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Declaration of Alienage; how long?

  • 07-05-2013 12:59pm
    #1
    renault4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭


    Anyone know how long it takes to process a Declaration of Alienage?


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  • #2
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    I have no idea, you can call the citizenship helpline on 1890 252854

    Quite frankly I'm not sure that they do anything at all when they receive your application.


  • #3
    renault4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭renault4


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    I have no idea, you can call the citizenship helpline on 1890 252854

    Quite frankly I'm not sure that they do anything at all when they receive your application.


    thanks, I am trying number, not the easiest to get through to so far.

    that's a worrisome statement for what is a pretty serious step! I am curious as to what makes you believe this?


  • #4
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Well, what can they do?

    Ask for your passport back is all I can think of. Do they even bother? I'm not sure what else there is for INIS to do when someone declares alienage.


  • #5
    renault4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭renault4


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Well, what can they do?

    Ask for your passport back is all I can think of. Do they even bother? I'm not sure what else there is for INIS to do when someone declares alienage.


    off the top of my head I can imagine they:
    a. certainly request a passport if it is current so that it can be invalidated
    b. send the petitioner some sort of formal notification/record as to the outcome of his/her petition
    c. quite possibly send a "do you really really want to do this?" affirmation request before it is final
    d. log all of this transaction in assorted databases made available to immigration officials across the globe (you'd be surprised what info is available to an immigration officer when your passport is scanned at a port of entry! )
    e. place an announcement in the Births/Deaths/Marriages column in the Irish Times
    (OK, that last one is a joke!)


  • #6
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    renault4 wrote: »
    off the top of my head I can imagine they:
    a. certainly request a passport if it is current so that it can be invalidated
    b. send the petitioner some sort of formal notification/record as to the outcome of his/her petition
    c. quite possibly send a "do you really really want to do this?" affirmation request before it is final
    d. log all of this transaction in assorted databases made available to immigration officials across the globe (you'd be surprised what info is available to an immigration officer when your passport is scanned at a port of entry! )
    e. place an announcement in the Births/Deaths/Marriages column in the Irish Times
    (OK, that last one is a joke!)

    No you cease to be considered a citizen when you lodge the form with the DFA under Section 21 of the 1956 act.
    http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/consolidationINCA.pdf/Files/consolidationINCA.pdf

    I presume someone who is not a citizen wouldn't bother keeping their passport.

    I don't seriously believe there's anything else to do. I don't think anyone cares.


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  • #7
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    What he above says.

    The relevant section

    Renunciation of citizenship.
    21.—(1) If an Irish citizen of full age is or is about to become a citizen of another country and for that reason desires to renounce citizenship, he or she may do so, if ordinarily resident outside the State, by lodging with the Minister a declaration of alienage in the prescribed manner, and, upon lodgment of the declaration or, if not then a citizen of that country, upon becoming such, shall cease to be an Irish citizen.
    (2) An Irish citizen may not, except with the consent of the Minister, renounce Irish citizenship under this section during a time of war as defined in Article 28.3.30 of the Constitution.


  • #8
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • #9
    renault4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭renault4


    To follow up, talked with a fellow at the Irish Embassy in DC, he pretty much affirmed the sense of the thread here: once its in the system, you're done. There is a "certificate" mailed out in about a month or two; not exactly something one would want to frame and hang up, but there it is.

    cheers


  • #10
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    renault4 wrote: »
    To follow up, talked with a fellow at the Irish Embassy in DC, he pretty much affirmed the sense of the thread here: once its in the system, you're done. There is a "certificate" mailed out in about a month or two; not exactly something one would want to frame and hang up, but there it is.

    cheers

    If its not too personal a question why did you do it.


  • #11
    renault4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭renault4


    ResearchWill wrote: »
    If its not too personal a question why did you do it.

    I will answer that question out of respect for this discussion group. The driver was primarily, indeed wholly for professional reasons. I will ask that you allow me to not go into more detail than this. However I will affirm that the decision is in no way driven by any malice or ill will toward what is now my former country.


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  • #12
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    renault4 wrote: »
    I will answer that question out of respect for this discussion group. The driver was primarily, indeed wholly for professional reasons. I will ask that you allow me to not go into more detail than this. However I will affirm that the decision is in no way driven by any malice or ill will toward what is now my former country.

    Thank you for the answer, seems very logical. Best of luck with your new status.


  • #13
    renault4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭renault4


    renault4 wrote: »
    Anyone know how long it takes to process a Declaration of Alienage?

    I'll answer my own question; about a month or so allowing for mail transit. However as others have indicated on this board, the revocation becomes effective the date of the signed Declaration if one is already a citizen of another country, or becomes effective the date of one's acquisition of another citizenship once that occurs. Petitioners will receive a confirmation letter indicating this from the Irish Naturalization and Immigration Service around a month after submission of the Declaration of Alienage form.


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