looking for tarmacadam or ideas for Rural road Pothole repair.

Hugh 2

The last mile to where I live has several potholes which are dangerous and unavoidable.
Anybody know about getting tarmacadam from co-council I am thinking in the region of half a ton.
It is a council road which in average 1 to 2 holes are filled in a year by council.
I am not the only road user but I would just prefer to have them gone after all these ones I have to drive through every day..
Also wondering if you can opt to pay the council for tarmacadam and let them fill them in.?
Thanks in advance

Mulumpy

Hugh 2 wrote: »

The last mile to where I live has several potholes which are dangerous and unavoidable.
Anybody know about getting tarmacadam from co-council I am thinking in the region of half a ton.
It is a council road which in average 1 to 2 holes are filled in a year by council.
I am not the only road user but I would just prefer to have them gone after all these ones I have to drive through every day.
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Also wondering if you can opt to pay the council for tarmacadam and let them fill them in.?
Thanks in advance

Would you not just get onto your local councillor to put on a bit of pressure. Your paying enough in road tax without offering more. Is it a cul de sac? if it is its usually 50 50 to tar it

greysides

Misfeasance: the performance of a lawful action in an illegal or improper manner.

Nonfeasance: is the failure to act even though a duty to act existed.

As I understand it, the council can get away with nonfeasance but an individual can be held responsible for misfeasance.
In other words, if a vehicle gets damaged the council can get away with it if they have done nothing to fix the road but if you fix the road and a vehicle gets damaged you can be held to account if you are found to have done it wrongly.

I suggest you get the council to do it.

td5man

Local road was repaired with dry mix concrete. Everyone on the road got together and bought the concrete and filled the holes themselves

Kristopherus

Hugh 2 wrote: »

The last mile to where I live has several potholes which are dangerous and unavoidable.
Anybody know about getting tarmacadam from co-council I am thinking in the region of half a ton.
It is a council road which in average 1 to 2 holes are filled in a year by council.
I am not the only road user but I would just prefer to have them gone after all these ones I have to drive through every day..
Also wondering if you can opt to pay the council for tarmacadam and let them fill them in.?
Thanks in advance

Try www.fixmystreet.ie. Also get on to as many local representatives as you know and pester them to have it done. That would be after you get an official reply to your report to fixmystreet.

1chippy

I know of a couple of small roads where the residents got together and done all the prep work and levelling for the road and the council then resurfaced them. plague the council and if they think you are willing to do some of the work they usually help out, but as greysides said if you go filling without them knowing you are lliable.

Hugh 2

greysides wrote: »

Misfeasance: the performance of a lawful action in an illegal or improper manner.

Nonfeasance: is the failure to act even though a duty to act existed.

As I understand it, the council can get away with nonfeasance but an individual can be held responsible for misfeasance.
In other words, if a vehicle gets damaged the council can get away with it if they have done nothing to fix the road but if you fix the road and a vehicle gets damaged you can be held to account if you are found to have done it wrongly.

I suggest you get the council to do it.

Thanks for the informative reply.
The council truck might be seen up this lane once or twice a year.
They have filled potholes in the past (10% or so of them anyway).
Speaking to the lads on the job _ was told that the stuff comes every now and then by the lorryload and they have to stretch the load as long as they can especially as they do not know they when they might see any more .

regards Hugh

Hugh 2

Mulumpy wrote: »

Would you not just get onto your local councillor to put on a bit of pressure. Your paying enough in road tax without offering more. Is it a cul de sac? if it is its usually 50 50 to tar it

All very well lobbying councillor's and T D's and waiting while tyres and tracking gets damaged only 1/2 ton of tarmac should do the job.

Yes it is a cul-de sac with 3 family's and 4 land owners using the road.(A hard enough crew to get to agree on anything let alone contribute)(although they may well sign a letter to council regarding seriousness of some of the deeper potholes in particular )

But the issue that greysides rose is a concern - I think I will first approach the council and see what their reaction is.

