The amount of full films on YouTube is unbelievable

Ally Dick

Has something changed at YouTube ? They seem to have loads of full films up there now e.g. The Impossible. I thought that this type of thing would be very much contrary to their terms and conditions

johnny_ultimate

Ally Dick wrote: »

I thought that this type of thing would be very much contrary to their terms and conditions

It is. They will disappear promptly when spotted - only so fast their team can filter out the illegal stuff given the endless stream of content being uploaded.

Tipsy McSwagger

Lots of great docs on YouTube. I highly recommend Murder on a Sunday Morning.

MadYaker

I thought they only remove stuff when the people whos copyright is being infringed lodge a complaint? Surely considering the volume of stuff being uploaded every minute it would be impossible for them to monitor it in real time?

FYI: Every episode of Father Ted is on youtube, Channel 4 uploaded them if you're bored.

Tallon

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It is. They will disappear promptly when spotted - only so fast their team can filter out the illegal stuff given the endless stream of content being uploaded.

Why so?

Youtube has been showing movies for years. They have been mostly bollywood or really low budget, but they're recently trying to get others on there

They launched their 'Paid Subscription' service this week to possibly compete with Netflix etc

Google said it could be the end of TV :eek:

Check out: http://www.youtube.com/user/YouTubeMoviesWW

krudler

Paid subscription is the way a lot of networks will go imo, I'd gladly pay HBO or AMC a fixed amount to be able to watch GoT or Breaking Bad legally every week, I'm amazed they havent started doing it already. GoT is the most downloaded show on tv, if they embraced that and gave people a legal way to watch it beyond HBO Go (which you need a HBO subscription for anyway, which kinda defeats the purpose) then more people would use it. I rarely every watch tv so there's no way I'm getting a sky box and all the expense with it to watch a 10 episode show every year, but I'd happily pay the makers for it.

johnny_ultimate

Tallon wrote: »

Why so?

Youtube has been showing movies for years. They have been mostly bollywood or really low budget, but they're recently trying to get others on there

Because there's a big difference between the small amount of legitimately uploaded small films and illegal ones referenced in the OP (eg The Impossible). You can rest assured when a recent high-profile production is up there it is up there illegally, and that isn't going to change in the foreseeable future, and certainly not on standard, non-subscription youtube.

Outkast_IRE

krudler wrote: »

Paid subscription is the way a lot of networks will go imo, I'd gladly pay HBO or AMC a fixed amount to be able to watch GoT or Breaking Bad legally every week, I'm amazed they havent started doing it already. GoT is the most downloaded show on tv, if they embraced that and gave people a legal way to watch it beyond HBO Go (which you need a HBO subscription for anyway, which kinda defeats the purpose) then more people would use it. I rarely every watch tv so there's no way I'm getting a sky box and all the expense with it to watch a 10 episode show every year, but I'd happily pay the makers for it.

Game of thrones is also in the unfortunate position of not being able to have any product placement. They will take any additonal product stream they can get.

Although game of thrones, has the advantage of easily creating spin-off merchandise, which is something mad-men , breaking bad will find tougher.

krudler

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Game of thrones is also in the unfortunate position of not being able to have any product placement. They will take any additonal product stream they can get.

They could if they wanted to :pac:

"Khaleesi, the new fragrance by Daenerys Targaryen"

Outkast_IRE

krudler wrote: »

They could if they wanted to :pac:

"Khaleesi, the new fragrance by Daenerys Targaryen"

It smells of fire and blood

Duggy747

It's near impossible for the team to notice these videos until someone flags them or they receive a notice.

You'll find new and popular movies but they won't be up there for long.

spillit67

HBO won't be launching a servicd like that anytime soon. They've done their homework, their current model gives them their most revenue. The percentage of illegals who cross over won't make up for the lost income of their current model.

People have been saying the same with their dvds being released so long after for years as well. They won't risk their current cash cow unless that is in trouble.

spillit67

spillit67 wrote: »

HBO won't be launching a servicd like that anytime soon. They've done their homework, their current model gives them their most revenue. The percentage of illegals who cross over won't make up for the lost income of their current model.

People have been saying the same with their dvds being released so long after for years as well. They won't risk their current cash cow unless that is in trouble.

Actually HBO are in the process of making HBO Go available as a paid for subscription.

Sulla Felix

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually HBO are in the process of making HBO Go available as a paid for subscription.

I thought that was only Stateside? I'd have thought the cash from syndication would trump making it available here.

