belowzero

Yep and Comreg will not allow Eircom to put staff on duty after hour's to meet the demand of all companies customer's service request's till 3 MONTH'S from 20th May - figure that one cause I can't.

7upfree

10belowzero wrote: »

[code]Quote: original post by Fielddog

This post was excellent - it really show's how fast broadband can make a difference to a person's life.
On May 20th at 8.30 am Eircom's E/Fibre will be live ---- Changing life's all over our great Nation. And every licensed communication's company in the state will have equal access too provide their customer's a host of exciting new online service's to drive us all crazy this summer.
What will it Mean to You - better x box / ps 3/4 game time enhancement / streaming movies instead of downloading / Netflix -- THE big one YOU TUBE - without buffering - better on line living.Better UPLOAD speed's that are like being beamed aboard Enterprise - Will you ditch XP and buy that new smart tv.
Will you tell the Boss , your're better broadband at home -- Will it grow your business- will you start an online business?.
Are you living somewhere , where high speed broadband was an URBAN MYTH - And what now ? -- Where will all this high speed lead us - You tell us.

You tell 'us'? Is this an ad?

red_bairn

7upfree wrote: »

You tell 'us'? Is this an ad?

What are you on about? He's asking for peoples feelings on what the technology will change in their technology lives.

sealgaire

instead of bringing the speeds up in rural areas they are just pumping more money into improving already fast speeds in Dublin

Jimoslimos

10belowzero wrote: »

Yes I'm an Eircom tech - and dammed proud of it - look at the fusion map - https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1M_lYcvMkt7xIqqSa43TdS1s25oRqtA2JgpxAkYM#map:id=4

Tell me if you don't see rural area's there. There are exch area's with rural dist cab's that if you did't own a car you could walk for miles without meeting another person.Area's that did't even have 1mb of broadband will now have a massive improvement.There is a cab at Knox Cross in Balbriggan , ask them , how about Loughshinny in Skerries , how about the Rivermeade Est in St Margaret's in Co'Dublin , The Ward Cross , Rollestown nth Dublin.
All rural area's - there are also area's in town's and city's across the nation that have had little or token broadband.
There are people out there that are going to go from dial up to 70mb within a day -- if that's not progress I don't know what is - and all being done within Ireland with Irish Worker's at no expense to the taxpayer and in a lot of exch area's 6 month's ahead of completion target.

20-30 years ago you might have got away with calling some of those places "rural". They're no more than a couple of km away from some large urban centres. If eircom are boasting about being able to provide basic service to those within the Dublin county border I shudder to think what the rest of the country suffers.

Skull Murphy

10belowzero wrote: »

There are people out there that are going to go from dial up to 70mb within a day --

That says a lot, though not with the effect you intended.

fbradyirl

Having proper speeds will mean I can finally get a good upload speed, important for me as I frequently work from home, and I also have to access home devices remotely a lot.

Pity, I will be waiting a long time for this to happen as I live many miles from a city (22 KM from Galway). Currently on the Kilcolgan exchange and getting 3.5MB down, and 0.31 up.

7upfree

10belowzero wrote: »

Yes I'm an Eircom tech - and dammed proud of it - look at the fusion map - https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1M_lYcvMkt7xIqqSa43TdS1s25oRqtA2JgpxAkYM#map:id=4

Tell me if you don't see rural area's there. There are exch area's with rural dist cab's that if you did't own a car you could walk for miles without meeting another person.Area's that did't even have 1mb of broadband will now have a massive improvement.There is a cab at Knox Cross in Balbriggan , ask them , how about Loughshinny in Skerries , how about the Rivermeade Est in St Margaret's in Co'Dublin , The Ward Cross , Rollestown nth Dublin.
All rural area's - there are also area's in town's and city's across the nation that have had little or token broadband.
There are people out there that are going to go from dial up to 70mb within a day -- if that's not progress I don't know what is - and all being done within Ireland with Irish Worker's at no expense to the taxpayer and in a lot of exch area's 6 month's ahead of completion target.

But it is a private company - so I assume the taxpayer has no involvement nowadays?

Dave..M

quite simply this means that finally there is the beginning (only the beginning) of real competition in the broadband market (albeit only in certain areas admittedly but you have to start somewhere) and about blooming time I say, roll on 4G & ESB's offering and hopefully others besides.