Regards
Hugh

brian_t

For the record.

A 1/2 tonne of delay set tarmac would cost about €45 incl VAT collected.

Hugh 2

brian_t wrote: »

For the record.

A 1/2 tonne of delay set tarmac would cost about €45 incl VAT collected.

Thanks for that sounds as cheap as wheel re alinement's or even cheaper than damaged car

brian_t

Hugh 2 wrote: »

Thanks for that sounds as cheap as wheel re alinement's or even cheaper than damaged car

I filled in 2 potholes on a council road.

I understand that you could be held liable but I'm not sure how you can fill in a pothole "wrongly" and how can anyone prove it was me.

As you say damage to your car can be more expensive and you can't claim off the council for that.

belcampprisoner

call your local td that's why you voted him get him before his summer holidays

grazeaway

Hugh 2 wrote: »

All very well lobbying councillor's and T D's and waiting while tyres and tracking gets damaged only 1/2 ton of tarmac should do the job.

Yes it is a cul-de sac with 3 family's and 4 land owners using the road.(A hard enough crew to get to agree on anything let alone contribute)(although they may well sign a letter to council regarding seriousness of some of the deeper potholes in particular )

But the issue that greysides rose is a concern - I think I will first approach the council and see what their reaction is.

Regards
Hugh

in s similar boat at home road outside our place is not only i poor repair but also dangerous. Have been constantly ont to council and TD but o no avail. one TD has offered to actully come and see it (i'll belive it when i see it). if they appear i intend on taking his thier car and driving it along the road at 80km/h as per the road sign and seeing how they like it. our neighbour had a b'day party over the weekend and we got talking about it. 10 house's on the road and between us we reckon we have spent over 15k on repairs to the cars in the last year.

Repairing the potholes wont do much unless the drains to take the rain water either side of the road are repaired. this is the biggest issue. IF the road margins and drains were properly maintained then the amount of potholes would be dramaticly reduced. you could spend time and money repairing your road but it'll proably come back to bite you on the arse. Keep taking photos and videos and keep sending them onto you local CC and TD's and just bombard them with it and try to keep it in the media. Was talkignto a work colleauge and that is what they did, after being on a national paper the lorries were around within a few days. Thats what we are going to do.

The plain fact is that the local authories and elected officals dont give a crap about any of us you live in the country (i doubt they care much for townies either btw) unless there is a election coming up. All this talk about the finiancal restrications on them is basicly BS. Most of the roads in poor repair now were neglected during the celtic tiger years when "the country was awash with money".

brian_t

I thought it was interesting that getting potholes filled in was one of the reasons given for voting for UKIP in the local elections in England last week.

Hugh 2

I got the potholes filled in a few months ago now.
Half were done with lean mix (a kind of dry ready mix) and half done with tar macadam.
The smaller ones that were filled with the lean mix seemed ok till the wet weather came and now they are nearly as bad as ever,#One extra large wide hole was overfilled with with lean mix - resulting in a kind of speed ramp still seems to be doing ok.
Other than that extra large hole I am thinking that the leanmix is not a solution only a temporary cosmetic solution.

PN14

Filling potholes is never a permanent solution.

The most important thing is to remove the water which is either lodging or flowing on the road. If potholes are filled and water not removed then potholes will return.

Failure of the under base (stone) under the road can also be an issue however this usually happens when stone becomes saturated with water so again improvements to the drainage helps.

Delay set macadam (often known in lay terms as cold tar) is the best pothole filler. The spray and chip is actually a complete waste of time, leanmix concrete not much better to be honest as water will wash out both.

As poster above mentioned delay set macadam can be bought at any tar plant around 90e per tn collected. It will last and can be used from a stockpile over a good period of time if kept covered.

Conmaicne Mara

Get some road marker paint, draw a circle around each one, find out the name of the local council walking boss name and write "Joe Bloggs holes" with a big arrow directing passing traffic down your road.