Sulla Felix

Sulla Felix wrote: »

I thought that was only Stateside? I'd have thought the cash from syndication would trump making it available here.

The plan is to expand it worldwide, I imagine that they will partner up with broadcasters such as Sky and offer something akin to a premium Netflix.

spillit67

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually HBO are in the process of making HBO Go available as a paid for subscription.

No they're not.

http://m.deadline.com/2013/05/hbo-go-without-cable-not-yet-says-time-warner-chief/

spillit67

spillit67 wrote: »

No they're not.

http://m.deadline.com/2013/05/hbo-go-without-cable-not-yet-says-time-warner-chief/

Yes they are, they are currently examining the best way to market the service and one article from someone involved denying it is hardly conclusive proof that it's on hold.

spillit67

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes they are, they are currently examining the best way to market the service and one article from someone involved denying it is hardly conclusive proof that it's on hold.

Where is your evidence. The CEO of Tims Warner just 10 days ago said no

spillit67

spillit67 wrote: »

Where is your evidence. The CEO of Tims Warner just 10 days ago said no

The is the whole, many of the stars of their shows recently had clauses added to their contracts regarding an online streaming service as well as the fact that lawyers were looking into it for them the legal minefield that is expanding the service. Just because a CEO denies something is hardly fact, how many times has a CEO came out and said that such and such will never happen only for it to occur days later.

spillit67

Sorry hang on, that's your evidence of them figuring out "how to market it"? Those clauses can be inserted into contracts for contingency purposes Where is the link to this anyway?

Of course HBO have considered it. But the financial benefit of doing it for them just isn't there yet. I think its a mistake long term as you are entrenching going illegal in a generation of people but that's just their view at the moment. They have great deals with cable which they are not going to sacrifice yet.

As for Sky doing it, I highly doubt it. Sky paid millions to HBO for their content. They want people to use the Sky platform, not a standalone subscription. Sky have fought tooth and nail for years to stop channels going individually onto operators and for the likes of Sky Atlantic not to be on other cable providers. Maybe HBO Go will come as part of your Sky Digital/Broadband package but I don't see it going as a individual sub anytimg soon.

spillit67

spillit67 wrote: »

Sorry hang on, that's your evidence of them figuring out "how to market it"? Those clauses can be inserted into contracts for contingency purposes Where is the link to this anyway?

Of course HBO have considered it. But the financial benefit of doing it for them just isn't there yet. I think its a mistake long term as you are entrenching going illegal in a generation of people but that's just their view at the moment. They have great deals with cable which they are not going to sacrifice yet.

As for Sky doing it, I highly doubt it. Sky paid millions to HBO for their content. They want people to use the Sky platform, not a standalone subscription. Sky have fought tooth and nail for years to stop channels going individually onto operators and for the likes of Sky Atlantic not to be on other cable providers. Maybe HBO Go will come as part of your Sky Digital/Broadband package but I don't see it going as a individual sub anytimg soon.

No my evidence comes from many of the reports about the plan as well as a conversation with a number of people who have been involved in meetings with HBO upper management about rolling out the service. The contract stuff was updated recently so as to future proof themselves but also so as to pave the way for HBO Go going wide. They do not want to be in a situation where piracy levels continue to rise and they lose out because they refuse to change with the times.

And Sky have already rolled out their subscription services which is available to anyone who has an Xbox. HBO's plan is that in countries such as Britain and Ireland they would partner up with an existing broadcasters who show their content. Once Sky's exclusive deal with Microsoft is over then they will be expanding the service across every platform.

spillit67

Reports? Where are these reports? I can't find anything online about this.

Sky's deal with Xbox was a lucrative one. They were getting a percentage of Xbox Gold subs and the extra sub people were paying for their services (if they weren't already Sky). All in all it wouldn't have been much less than say a standard person subbing to Sky digital with the movies pack. So Sky aren't going to allow people to get something on the tv without them paying a whole heap of money on it. If it goes non exclusive to Xbox, PS3 customers will pay through the nose for it if they are not a Sky subscriber.

In fairness they are allowing one day passes to Sky Sports now but it is bloody expensive. They also have a mobile per month sub but of course that is useless for tv.

I don't see why Sky would allow an individual HBO Go when they launched Sky Atlantic as a way to get people to join their entertainment pack on their platform.

spillit67

spillit67 wrote: »

Reports? Where are these reports? I can't find anything online about this.