BobMc

I'm 4 miles from Limerick city centre and I'm lucky to be barely getting 1mb, wont be affecting me anytime soon I'd imagine ! (by the way am I classed as rural)

MBSnr

10belowzero wrote: »

Yes I'm an Eircom tech - and dammed proud of it - look at the fusion map - https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1M_lYcvMkt7xIqqSa43TdS1s25oRqtA2JgpxAkYM#map:id=4

Tell me if you don't see rural area's there.

Nearest green dot to me is over 40Kms away.... Funnily enough, I just got an email saying my internet experience was going to change from 20th May*

*No year specified. But then it's hard to be sure about these things.

siblers

High Speed broadband is a privelege, not a right :pac:

bealtine

siblers wrote: »

High Speed broadband is a privelege, not a right :pac:

That's debatable...a number of countries have made it a legal right, well basic broadband anyway and they are working towards the Digital Agenda for Europe targets of a minimum of 30Mbs

10belowzero

Can you see the sky. If you can then you can have ''broadband'' - no it's not an ad for Eircom - if you can't get high speed broadband where you live , get on to Sky , BT , UPC , Vodapone ,Niall Quinn , Digiweb , Smart telecom etc.
They are all vast multi national giant's that could have bought Eircom a billion times over - how many people do these great companies employ in Ireland - one of them totally shut up shop here recently and moved 300 JOB'S across the border , such was their massive massive contribution to this country.
Why not ask BT or Sky how many people they employ here or if their profit's are being put in to Irish bank's - why don't UPC who have as many customer's as Eircom do boreen's in the middle of nowhere , better still for all who love to moan , start a company - if their is no proper broadband in your area , it's now and has been for year's a free open market.
I was hoping this could just be a lighthearted thread but God only know's , maybe Sky or BT executive's and even auld Rupert himself is losing sleep some where in their corporate universe worrying if Ireland and it's boreen's have broadband - After the last shower of corporate loser's that ran Eircom - it's a wonder that we're not all using smoke signal's and carrier pigeon's.

siblers

bealtine wrote: »

That's debatable...a number of countries have made it a legal right, well basic broadband anyway and they are working towards the Digital Agenda for Europe targets of a minimum of 30Mbs

Yeah, I was saying that with tongue in mouth. I used to be able to get around 2mb dsl with eircom, connection steadily got worse and now I can't get the fecking thing at all. Struggling away with three at the moment. Its fairly depressing/frustrating when you hear Pat Rabbite blabbering on about Ireland being the broadband hub of europe and all this nonsense. I'm just praying for 4g to become availble down here in Kerry before the NBS scheme expires.

MBSnr

10belowzero wrote: »

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After the last shower of corporate loser's that ran Eircom - it's a wonder that we're not all using smoke signal's and carrier pigeon's.

Which is why so people get mightily annoyed and any post about Eircom can become a rant against their prior failures. I've had my run ins with Eircom and moved to another provider because of their complete customer service ineptitude - passed from pillar to post and no one able to help. Seems like they are a previous state run enterprise whose employee structure still appears to reflect that public state working mentality - no one takes ownership of anything. However things may have changed over the years and I fully understand that you take pride in working for them and are hardly to blame for the past failings.

I'm very happy that finally Eircom seem to have pulled their finger out and are doing something - it's great - finally... 5 months ago I had to renew my company's 12 mnth contract on the MAN fibre network. 10mb up/down at over a €1000 a month! That was the best price I could get with discount. Why? Well there's was no other fibre option at the time, no UPC/cable and DSL lines don't have the upload we require. I spoke with the Eircom sales guy to try and find out if we could get fibre. He didn't actually know much about it, even though the cabinet was installed months before and the work complete. Complete lack of internal communication I feel. Come next years re-newal we could move to Eircoms fibre.... Something that we should have been able to do years ago.

Our US office nearly died when they found out the cost of a fast internet connection here. Our European office pays €150 per month (Yes 150 Euro) for the same speed fibre directly to their building. Seriously - this is why people have animosity towards Eircom especially. Regardless of who owned Eircom and why they did what they did, these works should have happened years ago and we should not be in this situation now.

