Is it to easy

egan04921

hi lads just want to get your thoughts on gun set-up. iv a .22 with a 4*12*50 scope, bi-pod and suppressor and im starting to think its taking the sport out of hunting (like how could you miss).
I was thinking about just using iron sights, but is this just going from one extreme to the other. it'll be grate to hear your thoughts, thanks.

valerossi

Well my father was a jaw dropping shot with iron sights but he was a soldier al his life and i regularly shoot with iron sights when i find the scope fairy has f**ked with it and its no longer zeroed. I find it grand really but think it defeats the point of a rifle to an extent but it is a fun challenge so i say go for it and leave the bi pod at home to. Plus if your hitting your target every time push out your range a bit, but do it safely with a big back stop.

Cass

Was in a dealers the other day, and picked up a new CZ. The way the iron sights sit is something you cannot get with a scope. Quick acquisition, good fun, and if you are already well experienced with a the rifle why not challenge yourself to something new.

Go for it. If you don't like it then just put the scope back on. When taking it off leave it in the rings, and mark the rail so it can go back onto the exact same spot.

One shot on kill

Go for it you can only get better because your marksmanship fundamentals have to be top notch.

Ziggieire

i have a friend that could shoot a whisker of a ants face at 100m with a scope, let him off in a field full of rabbits and anything less than 80m and over 120 is safe, infact i have never seen him kill anything with it, but not for lack of trying.

One shot on kill

What distance were the ants.

yubabill1

I spent a year without a scope once. It was a challenge. After 50-60 yards, it's very difficult to hit a rabbit with bead sights. Flora can cause a lot of problems. Probably could get more distance with target-type ring sights, but you would have to make very sure each and every time that your target was in the centre before shooting.

zeissman

egan04921 wrote: »

hi lads just want to get your thoughts on gun set-up. iv a .22 with a 4*12*50 scope, bi-pod and suppressor and im starting to think its taking the sport out of hunting (like how could you miss).
I was thinking about just using iron sights, but is this just going from one extreme to the other. it'll be grate to hear your thoughts, thanks.

Dont worry about it you will start missing soon enough

cookimonster

Started off my shooting with iron sights and carried on for many of my younger years doing so. Once I went to scopes I never went back. I do swap out the scope on my spare .22 for iron / red dot sights when the itch needs to be scratched.
This could derail the tread but there is something to the question 'hunting or shooting?', ie when does it become less about hunting skills and more dependent on the use of the hardware.
I have my .22's zeroed for 50m and usually hunt in and around that distance preferring to get closer to my quarry.
Try one of two things, hunt closer to your prey therefore taxing your fieldcraft or push your shooting distance out beyound your comfort zone ( ensuring you can effectively and humanely kill prey)

By the way there are only a few factory standard makes of hunting rimfires out there with iron sights that are truly adjustable for windage / elevation for accurate shooting, but that's just my opinion...

FISMA

egan04921 wrote: »

hi lads just want to get your thoughts on gun set-up. iv a .22 with a 4*12*50 scope, bi-pod and suppressor and im starting to think its taking the sport out of hunting (like how could you miss).
I was thinking about just using iron sights, but is this just going from one extreme to the other. it'll be grate to hear your thoughts, thanks.

I do not think using iron sights solely for the sake of increasing difficulty is fair to live game.

As for "how can you miss"? Let's just say you'll see.

If you want to put holes in paper with iron sights, fair enough. But possibly wounding a live animal for the sake of a more difficult shot is not something a hunter or sportsman would do.

I would not even want to see it done on vermin.

The whole point is a good, clean, confident shot that kills the animal before they hit the ground.

If you are that good, and I have seen it done, congratulations. But challenge yourself with inanimate targets, not live, for a challenge.

Also, you might find that being out in the field is far different and more difficult than using a bench or bipod at the range. Think of the uneven terrain, pouring rain, and other obstacles you will face. You may just find that you will need a bipod.

FWIW, I am not against iron sights being used in hunting. Rather, their being used on live targets, when the shooter isn't good with them, and a scope is available.

With a bit of practice you can become very proficient with iron sights and get a great feel for the rifle. However, shooting out to 300ya or more would be questionable with respect to shot placement.

Also, are you new to shooting or just hunting? Also, what do you plan on hunting with a 22 as opposed to shooting?

Cass

Having a scope does not guarantee instant kills everytime. Also it's a .22lr so anything after 100 yards is a push anyway.

No one shoots intending to miss, but it does happen regardless of whether it's a scoped rifle or not. There are factors that take the "perfect shot" out of our control once the trigger is pulled. I learned to shoot with iron sights because i didn't have a scope on my .22lr. So while people starting off with a scope have an advantage it should not preclude them from using iron sights.

As for target shooting first well it's not something everyone can do due to not being a member of a range. I'm not saying go out and shoot anything that moves without thought of consequences/results, but saying that people that want to improve their ability through using iron sights are not sportsmen or huntsmen is a bit much.

egan04921

when i first got the rifle i spent two weeks shooting targets first before stepping into a field to make sure 99% of the time it would be a kill shot, and i intend on doing the same when i switch to the iron sights. only when i know i am good enuf to use them will i go out and use them in the field.
i was just wondering where's the line between hunting for sport (such as staking in close), and just lying down 60 yards away with a scope and bi-pod. like wheres the sport in that.

yubabill1

Go for a neck shot. Very satisfying. My shot for years until my eyes went south. Failing that, headshot while running. My best was in 1986, headshot from standing at 90 yds, rabbit running about 1/2 speed, kind of dusky.

hedzball

You could always just stalk the rabbits..

Nothing more satisfying then shooting at 20 yards after creepin up on them.. bipod or not.