Sky's deal with Xbox was a lucrative one. They were getting a percentage of Xbox Gold subs and the extra sub people were paying for their services (if they weren't already Sky). All in all it wouldn't have been much less than say a standard person subbing to Sky digital with the movies pack. So Sky aren't going to allow people to get something on the tv without them paying a whole heap of money on it. If it goes non exclusive to Xbox, PS3 customers will pay through the nose for it if they are not a Sky subscriber.

In fairness they are allowing one day passes to Sky Sports now but it is bloody expensive. They also have a mobile per month sub but of course that is useless for tv.

I don't see why Sky would allow an individual HBO Go when they launched Sky Atlantic as a way to get people to join their entertainment pack on their platform.

There are dozens of reports of HBO offering a streaming service. I read it in business week awhile back and a dozen other places.

Read back over everything that I have said about Sky and HBO. I have repeatedly said that HBO's plan for countries such as Ireland and the UK is to partner up with existing broadcasters. They would piggyback on Sky's existing streaming service and offer their content through it. There are already plans for Sky to expand their streaming service and bundle it with their internet. The next year or so is going to be interesting when it comes to TV and streaming services and I genuinely believe that traditional TV is going to undergo a massive transformation.

spillit67

Sorry that adds nothing. There was one report from the HBO CEO at the end of March where he said they would look at it. But just 10 days ago the Time Warner CEO said after looking at it, no. What are the other reports which aren't merely speculation?

So all HBO would be doing with Sky is essentially adding more content. There is already lots of HBO content on Sky Go. It wouldn't be a radical internet only subscription for HBO only content like HBO Go. Sky charge 18 euro per month currently for Sky Go Entertainment for a month, no HD, movies and a limited number of channels. Sky really don't need to change atm because they control so much content. If Netflix and Lovefilm were better competition then maybe they would but with HBO content and the expensive movie deals they have I still couldn't see them charging anything under 15.

One report but from that and further developments it's clear that HBO are actively pursuing a streaming platform. The plan has always been for them to partner up with broadcasters outside the US to expand it. It may not be a massive change up over here but in the US it alongside Netflix's original content will seriously change the way TV is made.

It's in Time Warner's internet to try and keep any talk of HBO Go going wide dairly quite as it could seriously affect their bottom line but it's going to happen. Just a question of when.

BostonB

krudler wrote: »

Paid subscription is the way a lot of networks will go ...

Only where the broadband will support it.

spillit67

Deleted User wrote: »

One report but from that and further developments it's clear that HBO are actively pursuing a streaming platform. The plan has always been for them to partner up with broadcasters outside the US to expand it. It may not be a massive change up over here but in the US it alongside Netflix's original content will seriously change the way TV is made.

It's in Time Warner's internet to try and keep any talk of HBO Go going wide dairly quite as it could seriously affect their bottom line but it's going to happen. Just a question of when.

Sorry you said they were at the planning to market it stage, that suggests it is imminent. Where is your evidence? What are the recent developments? The only evidence out there is the HBO CEO saying "Maybe" but "Right now we have the right model."

Why is it in TW's interests? It won't affect their bottom line right now. You are right that it isn't in their interests long term, as it will damage their cable offering. So the question is, why the **** would they do it?

This would happen imo if McCain's bill to try and force cable companies to unbundle channels happens. At the minute; HBO is too lucrative for their cable business to allow it to go onto the internet as a standalone. Remember the cable companies in a lot of cases are the internet providers.

The cable company make money from forcing a crap load of content you don't want down your throat and charging an arm and a leg for it. 1 out of every 4 cable dollars goes to ESPN for example, if you don't like sports then tough luck. The internet companies make money from the usual business activities and having data caps. HBO Go offered as part of Comcast broadband would take away millions of Comcast cable providers and at the same time infringe onto their internet model as HBO=data caps see ya later when you are providing HBO on your service.

It is not in their interests to allow this to happen and they will continue to give HBO great money through cable for it not to happen.

Ultimately it may well happen as cable companies bundle more of their services and they all converge with the internet speeds improving. But nothing suggests it will be in the near future.

As for internationally, I just don't see it in Britain and Ireland given Sky's deal with HBO and Sky's vice grip here. They have already partnered with Sky to provide content to Sky and their streaming services and it is bloody expensive; all without the movies you get with HBO GO or the same catalogue. Maybe in other countries.

spillit67

spillit67 wrote: »

Sorry you said they were at the planning to market it stage, that suggests it is imminent. Where is your evidence? What are the recent developments? The only evidence out there is the HBO CEO saying "Maybe" but "Right now we have the right model."

Why is it in TW's interests? It won't affect their bottom line right now. You are right that it isn't in their interests long term, as it will damage their cable offering. So the question is, why the **** would they do it?