So based on the above, I'm not expecting a fibre cabinet to appear at the end of the boreen near me in my rural location - that's unrealistic. But there are rural exchanges around me that are not even DSL enabled in 2013.....I mean come on... That's incredibly inept by any standard.

So in answer to the original post subject. Life changing? Not a chance.

10belowzero

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1M_lYcvMkt7xIqqSa43TdS1s25oRqtA2JgpxAkYM#map:id=4 - is being updated by the minute by our fellow Boardies.
Staff on the ground in Telecom Eireann wanted and planned this roll out 20 year's ago , Let's not go in to all that now.
Look at the fusion map and zoom in on some of the cab's marked - from Monday , where you might have being living in the internet dark age's you could be zooming in to the future.
And my local cab has not been done yet and I'm afraid to measure how far away from it I am.

Mc Love

Easier to work from home as I will be getting the same speeds that I would get if I was in the office.

bealtine

Mc Love wrote: »

Easier to work from home as I will be getting the same speeds that I would get if I was in the office.

I have more bandwidth to my home network than the whole company has:)
(Well not really but it's not shared)

10belowzero

beatine are ye going to tell the Boss ? .
All right I have my beloved XP hooked to my TV for nearly the last 12/15 year's.
What do you recommend I do now , I love watching / downloading old movies like Charlie Chan , Mr Moto movies , western's and ww2 movies.
I love and hate XP - if I move to win 7/8 (can't afford Mac) - are these now foolproof without flaw's (I mean without patch's) - If anyone here get's 70 mb on Monday what's the best network or home entertainment system(and the cheapest) to set up, should I give up my XP or what?.

bealtine

10belowzero wrote: »

beatine are ye going to tell the Boss ? .
All right I have my beloved XP hooked to my TV for nearly the last 12/15 year's.
What do you recommend I do now , I love watching / downloading old movies like Charlie Chan , Mr Moto movies , western's and ww2 movies.
I love and hate XP - if I move to win 7/8 (can't afford Mac) - are these now foolproof without flaw's (I mean without patch's) - If anyone here get's 70 mb on Monday what's the best network or home entertainment system(and the cheapest) to set up, should I give up my XP or what?.

Heh a million issues there:)

Personally I'd give up on XP or switch to Mint or Debian if your hardware is a bit long in the tooth but that's your decision. Win7/8 are ok generally and have regular patch sets but if XP works for you then I wouldn't be in any rush to change. XP will hit "end of life" next year iirc. Win 8 is a bit annoying but can be made to work "properly":)

No OS is foolproof:)

Boots234

A guy just called to the door offering us the efibre option but as we don't have a landline it's only the internet that we are interested in. We are living in Cork city and are the least technical people that he is going to meet. At the moment we have the Metro Express package with Digiweb but have had a few difficulties with their internet service. We have 30Mb download speed, 1Mb upload speed and 100Gb monthly data allowance. He kept mentioning 50Mb download uncongested but didn't mention the upload speed or data allowance, but as none of this means anything to us I am wondering is it worthwhile changing over? We are paying €45 a month with Digiweb and this would cost us €40

red_bairn

Boots234 wrote: »

A guy just called to the door offering us the efibre option but as we don't have a landline it's only the internet that we are interested in. We are living in Cork city and are the least technical people that he is going to meet. At the moment we have the Metro Express package with Digiweb but have had a few difficulties with their internet service. We have 30Mb download speed, 1Mb upload speed and 100Gb monthly data allowance. He kept mentioning 50Mb download uncongested but didn't mention the upload speed or data allowance, but as none of this means anything to us I am wondering is it worthwhile changing over? We are paying €45 a month with Digiweb and this would cost us €40

Yeah, but it's capped at 30GB usage. We are currently on 8MB NGB (get 6) @ €45. So hopefully our line can handle 50+ at the same price.

10belowzero

Thank's B - but what's this Mint or Debian ye be talkin about - I know no OS system is foolproof - I suppose I have been fighting and loving XP too long.
If I gave you a blank cheque tomorrow - what would you buy for me (economy wise) to give the best possible home entertain value in your average 3 bed semi with kid's (leave out teenager's , they should be studying).I love the way you put "properly".

Cheerful Spring

For 40 per cent of the population it is not life changing at all.

