pre 1980's modification extent?

SB6

Im thinking of getting a pre 1980's car and the one im looking at has a rotten floor pan.
So Im just wondering the limits of modification to the cars chassis is.
Is it ok to replace the entire floor with a modified floor from something else....?

Basically what im asking is whats the limit up to the point of I would be 'switching chassis plates' more or less???

Any related info in this area would be appreciated (new to the game), thanks

corktina

pre 1980 theres no test so it's hard to know how anyone would know what you did, provided you kept schtum about it.

SB6

understood, but it would be nice to know the proper limits, the regs on what can be replaced/modified etc... if there are any:)

Basil Fawlty

As long as the shell remains the same you dont have to worry about how much you replace. Your not modifying if your repairing or replacing panels so you have nothing to worry about. Also the rules on modifying are more to do with insurance than the dept of transport.

Zoo4m8

I'd be careful, replace too much particularly if its structural , have an accident ,even a minor one and your insurance company find it , they will be delighted to walk... I once changed a Mustang to right hand drive, company wouldn't insure me till an engineer , of their choice ,tested it....

SB6

I will be talking to the insurance company for more info when i get to that stage so I think. See what they say to an engineers inspection to make sure.

Got me thinking tho, what about wooden/glass fiber cars and the likes of really old cars in a crash? ............ and also isnt classic insurance only third party anyway, so that wouldn't really matter then. Like if your classic car falls apart or you injure yourself in the crash, you wouldn't be insured for that anyway?

Tommyboy40

SB6 wrote: »

I will be talking to the insurance company for more info when i get to that stage so I think. See what they say to an engineers inspection to make sure.

Got me thinking tho, what about wooden/glass fiber cars and the likes of really old cars in a crash? ............ and also isnt classic insurance only third party anyway, so that wouldn't really matter then. Like if your classic car falls apart or you injure yourself in the crash, you wouldn't be insured for that anyway?

Well mine are and I am!

SB6

Just bought meself a rusty manta:D

manta mad

SB6 wrote: »

Just bought meself a rusty manta:D

good man

get posting up pics and let us have a look !!!!

any help needed just shout ...

SB6

Haven't the car in my hands just yet......busy (not) studying for exams.
Made the final deal over the phone, I went to look at it last Saturday.

You can have a look at the ad tho:
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/4422731

Be warned, she aint prety yeat:)

Zoo4m8

Does it run by any chance?

SB6

Havent a clue. why?

Zoo4m8

One less thing to bother about, with a car like that that needs a lot of work every little helps! Brave man , fair play to ye!

SB6

There will be no need for that engine to start with my plans....:rolleyes::D

corktina

SB6 wrote: »

I will be talking to the insurance company for more info when i get to that stage so I think. See what they say to an engineers inspection to make sure.

Got me thinking tho, what about wooden/glass fiber cars and the likes of really old cars in a crash? ............ and also isnt classic insurance only third party anyway, so that wouldn't really matter then. Like if your classic car falls apart or you injure yourself in the crash, you wouldn't be insured for that anyway?

my classic insurance is fully comp

manta mad

yeeeesss ..been to that !!!

you will need to find a left hand wing for that ,which aint easy to find

floor pans are easy to make up for this ,and can be bought new in Germany..
good bit of welding to do to this....

but worth it as these A series are scarce here !

good luck with the project and keep us posted on progress

SB6

I will start a build thread here when that happens, I have to finish some other four wheelers next month first.
Also want to make sure that I get a replacement tax book first before I start any work.....

SB6

I suppose there are some cars behind that name 'manta mad'??

SB6

Actually does anyone here know about the rigmarode in getting a replacement book if there currently no book or owner to get the book from?

The last time I went about getting one I had to go to a main dealer, then a lawyer and send the book off to shannon i think. Is this the full process or is there another way for my situation?
Thanks

Bigus

I'd be sitting it straight on top a shortened version of this floor and chassis, running gear engine box , brakes suspension seats an all. of this

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/5003879

Bigus

Here's how you do it ,60's fintail merc onto 1995 CE chassis


http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1704188-w111-220se-fintail-streetrod.html

SB6

Thanks
That thread looks cool:D. Will have a read then get back here

SB6

Bigus wrote: »

I'd be sitting it straight on top a shortened version of this floor and chassis, running gear engine box , brakes suspension seats an all. of this

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/5003879

Yes something like that, originally I was thinking of:
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/5051847

But since I have a passat I thought another would be handy for parts later, so something like this:
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/5004091

Bigus

They are both fwd, omega is rwd and a descendent of older rwd Opels , so layout of components will be similar .

