Korn back with guitarist Brian "Head" Welch

Links234

http://loudwire.com/korn-enter-studio-brian-head-welch-record-2013-album/

what do you think guys?

I actually like Korn's later output, but I know a lot weren't a fan.

Joe_Dull

I think it's great news! Take a Look in the Mirror is my favourite Korn album, and that was their last with Head. Hopefully they can recapture some of that magic. That being said, there hasn't been a Korn album I've disliked since Life Is Peachy (so sure me).

Sephiroth_dude

Great news,I was sad when he left and didn't like any album after take a look in the mirror.

Nailz

Great news from a personal standpoint. Will be seeing them at Donington this year so having another one of the original lineup back on the cards is great, whatever way you look at it.

Ruudi_Mentari

Links234 wrote: »

I actually like Korn's later output, but I know a lot weren't a fan.

I liked what they did on SH Downpour. was pissed I missed last years show tbh

Links234

I loved take a look in the mirror, that had a lot going for it tbh and probably the best they did without Welch

Sephiroth_dude

Links234 wrote: »

I loved take a look in the mirror, that had a lot going for it tbh and probably the best they did without Welch

He was involved in that album wasnt he?left in 05.

Links234

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

He was involved in that album wasnt he?left in 05.

Derp >_<

I meant See you on the other side

villains77

cant wait to see them live again. saw them at ozzfest in the O2 in london a few years ago and the ambassador a few years ago. they are savage live. hope they plan to play in dublin on their forthcoming tour

120_Minutes

I saw them in 2000 with mike "puffy" bordin from faith no more drumming, beat that!


....but to be honest i havent really been a fan since then.

christophicus

Absolutely fantastic to see Head back with the band. He really contributed massively to Korn's meandering melodies and rhythmic rage.

sugarman wrote: »

Now just to work on getting David Silveria back and we're laughing.

Given the way David acted towards the fans...I have no desire to see him return.

Joe_Dull

christophicus wrote: »

Given the way David acted towards the fans...I have no desire to see him return.

How did he act? Genuinely curious, I've never heard anything negative.

Forces of Steel

Korn sucks. Always has, always will. Nu metal isn't even metal.

seachto7

Forces of Steel wrote: »

Korn sucks. Always has, always will. Nu metal isn't even metal.

What a bizarre post....

Forces of Steel

seachto7 wrote: »

What a bizarre post....

I just don't like them. Same goes for Slipknot, Limp Bizkit, Disturbed, and many other garbage bands this genre has produced. But we really have Pantera and Selputura (post-Arise) to thank for helping create these awful mall bands.

seachto7

I would at least think Slipknot evolved. Limp Bizkit, I never cared for or Disturbed for that matter. Deftones evolved too.
What would you prefer, that heavy metal stayed in 1985? The result would be every band being like Airbourne or the Darkness.
Never cared much for Korn either, and in general the whole "nu metal" scene was a fad, a fashionable trendy fad in the late 90s/early 00s. But it's the same as any other fad.

Hair metal was a fad, and is as bad as any nu metal band. How many of those hair metal bands are still going? Exactly. None, as they were sh*t the first time around. I put on Master of Puppets the other day. A classic album, but I have heard it so many times, I'm getting bored of it to be honest. Music needs to develop, and progress. Some stuff will work (like Mastodon). Other stuff won't. (like Disturbed)

Beekay

Looking to forward to seeing what affect this will have on the bands output. Was a big fan of Korn when head left about 10 years ago.

In recent years it would seem that it was just Jonathan Davis' band. Fieldy has looked disinterested on and off stage in recent years and the guitar has taken a backseat as they began to add more electronics.

From what I've read they seem very excited about Head rejoining and what they are writing at the moment.

Links234

Yawn, heard all the "Nu-Metal isn't TRUE metal" rubbish over 10 years ago, it was silly then, it's silly now.

and whether you like it or not, nu metal introduced a whole new generation of fans to metal

seachto7

Some of the "nu metal" bands sound REALLY dated. Some don't. Like any other musical genre.