This would happen imo if McCain's bill to try and force cable companies to unbundle channels happens. At the minute; HBO is too lucrative for their cable business to allow it to go onto the internet as a standalone. Remember the cable companies in a lot of cases are the internet providers.

The cable company make money from forcing a crap load of content you don't want down your throat and charging an arm and a leg for it. 1 out of every 4 cable dollars goes to ESPN for example, if you don't like sports then tough luck. The internet companies make money from the usual business activities and having data caps. HBO Go offered as part of Comcast broadband would take away millions of Comcast cable providers and at the same time infringe onto their internet model as HBO=data caps see ya later when you are providing HBO on your service.

It is not in their interests to allow this to happen and they will continue to give HBO great money through cable for it not to happen.

Ultimately it may well happen as cable companies bundle more of their services and they all converge with the internet speeds improving. But nothing suggests it will be in the near future.

As for internationally, I just don't see it in Britain and Ireland given Sky's deal with HBO and Sky's vice grip here. They have already partnered with Sky to provide content to Sky and their streaming services and it is bloody expensive; all without the movies you get with HBO GO or the same catalogue. Maybe in other countries.

They are at the stage where marketing is being considered but with something such as this marketing could take years. It took Netflix years of behind the scenes work to bring Netflix to Europe yet most people only became aware of it in the weeks leading up to the launch last year. My evidence comes from discussions I have had with people who have been in meetings with the higher ups at HBO aswell as a number of people who work on the shows.

HBO Go could do serious damage to TW's bottom long both in the short and long term. Offer HBO through a streaming service and a lot of people would be inclined to drop their TV package. I know that when we were in the US only reason we had TV at all was for HBO, AMC and the like but after a few months we got rid of it as it simply wasn't worth the cost. A lot of people would, if given the opportunity drop their TV package if they could cherry pick the services they wanted as on-demand.

Internationally it would be a hell of a lot easier for HBO to launch their streaming service as they would partner up with services such as Sky. Sky Player is expensive as hell but if they were to offer a wider range of contentment from providers such as HBO then it would look a lot more appealing. HBO do not want to go and launch a stand alone streaming service in the UK and Ireland when they can simply use existing infrastructure such as Sky's.

I think we've dragged this thread far enough off track. Back to discussing youtube and the films on there

ScumLord

The TV producers really need to roll their sleeves up and get with the program. Even the likes of 4OD is pretty poor to the point if you see something up on it you're better off looking for the illegal download because the quality is so poor on 4OD.

I still don't see how they can be competitive, even if they do bring out a proper HD service it'll probably be priced in such a way as to keep illegal copies going. If I have to buy a license for HBO, RTE, BBC and so on separately it's going to make it too expensive.

spillit67

HBO Go could do serious damage to TW's bottom long both in the short and long term. Offer HBO through a streaming service and a lot of people would be inclined to drop their TV package. I know that when we were in the US only reason we had TV at all was for HBO, AMC and the like but after a few months we got rid of it as it simply wasn't worth the cost. A lot of people would, if given the opportunity drop their TV package if they could cherry pick the services they wanted as on-demand.

Exactly. Why would Time Warner allow HBO to break from cable. THEY OWN HBO. Why would they destroy their own cable company?

Why would TW damage their own business? Why would they allow people to drop their profitable cable company? Why are they fighting McCain's Bill?

They won't, hence why the TW CEO said no.

Internationally it would be a hell of a lot easier for HBO to launch their streaming service as they would partner up with services such as Sky. Sky Player is expensive as hell but if they were to offer a wider range of contentment from providers such as HBO then it would look a lot more appealing. HBO do not want to go and launch a stand alone streaming service in the UK and Ireland when they can simply use existing infrastructure such as Sky's.

Except they are already on Sky as I said. Sky have the rights to their shows online and on tv already, they have paid £150 million over 5 years. They are already on Sky Go. Sky Go already carries HBO. It is an expensive service and isn't HD as a standalone. It is ridiculously expensive. Sky have way more movies, all the sport a huge chunk of the worthwhile tv out there, they have the content. They charge a bomb for it because it is appealing but they control the content.

You are merely speculating. "Insider" sources, yeah okay I believe you. I believe they've already started trying to figure out "how to market it" when you say yourself, that there is no idea of a launch date. Business 101.

Quit the spoof.

spillit67

spillit67 wrote: »

Exactly. Why would Time Warner allow HBO to break from cable. THEY OWN HBO. Why would they destroy their own cable company?