They'll soon be fixed.

9935452

brian_t wrote: »

I filled in 2 potholes on a council road.

I understand that you could be held liable but I'm not sure how you can fill in a pothole "wrongly" and how can anyone prove it was me.

As you say damage to your car can be more expensive and you can't claim off the council for that.

You can claim off the coulcil for damage to your car like burst tyres and damages shocks /suspension. i was told by a co councillor lately that they have a form to fill out to claim, the number of the form i dont know.

I know of a couple of instances where lads have claimed for burst tyres and they had to take it to the small claims court to get paid but they got paid.
At worst they will fill the potholes straight away so you will have no proof .

Another thing you hear when people claim is if you own land you will get a letter saying that all the roadside hedges will have to be cut as they are overgrown, and if you are a farmer you will have a yard inspection.

When you pay your road tax you are paying for the maintenance of the roads. they have a obligation towards us to maintain the roads.
What is annoying is only a fraction of road tax ends up in maintenance of the roads.

Conmaicne Mara

9935452 wrote: »

When you pay your road tax you are paying for the maintenance of the roads. they have a obligation towards us to maintain the roads.
What is annoying is only a fraction of road tax ends up in maintenance of the roads.

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/welcome.do;jsessionid=0aa0114830d7be70561e8070411d809ca1ad699ef8e1.e38PaNaSbhuOay0LbxmRe0

No such thing as "road tax" I'm afraid.

grazeaway

9935452 wrote: »

You can claim off the coulcil for damage to your car like burst tyres and damages shocks /suspension. i was told by a co councillor lately that they have a form to fill out to claim, the number of the form i dont know.

I know of a couple of instances where lads have claimed for burst tyres and they had to take it to the small claims court to get paid but they got paid.
At worst they will fill the potholes straight away so you will have no proof .

Another thing you hear when people claim is if you own land you will get a letter saying that all the roadside hedges will have to be cut as they are overgrown, and if you are a farmer you will have a yard inspection.

When you pay your road tax you are paying for the maintenance of the roads. they have a obligation towards us to maintain the roads.
What is annoying is only a fraction of road tax ends up in maintenance of the roads.

It's a load of bull and just a PR stunt from the co co's. They have no intention of paying up and will come up with all the excuses to get out of it. Roads near here are a joke and the locals have just got fed up of hearing the councils poor mouth BS. I know of plenty of people that have tried to claim but don't know of anyone that actually got anything.

Maintenace of roads is not a priority for local councils. The motor tax just goes into a big pot to be shelled out for important things like TD's pensions. The 1st lot of money from the property tax was used to pay off part of Anglo debts so it highly unlikely that much of the money raised will go back to to the area it came from. The councils have already charged huge amounts for one off buildings and estates over the last 10 years but it has all been squandered already.

9935452

grazeaway wrote: »

It's a load of bull and just a PR stunt from the co co's. They have no intention of paying up and will come up with all the excuses to get out of it. Roads near here are a joke and the locals have just got fed up of hearing the councils poor mouth BS. I know of plenty of people that have tried to claim but don't know of anyone that actually got anything.

Maintenace of roads is not a priority for local councils. The motor tax just goes into a big pot to be shelled out for important things like TD's pensions. The 1st lot of money from the property tax was used to pay off part of Anglo debts so it highly unlikely that much of the money raised will go back to to the area it came from. The councils have already charged huge amounts for one off buildings and estates over the last 10 years but it has all been squandered already.

I agree with most of what you are saying above.
But one of the easiest ways of getting potholes filled is send in a claim and it will be filled within a few days cause they dont want any evidence to exist.
if you want to be paid be prepared to take it to the small claims court with evidence like pictures, burst tyres and repair bills.
The ability to claim off the council has always existed but poeple dont want to go to the trouble of having to go chasing them over a tyre wort 50 quid and possibly drawing them on you . personally i would do it out of principal but i have never damaged a car .