Forces of Steel

seachto7 wrote: »

I would at least think Slipknot evolved. Limp Bizkit, I never cared for or Disturbed for that matter. Deftones evolved too.
What would you prefer, that heavy metal stayed in 1985? The result would be every band being like Airbourne or the Darkness.
Never cared much for Korn either, and in general the whole "nu metal" scene was a fad, a fashionable trendy fad in the late 90s/early 00s. But it's the same as any other fad.

Hair metal was a fad, and is as bad as any nu metal band. How many of those hair metal bands are still going? Exactly. None, as they were sh*t the first time around. I put on Master of Puppets the other day. A classic album, but I have heard it so many times, I'm getting bored of it to be honest. Music needs to develop, and progress. Some stuff will work (like Mastodon). Other stuff won't. (like Disturbed)

Honestly, I am convinced you know nothing of the '80s metal scene, but only the bad. Let me explain.

If you're talking about the saturated pop garbage on MTV, I would agree with you completely. On the other hand, you are clearly wrong on the underground-status bands being in the same boat (most of them). Do you really think bands such as Attacker, Cirith Ungol, Savage Grace, Cloven Hoof, Slauter Xstroyes, or Running Wild can be so easily lumped in with the likes of Poison or Bon Jovi? If you've never heard any of the aforementioned six bands, then I think I've made my point here. Listen to them, then tell me if you really think they are "hair metal".

The '80s was bursting with many fresh bands playing HUGE roles in innovating new styles (e.g. power, death, thrash, speed, doom, progressive).

Also, Master of Puppets is so mediocre. Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning are Metallica's only good albums. Actually, just listen to the first album. That will convince you right there their influences derived from the NWOBHM movement. Iron Maiden, Diamond Head, Saxon, Angel Witch, and Blitzkrieg. You can't possibly tell me that these bands really fit the "hair metal" criteria (except for Diamond Head and Saxon by 1982 -- they abandoned their harder-edged sound to experiment with making commercialized pop rock a la Def Leppard, although both quickly returned to playing heavy metal).

In case you haven't noticed, many '70s and '80s metal bands have risen from the ashes. Lots of younger bands (mostly outside the United States) today are playing an older style of metal. Ever heard of Skull Fist, Striker (CA), Enforcer (SE), Helvetets Port, or Portrait (SE)? If you want proof that traditional metal is still being played by younger bands today, those are the bands for you to check out first. By the way, Airbourne was a pretty bad example. They are a hard rock band, not a heavy metal band.

So, "hair metal" is still alive and kicking. Nu metal kicked the bucket some nine years ago. I don't think that drivel is ever returning. I'll bet my entire record collection on that.

seachto7

I used hair metal as an example. It's the same as nu metal. A fad. Some bands who came out of both had to evolve (Deftones for example). But I don't want to hear RTL or KEA over and over. It was done in the 80s, it doesn't need to be done again.

You'd swear I didn't grow up in the 80s

Joe_Dull

Forces of Steel wrote: »

Korn sucks. Always has, always will. Nu metal isn't even metal.

Away with you!

seachto7

Why isn't "nu metal" metal? There's thrash metal, hair metal, etc. Nu metal is just another strand of metal?

Links234

seachto7 wrote: »

Why isn't "nu metal" metal? There's thrash metal, hair metal, etc. Nu metal is just another strand of metal?

'cos it's not trve kvlt \m/ :mad: \m/

Forces of Steel

seachto7 wrote: »

I used hair metal as an example. It's the same as nu metal. A fad. Some bands who came out of both had to evolve (Deftones for example). But I don't want to hear RTL or KEA over and over. It was done in the 80s, it doesn't need to be done again.

You'd swear I didn't grow up in the 80s

I don't disagree that it was a fad. What I'm calling you out on is your ignorance of the underground scene that was thriving at the time. It doesn't matter if you were born in 1983 or 1993; age is just a number. Many people are happy with the select few bands they know, while others keep digging further over the years.