Why would TW damage their own business? Why would they allow people to drop their profitable cable company? Why are they fighting McCain's Bill?

They won't, hence why the TW CEO said no.

No one said anything about breaking from cable. I'm not sure where you are getting that from. They would continue to keep up the cable aspect but at the same time offer those who do not subscrbe to the cable channel access to HBO Go.

spillit67 wrote: »

Except they are already on Sky as I said. Sky have the rights to their shows online and on tv already, they have paid £150 million over 5 years. They are already on Sky Go. Sky Go already carries HBO. It is an expensive service and isn't HD as a standalone. It is ridiculously expensive. Sky have way more movies, all the sport a huge chunk of the worthwhile tv out there, they have the content. They charge a bomb for it because it is appealing but they control the content.

You are merely speculating. "Insider" sources, yeah okay I believe you. I believe they've already started trying to figure out "how to market it" when you say yourself, that there is no idea of a launch date. Business 101.

Quit the spoof.

I'm not speculating at all. If you want you are more than welcome to come along to a talk involving many of those involved in London in September. It will discuss how models such as HBO's, AMC's, etc will adapt to new markets. Many of those speaking there are involved in HBO's current on-demand plans.

Just because there is no launch date does not mean that they are not actively looking into how to market it. Netflix spent years looking into extending their service to Europe and were actively looking at how to market it well before they had a launch date/

The plans regarding countries such as the UK and Ireland include extending the existing infrastructure in place. We all know they are on Sky, you are the one who seems unable to understand that was HBO Go to launch in Europe it would not be a separate entity to Sky's. It would be offered through Sky's on-demand service which is going to be undergoing a number of changes once Sky broadband is more established.

briany

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Lots of great docs on YouTube. I highly recommend Murder on a Sunday Morning.

YT is particularly good for docs and particularly docs that you can find nowhere else. Not on-demand, not DVD, not VHS or laserdisc. Some thoughtful person takes something that they nonchalantly recorded off BBC 25 years ago, buys a machine to transfer VHS to computer and humanity is that little bit richer for it. Thanks, YouTube!

spillit67

How do you not get this. Putting HBO GO as a standalone, internet sub would severly damage their cable business. People who want just HBO will leave cable, they know this. That is why TW haven't done it.

I never said they'd leave cable, they would be leaving being a cosy relationship with the cable operators where they are the sole distributors. They pay HBO to carry the channels, get a chunk of the extra fees people pay to carry HBO and enjoy the free marketing cable companies give them through promotions and discounts.

You haven't answered this. Why would TW allow their cable business be damaged majorly?

As for this stuff on Sky. "We all know they are on Sky". You said previously they're looking to partner with Sky, they are for the tune of 150m over 5 years. Sky Go has lots of HBO stuff already. HBO Go in its US format cannot launch here because of rights issues over films. HBO are set in the UK until the end of 2015.

Now its I should come to a talk in London, your insider story is changing. You haven't shown me why it is economically sound for TW to allow it, for the cable companies not to incentivise the HBO not to or any tangible evidence that they are going to do it. Your original assertion was they were in the process of rolling it out and then they were deciding how to market it (even if they have no launch date and its not in the future).`

The issue of cable companies being the internet ones is HUGE. Until the can get high speed internet in everywhere which they can charge for accordingly and drop data being a huge driver (freeing space for data streaming of daily tv shows) then it isn't in their interest to allow cable tv to mesh with the internet.

I do agree if Netflix Original series takes off and other competitors chip away in terms of quality whilst HBOs goes down (hence a drastic fall off in HBO subs), McCain's new Bill in Congress and the nature of cable changing could prompt a change within 5 years but you saying originally that they were going to roll it out is incorrect.

I firmly believe this is down to the cable companies, however. It would have to be a spectacular market share drop for HBO/TW to force themselves out of the vice grip.

newsunglasses

I watched the 4od 9/11 documentary which was very good,i watched david mcintyre toughest cities,and ross kemp and some louie theoroux(i find him very good)..

Lots of different documentaries you can see online,and i was watching a bit about walid shoebat on the religion of the anti christ,and some others on walid shoebat,and how in interpets the christian bible,he interpets it the way it is,and i learned a LOT about islam on it too.

spillit67

spillit67 wrote: »

How do you not get this. Putting HBO GO as a standalone, internet sub would severly damage their cable business. People who want just HBO will leave cable, they know this. That is why TW haven't done it.