What was the idea with the passant when it comes to a Manta ?

SB6

Bigus wrote: »

They are both fwd, omega is rwd and a descendent of older rwd Opels , so layout of components will be similar .

What was the idea with the passant when it comes to a Manta ?

The plan, depending on insurance/engineers approval etc. and rules about car chassis would be to do something like............

Bigus wrote: »

Here's how you do it ,60's fintail merc onto 1995 CE chassis


http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1704188-w111-220se-fintail-streetrod.html

If im just not allowed to I will be transferring all suspension/running gear and interior into the manta

SB6

Still haven't read that thread.
Do you have any experience in this area?

SB6

What I wanted out of this project is a car that ticked all the boxes.

Different Looks good Solid on the road Cheap easy to get parts Comfortable Economic Fast Wont attract the wrong sort of people

The only thing im worying about is replacement glass. How does insurance deal with this for old rare cars does anyone know?

Bigus

Here's another


http://bugster.at/

My insurance covers me to drive anything I have a licence for (except steam driven), so there's a lot more latitude for me, when it comes to one offs.

I think you need to reign your plans back in if engineers and insurance companies are involved, simple engine and brake upgrade , otherwise it'll be just a show piece.

SB6

Bigus wrote: »

I think you need to reign your plans back in if engineers and insurance companies are involved, simple engine and brake upgrade , otherwise it'll be just a show piece.

There must be a way to go about it, when there a will there is a way
Need to find someone whos in the same position or has done it

Read thru that thread, lots of work, he seemed to bypass legislation about his extent of switching for his country when asked.

SB6

Collecting the car on tuesday....

SB6

Ive talked to an insurance company that I will likely go with. They want me to get the car inspected by a simi approved garage. So that is where ill be going for the next bit of information on what exactly they will be looking for. I am an engineer myself so I dont think I can go too for wrong......:rolleyes:
So I dont thing insurance will be a problem

SB6

Got the car anyway ages ago but have been fairly occupied since. Here she is in the shed:

SB6

I have gotten my donor car sorted thanks to a woman who crashed into another lad and then he went into the back of me. No serious damage but the classed as uneconomical to repair. So my 02 passat with an awx and a spare 6 speed gearbox I have in my shed is now what is going into the manta.

the engine is pretty good, but when shes out for the transplant I will clean the ringlands this time, the turbo is basically new, new clutch and flywheel.

Hopefully I mite have wings for the manta coming also

bbsrs

SB6 wrote: »

I have gotten my donor car sorted thanks to a woman who crashed into another lad and then he went into the back of me. No serious damage but the classed as uneconomical to repair. So my 02 passat with an awx and a spare 6 speed gearbox I have in my shed is now what is going into the manta.

the engine is pretty good, but when shes out for the transplant I will clean the ringlands this time, the turbo is basically new, new clutch and flywheel.

Hopefully I mite have wings for the manta coming also

Are you going to make the manta fwd tdi?

adunis

Wtf dude mashing a manta a and a Passat together in the name of jebus why ?,all that fab and you'll end up with an utterly worthless bastard,let me think of the easy alternatives oh red top on carbs ,LSD,bushing,coilovers anti roll bars and big brakes nice paint subtle interior upgrades and I didn't even look to see if that Passat was diesel if so there's something deeply wrong with you ........

The Big Red Fella

Stick a beams 3sge 6 speed & lsd in her never mind angela merkle rubbish lad!:D

carchaeologist

SB6 wrote: »

I have gotten my donor car sorted thanks to a woman who crashed into another lad and then he went into the back of me. No serious damage but the classed as uneconomical to repair. So my 02 passat with an awx and a spare 6 speed gearbox I have in my shed is now what is going into the manta.

the engine is pretty good, but when shes out for the transplant I will clean the ringlands this time, the turbo is basically new, new clutch and flywheel.

Hopefully I mite have wings for the manta coming also

This should be an interesting build.....

lomb

Looking forward to the results , please post pics as you do it.

SB6

bbsrs wrote: »

Are you going to make the manta fwd tdi?