To say that it was done in the '80s and it doesn't need to be done again is just rubbish. A lot of modern "metal" bands are running out of ideas. Better to stick to an older formula that works, or go underground for much of the quality stuff that ever gets released. You don't have to innovate to be good.

Forces of Steel

seachto7 wrote: »

Why isn't "nu metal" metal? There's thrash metal, hair metal, etc. Nu metal is just another strand of metal?

Too many alternative and rap elements to classify it as a predominant metal genre. Heavy, thrash, speed, death, doom, black, power, and progressive metal are all predominant genres.

Anyway, I think I'm done with this thread. I'd rather not waste another second of my knowledge trying to educate those who are totally clueless and subscribe to the sheep mentality of what the labels try to control.

seachto7

Oh yes oh great one.....

Beekay

Sooooooooo.... Back on topic....

Anyone gonna get to see Head play with the band this summer?

seachto7

Forces of Steel wrote: »

To say that it was done in the '80s and it doesn't need to be done again is just rubbish. A lot of modern "metal" bands are running out of ideas. Better to stick to an older formula that works, or go underground for much of the quality stuff that ever gets released. You don't have to innovate to be good.

I disagree. I think bands have to innovate to last the pace. I don't want to hear a band now record an album that sounds like Kill Em All. I'd rather just listen to Kill Em All.
I do agree that you have to go underground or away from lots of commercial stuff to find the really good stuff. Same as all music...

taytothief

Forces of Steel wrote: »

Anyway, I think I'm done with this thread. I'd rather not waste another second of my knowledge trying to educate those who are totally clueless and subscribe to the sheep mentality of what the labels try to control.

:pac:

taytothief

Korn's recent stuff has been God-awful imo. Haven't enjoyed anything from them since Untouchables. I seen them back in Punchestown I think it was when they played, and I'd still love to see them again. Head is a bit of a fool though, I read his book, it's complete horse****. Will be interested to see what they come up with now that's he's back for another while.

christophicus

Joe_Dull wrote: »

How did he act? Genuinely curious, I've never heard anything negative.

My memory has completely gone...I can't remember, but I know it left a bitter taste in my mouth.

Forces of Steel

seachto7 wrote: »

I disagree. I think bands have to innovate to last the pace. I don't want to hear a band now record an album that sounds like Kill Em All. I'd rather just listen to Kill Em All.
I do agree that you have to go underground or away from lots of commercial stuff to find the really good stuff. Same as all music...

Some new ideas in music can be a good thing, but a lot of times they end up becoming unnecessary -- simply fixing what isn't broken. Sticking to winning formulas doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing. Some adjustments will be made here and there, but the feeling is still there. Traditional-style metal can still survive, especially when combined with other genres.

seachto7

Forces of Steel wrote: »

Traditional-style metal can still survive, especially when combined with other genres.

Agreed

120_Minutes

Forces of Steel wrote: »

we really have Pantera and Selputura (post-Arise) to thank for helping create these awful mall bands.

Mr. Bungle and Faith No More are more to blame tbh. but i had a similar discussion elswhere, a lot of these "awful mall bands" are actually good bands with unlikable frontmen.

Limp Bizkit are excellent musicians, you just dont get to hear it with fred being fred.

Clandestine

Forces of Steel wrote: »

Also, Master of Puppets is so mediocre. Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning are Metallica's only good albums.

Agreed. Master of Puppets is hella overrated (along with Metallica themselves)

Joe_Dull

Beekay wrote: »

Sooooooooo.... Back on topic....

Anyone gonna get to see Head play with the band this summer?

Aye, they'll be playing at Graspop (Belgium) in June. Didn't think I'd ever get to see them with Head on board (my first Korn gig was in '08), so it was a pleasant surprise to see him back.

Beekay

Will be interesting to see the setlist and how many newer songs they'll play with him.
Don't think they are gonna come over here this year.
Got to see the original line up three times in '02(I think) in rds, 04 at download fest and in the point.