I never said they'd leave cable, they would be leaving being a cosy relationship with the cable operators where they are the sole distributors. They pay HBO to carry the channels, get a chunk of the extra fees people pay to carry HBO and enjoy the free marketing cable companies give them through promotions and discounts.

You haven't answered this. Why would TW allow their cable business be damaged majorly?

HBO have already began expanding their on-demand service and are now offering it on the roklu device and on the 360 with further with plans for other devices to be added soon. The reason why HBO would look to expand their on-demand service and allow non-subscribers to pay for access to their content is down to the fact they believe that there is a large portion of the population who do not currently subscribe to HBO but would like to avail of their programming.

spillit67 wrote: »

As for this stuff on Sky. "We all know they are on Sky". You said previously they're looking to partner with Sky, they are for the tune of 150m over 5 years. Sky Go has lots of HBO stuff already. HBO Go in its US format cannot launch here because of rights issues over films. HBO are set in the UK until the end of 2015.

Read back over my points regarding Sky and HBO. The plan atm is that if HBO on demand service is launched they will be partnering with broadcasters such as Sky. That means that they will be allowing Sky to package premium HBO content as part of their on-demand service. What that would mean is that a considerable portion of HBO's thousands of hours of existing TV would be available through Sky. atm there is very little HBO content available on the streaming service.

spillit67 wrote: »

Now its I should come to a talk in London, your insider story is changing. You haven't shown me why it is economically sound for TW to allow it, for the cable companies not to incentivise the HBO not to or any tangible evidence that they are going to do it. Your original assertion was they were in the process of rolling it out and then they were deciding how to market it (even if they have no launch date and its not in the future).`

I merely extended you an invite to something that may be of interest of you. The insiders I know will be there and it's through my involvement in this event that I have gotten to know them.

spillit67 wrote: »

The issue of cable companies being the internet ones is HUGE. Until the can get high speed internet in everywhere which they can charge for accordingly and drop data being a huge driver (freeing space for data streaming of daily tv shows) then it isn't in their interest to allow cable tv to mesh with the internet.

I do agree if Netflix Original series takes off and other competitors chip away in terms of quality whilst HBOs goes down (hence a drastic fall off in HBO subs), McCain's new Bill in Congress and the nature of cable changing could prompt a change within 5 years but you saying originally that they were going to roll it out is incorrect.

I firmly believe this is down to the cable companies, however. It would have to be a spectacular market share drop for HBO/TW to force themselves out of the vice grip.

They are still planning to roll it out. It's not a case of if but when. HBO want to expand their business model and are actively pursuing an on-demand service.

Look if you want I'm more than happy to grab a pint and discuss this in depth with you. A number of the people I know who work in HBO will hopefully be in Ireland around the time of the London talk and I'm sure that they'd be happy to grab a pint.

Anyone looking for a few good docs on youtube should check out the Dave Allen documentaries that are up there. Some truly wonderful viewing there.

Spurtacus

Could anyone clarify the Irish legal position of me watching say Die Hard II on youtube, leaving aside the ethical argument.

briany

Spurtacus wrote: »

Could anyone clarify the Irish legal position of me watching say Die Hard II on youtube, leaving aside the ethical argument.

If an end user from this country has ever been done for watching copyrighted material then I must not have heard about it. If they were uploading, maybe it would be different.

losthorizon

There are some great films on there which are out of copyright like The Most Dangerous Game. I bought on a recommendation a film called Rome Express which is out of copyright and it turned out to be very good. Its the grandaddy of Gangsters and Murders on a train film. It really held up well considering the film was made in 1932!

I see another film i was told about Friday the Thirteenth is on youtube (out of copyright)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbf25Pf9OAI

Its funny to see Ireland referred to as the Irish Free state in the credits as it was in Rome Express.

spillit67

HBO have already began expanding their on-demand service and are now offering it on the roklu device and on the 360 with further with plans for other devices to be added soon. The reason why HBO would look to expand their on-demand service and allow non-subscribers to pay for access to their content is down to the fact they believe that there is a large portion of the population who do not currently subscribe to HBO but would like to avail of their programming.

Forgot about this thread and just reading it again now and want to address this point.

You still need a cable subscription to view HBO through these devices. You cannot sign up without a cable subscription. The same goes for WatchESPN.

HBO have recently gone onto a Comcast Internet package which is movement, but it is a slow one and you are still forced to pay a very high intro price. It isn't standalone.

Listen, I'm well aware that HBO would look to expand their reach BUT for the reasons above (fees and free promotion from cable, HBO's ownership) it isn't on the cards still. The marginal benefit just isn't there yet.