I pay 32 Euro ( a month) plus tax at 23% and line rental and other charges just to have a basic wired Eircom broadband service in my home.

The technology used is ASDL1, this tech has been in use since the early 90's

Surely as its 2013, the 40 per cent of the population about 2 million people deserve a better service than ASDL?

Eircom isn't exactly undercharging for this service either. So how is it fair all the good services go to urban areas?

siblers

10belowzero wrote: »

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1M_lYcvMkt7xIqqSa43TdS1s25oRqtA2JgpxAkYM#map:id=4 - is being updated by the minute by our fellow Boardies.
Staff on the ground in Telecom Eireann wanted and planned this roll out 20 year's ago , Let's not go in to all that now.
Look at the fusion map and zoom in on some of the cab's marked - from Monday , where you might have being living in the internet dark age's you could be zooming in to the future.
And my local cab has not been done yet and I'm afraid to measure how far away from it I am.

I live in Kerry, the only cabinets are in Kilarney and Tralee. They are as about as useful as the cabinets up in Dublin

red_bairn

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

For 40 per cent of the population it is not life changing at all.

I pay 32 Euro ( a month) plus tax at 23% and line rental and other charges just to have a basic wired Eircom broadband service in my home.

The technology used is ASDL1, this tech has been in use since the early 90's

Surely as its 2013, the 40 per cent of the population about 2 million people deserve a better service than ASDL?

Eircom isn't exactly undercharging for this service either. So how is it fair all the good services go to urban areas?

What do you class as an "urban" area? Would you class Dingle(Kerry) an "urban" area?

siblers wrote: »

I live in Kerry, the only cabinets are in Kilarney and Tralee. They are as about as useful as the cabinets up in Dublin

There are currently 1300+ cabinets mapped by Boards.ie members. The 2000th cabinet was installed in Greystones yesterday. There are 7500 cabinets to be installed in total. I really don't think they are just gonna do Tralee and Killarney. They have Dingle, Cahersiveen, Mucross, Ballyspillane, Killorglin and Listowel planned for Phase 5. So please try to be patient.

briggy

Imagine all the movies I can pirate with these new speeds!

red_bairn

briggy wrote: »

Imagine all the movies I can pirate with these new speeds!

I would put on the kettle and go to the shop for snacks while a blueray movie was downloading and it was ready when I got back...back in Korea.

Cheerful Spring

red_bairn wrote: »

What do you class as an "urban" area? Would you class Dingle(Kerry) an "urban" area?.

It is classed as an urban area. Doesn't matter if you or anyways else thinks it isn't!

I'll be happy once 80 to 90% of the Irish population can avail of something better than ASDL internet.

Eircom can claim certain places (mainly rural) are not commercially viable for them. Why is that though? I've heard cabinets cost in the region of 25,000-

So how many customers do you need realistically. 10? 20?

Eircom, is already charging the user and arm and a leg to use their ADSL. Realistically is cost even a factor?

And the Irish government stated they'll fund better internet for rural Ireland.

Why doesn't Eircom and the Irish government come together and work out something?

If nothing is going to be done. Should the price of ADSL not come down since there is an unequal balance between rural and urban areas?

red_bairn

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

It is classed as an urban area. Doesn't matter if you or anyways else thinks it isn't!

I'll be happy once 80 to 90% of the Irish population can avail of something better than ASDL internet.

Eircom can claim certain places (mainly rural) are not commercially viable for them. Why is that though? I've heard cabinets cost in the region of 25,000-

So how many customers do you need realistically. 10? 20?

Eircom, is already charging the user and arm and a leg to use their ADSL. Realistically is cost even a factor?

And the Irish government stated they'll fund better internet for rural Ireland.

Why doesn't Eircom and the Irish government come together and work out something?

If nothing is going to be done. Should the price of ADSL not come down since there is an unequal balance between rural and urban areas?

ADSL will come down in price. The topology most likely doesn't suit in many rural areas but there are places that this wouldn't be the problem but the houses are dispersed in some exchanges.

I'd be happy to see much cheaper prices and excellent coverage in Ireland but there are many factors that come in to being for networks. I'll hopefully get into that area myself in the future but I just can't see the telecommunications industry get close to 100% coverage with fibre optics due to topology and non-nuclear settlements.