That was the original plan yes. Im thinking now of the options of a higher ratio gearbox to mate to the pd engine, perhaps something bmw and then make it rwd, unless there are off the shelf gear sets for the passat gearbox. I know there is any amount of stuf for the 4x4 01e but dont know about the fwd box.

Some of you may not like what im doing but thats your opinion.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Bigus wrote: »

Here's another


http://bugster.at/

My insurance covers me to drive anything I have a licence for (except steam driven), so there's a lot more latitude for me, when it comes to one offs.

I think you need to reign your plans back in if engineers and insurance companies are involved, simple engine and brake upgrade , otherwise it'll be just a show piece.

What company is that, if I can ask?
And do they cover you to drive any car regardless of who owns it?

gn3dr

SB6 wrote: »

That was the original plan yes. Im thinking now of the options of a higher ratio gearbox to mate to the pd engine, perhaps something bmw and then make it rwd, unless there are off the shelf gear sets for the passat gearbox. I know there is any amount of stuf for the 4x4 01e but dont know about the fwd box.

Some of you may not like what im doing but thats your opinion.

Couple of options open to you
1) Get a vw or Audi quattro box from an a4 or a6. Lock up the centre diff and you now have a rwd box. Bit big and heavy though. It has been done.
2) There's a Dutch company that make a bell housing to mate the vw engine to a Ford rwd box. Then just get the correct ratio diff for a diesel.

I'm all for modifying classics but for Jesus sake don't try to make it fwd.

SB6

gn3dr wrote: »

Couple of options open to you
1) Get a vw or Audi quattro box from an a4 or a6. Lock up the centre diff and you now have a rwd box. Bit big and heavy though. It has been done.
2) There's a Dutch company that make a bell housing to mate the vw engine to a Ford rwd box. Then just get the correct ratio diff for a diesel.

I'm all for modifying classics but for Jesus sake don't try to make it fwd.

Ideally I would love to have it rwd but just looking at the fwd gearbox already on the pd engine has a lot of advantages, effort wise anyway.

Thank you thats a fair suggestion, I have seen tho the quattro box isnt that common and I want to make this car service friendly, i.e. parts that are easy to find and cheap.

I suppose the 4x4 gearbox wouldn't weigh that much more tho.... an extra 20kg would probably cover it? The extra weight would come into the extra equip at the rear end but would also add to evening out the weight distribution more evenly.........

Food for the brain, thanks

gn3dr

SB6 wrote: »

Ideally I would love to have it rwd but just looking at the fwd gearbox already on the pd engine has a lot of advantages, effort wise anyway.

Thank you thats a fair suggestion, I have seen tho the quattro box isnt that common and I want to make this car service friendly, i.e. parts that are easy to find and cheap.

I suppose the 4x4 gearbox wouldn't weigh that much more tho.... an extra 20kg would probably cover it? The extra weight would come into the extra equip at the rear end but would also add to evening out the weight distribution more evenly.........

Food for the brain, thanks

To be honest I doubt the vw fwd set up would fit anyway. To line up the front wheels with the drives, the engine will be sticking right out in front. It would't handle well I'd say.

I know someone who has put an Audi 1.8T into an MGB GT and the quattro box just fits the MG transmission tunnel with no cutting.

A third option for you. The Porsche 924 bell housing should bolt onto the VW engine. The Porsche has the gearbox / trans axle in the back. The trans axle is kind of based originally on an Audi box but the ratios would be wrong for diesel, but I wonder could the VW box put in its place?

SB6

A small bit of progress...........

type85

hi SB, do you know if the manta engine you have removed is a 1.6 or a 1.9?, and are you planning on keeping it or shifting it on?

SB6

type85 wrote: »

hi SB, do you know if the manta engine you have removed is a 1.6 or a 1.9?, and are you planning on keeping it or shifting it on?

Another man mite take it off me but only for a low price so if someone made a better offer id have to consider it. There are a couple of spare bits for the engine also like carb, manifolds.

type85

do you know what size it is? it will be cast into the side of the block, it'll be either 16s/16sh or 19s/19sh. and how much were you thinking? PM if you prefer.

iverjohnston

The only positive thing about your plan, is that it will make all the remaining original Manta's that little bit more valuable.

SB6

type85 wrote: »

do you know what size it is? it will be cast into the side of the block, it'll be either 16s/16sh or 19s/19sh. and how much were you thinking? PM if you prefer.

1.6 s she is