As for your HBO Go in the UK point...they already partner with Sky. Sky already distribute HBO product through Sky Atlantic and Sky Go, they get paid a heap for it and the beauty is by not launching directly here they don't spend a penny on promotion.

You speak about why HBO would go standalone and why they would launch in the UK in such generalities. You haven't provided the financial nor the business case for them doing so. 6 months on since you said they were in the "process" (with quotes backing none of you what you said up) and had a "plan to expand it worldwide" it still hasn't happened. What was the event anyway?

jaykhunter

With regards to YouTube copyright, every video updated is scanned and compared to every video/music file in their database (via a video movement/waveform algorithm). These reference files are given to YouTube by film/tv/music companies.
Say someone uploads a hollywood film to youtube. The outcome is either :
1) It's not matched. The video appears on YouTube; nothing happens (yet).
2) It's matched - the copyright holders (eg Mirimax) can either block it altogether, or monetise it. If blocked, it never sees the light of day on youtube. If the latter, it stays up on youtube but with ads.

If it's not matched, it stays up until someone reports it. YouTube are quite "guilty until proven innocent" and will take down the video pro-actively and it's up to the uploader to fight the decision and even get into litigation. This is a bane for legitimate uploaders whose videos have been falsely claimed/flagged by ***holes.

With regards to watching obviously illegal films on YouTube, yes it is illegal, as you are receiving goods by means not intended, but film companies' MO dealing with these is just to get the video taken down. If any legal action is taken (which is unlikely) it'd be with the uploader; (it is not youtube viewers responsibility to police youtube). So the likelihood of any kind of sanction from watching films on YouTube is minuscule.

spillit67

An update on streaming, HBO just agreed to put their back catalogue on Amazon Prime.

Looks like HBO Go is further and further away...

spillit67

spillit67 wrote: »

An update on streaming, HBO just agreed to put their back catalogue on Amazon Prime.

Looks like HBO Go is further and further away...

Not really when you look at the amazon deal. There's a number of high profile shows that won't be available and without access to current shows it's limited.

spillit67

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really when you look at the amazon deal. There's a number of high profile shows that won't be available and without access to current shows it's limited.

Almost one year on from you telling us that HBO Go was going to be expanded off cable and be standalone and it isn't happening. All this move does is reinforce the current HBO business model, which is not moving from the bosom of cable or Sky (who JUST signed up for another 5 years of HBO http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/news/a547620/sky-signs-new-five-year-deal-for-rights-to-entire-hbo-tv-catalogue.html). The mythical launch of HBO Go off cable and in the UK/Ire is not happening. They have just signed a long term back catelogue deal with Amazon and extended their content deal with Sky, it is not happening.

You original post suggested HBO were about to launch HBO Go as a standalone service in the States (they aren't) and that they were going to "partner" up with someone abroad for HBO Go (they aren't, they have been with Sky for 4 years and will remain so for another 6 as per their contract).

Just admit you made the whole thing up already.

spillit67

spillit67 wrote: »

Almost one year on from you telling us that HBO Go was going to be expanded off cable and be standalone and it isn't happening. All this move does is reinforce the current HBO business model, which is not moving from the bosom of cable or Sky (who JUST signed up for another 5 years of HBO http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/news/a547620/sky-signs-new-five-year-deal-for-rights-to-entire-hbo-tv-catalogue.html). The mythical launch of HBO Go off cable and in the UK/Ire is not happening. They have just signed a long term back catelogue deal with Amazon and extended their content deal with Sky, it is not happening.

You original post suggested HBO were about to launch HBO Go as a standalone service in the States (they aren't) and that they were going to "partner" up with someone abroad for HBO Go (they aren't, they have been with Sky for 4 years and will remain so for another 6 as per their contract).

Just admit you made the whole thing up already.

What I said a year ago was that "HBO are in the process of making HBO Go available as a paid for subscription" and "they are currently examining the best way to market the service." Expanding the streaming service takes time and it could be another few years before we see anything from HBO Go offered as a stand alone. I never gave any time frame or stated that it was happening soon, rather that it was being planned.

I also said that "I imagine that they will partner up with broadcasters such as Sky and offer something akin to a premium Netflix." Which is exactly what has happened in the past year. Sky Go has a large number of HBO shows on it and can be gotten without a subscription to Sky. No one ever mentioned HBO Go as being available independently in Ireland or the UK.

And so what if they signed a deal with amazon. Doesn't mean that HBO Go won't be expanded and offered to non subscribers for a monthly fee. The amazon deal looks great but when you look at the huge shows not available through it it's suddenly a whole lot less appealing.

designbydan

Deleted User wrote: »

What I said a year ago was .....