Sonics2k

As a major fan of Korn growing up in the 90's, part of me is insanely ecstatic about this news.

Korn was my absolute favourite band for a large portion of my life, ever since the first moment I head Blind back in the early 90's, it completely altered my view of music and metal. To this day I still listen to Korn on a near daily basis. Hell, I've seen them in concert 13 times and even had the insane pleasure of having a few drinks with Munky in Dublin back in like 2004 (?)

Now, some 20 years on the giddyness is slightly taken away by the fear that it's maybe time for them to let go. Head certainly was shown to be a massive influence on the band after he left, it was obvious by how much the style of music changed after he left. It'll be great to see the impact he'll have on the music.

Sadly though, as much of a dick David turned out to be at times, it still won't be the same without the real lineup and that same passion they once held as a band.

christophicus

Footage from last night's Korn gig with Head.
The quality isn't the best, but my god is it good to have Head back in the band. That's the first "proper" rendition of Ball Tongue since he left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGhTSdAv4jg

Sonics2k

christophicus wrote: »

Footage from last night's Korn gig with Head.
The quality isn't the best, but my god is it good to have Head back in the band. That's the first "proper" rendition of Ball Tongue since he left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGhTSdAv4jg

Jesus, the opening "Blind" performed live still gives me shivers down my whole body.

I'll have to drag the gf to see them next time they're here, shame she hates metal.

Beekay

Interview with Munky and Head backstage. They seem really excited about the new album and that Head is back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prl4W4vEadA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

christophicus

Thanks for the link man, it was great to see the interaction and energy between Munky and Head.

Sephiroth_dude

Watching this at the moment .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUVrDZDHhiM

Boardieman

David set up a profile on Korns biggest fan site for his new (since broken up) band Infinika. On the website he attacked Korn members personal lives and stated that he had slept with Jonathan's wife. Korn released no official statement regarding this but David did try at the beginning of this year to push himself back into the band purely for the money he would obtain from the 20th year anniversary and Korn said indirectly he wasnt welcome back. David not only has an attitude problem but he still struggles with addiction problems and the rest of the band don't even drink anymore. Ray Luzier has been a permanent member of Korn since 2008. A lot of people oversee that despite the fact that David Silveria is an asshole.

Beekay

From what I read in the download fest. Thread they played a great gig. Setlist seems pretty good aswell shame they didn't book a date in Ireland.

Boardieman

They are on a festival tour and unfortunately Irish booking agents follow musical trends and it wouldn't be cool to have a metal festival in Ireland because they need to make room for 10 more versions of electric picnic. Korn were in Ireland a year or two ago and they usually follow a touring pattern. It usually goes American festival tour, European festival tour, America venue tour, South America and rest of World tour, then European studio tour. They have a new album out in September so we might see then here again in mid to late 2014. Their new album has been heard by some VIP fans who got passes onto Jonathan's bus to hear tracks and they are all saying it sounds like a mash-up between Issues an Untouchables with a modern twist. Korn always push the envelope each time round but this will be their most guitar driven album since issues according to the members.

Joe_Dull

I saw them on Friday night at Graspop. Have to say, I was very impressed; it blew their recent Olympia gig out of the water. We got plenty of old favourites like Twist and Dead Bodies Everywhere and overall the set was a pretty well balanced mix of stuff from their whole discography (although Korn III and Untitled didn't get a look in). Jon was in absolutely flying form and it looked like Head was genuinely enjoying himself. Munky let him take the lead for the most part, and the whole band seemed to gel really naturally. Very excited for the new record now

Beekay

New album The Paradigm Shift out on October
1st

http://www.kornrow.com/korn11th/

Beekay

New song out. Never Never is the the name. Only had one listen so not really able to judge yet.

kornkoverage.tumblr.com/post/57646076943/umerloveskorn-never-never-by-korn-better

Shane-KornSpace

Not a fan of the new song. I'm really hoping to hear more Untouchables style music on further releases