Even if you were arguing with your wife/gf/whatever, I doubt you'd have to defend something you said a year ago

designbydan

designbydan wrote: »

Even if you were arguing with your wife/gf/whatever, I doubt you'd have to defend something you said a year ago

To be honest I don't mind having to go over the same things again but the accusation that I made it up is odd. Honestly if I was going to create something and lie it would be far more interesting than anything releated to HOB expanding.

SeantheMan

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It is. They will disappear promptly when spotted - only so fast their team can filter out the illegal stuff given the endless stream of content being uploaded.

I'm nearly sure it's an automated process that scans the uploaded content for copyrighted video and music.
This is what some of the huge fuss was recently about all the gaming videos.

SeantheMan

SeantheMan wrote: »

I'm nearly sure it's an automated process that scans the uploaded content for copyrighted video and music.
This is what some of the huge fuss was recently about all the gaming videos.

They use a process called Content ID. What happens is that copyright holders submit copies of content or ID files which youtube then runs against material uploaded to the site. The content owner then has a number of options over what to do if content belonging to them is found on the site. They can block it which means the video is remove, they can track it which allows them to keep track of how often it's viewed any by whom and finally, they can monetize it meaning that have ads added to their content and make money from it.

There's been a move in recent years in leave content up and make some money off it. I can't remember where but I recall reading somewhere that over a third of all youtube's revenue came from content ID.

The process seems to be on that favors the major content owners, I know a number of independent film makers that had a tough time getting their films taken off of youtube. One person I know found his complete film uploaded to the site three months before the DVD was released.

jaykhunter

Before release? That's sad to hear. I'm sure he got it taken down very quick - Youtube have a guilty until proven innocent stance with flagging and copyright claims, even in erroneous or obviously fair use situations.

I wonder if submitting a video to content ID is expensive - having a video library resource of basically every big copyrighted film and TV show (not to mention music) that's constantly accessed must cost a lot of money to maintain. If some movies are wrongfully still up it's likely the copyright holder hasn't uploaded the video to content ID (yet).

spillit67

Deleted User wrote: »

What I said a year ago was that "HBO are in the process of making HBO Go available as a paid for subscription" and "they are currently examining the best way to market the service." Expanding the streaming service takes time and it could be another few years before we see anything from HBO Go offered as a stand alone. I never gave any time frame or stated that it was happening soon, rather that it was being planned.

I also said that "I imagine that they will partner up with broadcasters such as Sky and offer something akin to a premium Netflix." Which is exactly what has happened in the past year. Sky Go has a large number of HBO shows on it and can be gotten without a subscription to Sky. No one ever mentioned HBO Go as being available independently in Ireland or the UK.

And so what if they signed a deal with amazon. Doesn't mean that HBO Go won't be expanded and offered to non subscribers for a monthly fee. The amazon deal looks great but when you look at the huge shows not available through it it's suddenly a whole lot less appealing.

Sky have been with HBO since 2010, as I pointed out to you earlier in this thread. HBO content has been available since Sky Go launched. Nothing has changed. What you said last year was they would be looking to expand in UK/Ire through a service like Sky - when they were already there.

You said;

HBO's plan is that in countries such as Britain and Ireland they would partner up with an existing broadcasters who show their content

Sky and HBO have been partners since 2010.:rolleyes:

This was my post from last year which you replied to;

spillit67 wrote: »

HBO won't be launching a servicd like that anytime soon. They've done their homework, their current model gives them their most revenue. The percentage of illegals who cross over won't make up for the lost income of their current model.

People have been saying the same with their dvds being released so long after for years as well. They won't risk their current cash cow unless that is in trouble.

With;

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually HBO are in the process of making HBO Go available as a paid for subscription.

"anytime soon" responded with "in the process".

And more;

No my evidence comes from many of the reports about the plan as well as a conversation with a number of people who have been involved in meetings with HBO upper management about rolling out the service

"Rolling out". Yep sure.

You are now claiming you said - sometime in the future - I dunno but some time.:rolleyes: This was after all of your high level discussions on the matter.:rolleyes:

The reality is that this Amazon Prime deal has put that to the side for another couple of years at least. HBO would not be partnering with someone else for their back catalogue stuff if HBO Go as a standalone was a runner. Their bread and butter is still cable. Keeping their new stuff on cable, keeping TW happy there and enjoying high kick back fees and having cable giving them free promotion.