Are all breads to be avoided?

boccy23

Tyring to lose few Kilos and have implimented the excellent advice of may here, proteins, snacks, suops, water etc.

I avoid white bread and commerical brown bread like the plague!

But are Wraps, Nan breads or other "eastern" type breads the same?

Also, is my wifes homemade Brown Bread and Soda bread also to be avoided.

thegreatiam

boccy23 wrote: »

Tyring to lose few Kilos and have implimented the excellent advice of may here, proteins, snacks, suops, water etc.

I avoid white bread and commerical brown bread like the plague!

But are Wraps, Nan breads or other "eastern" type breads the same?

bread is bread. bagels, nans wraps are the same ingredients made in a different shape.
Don't fall into the trap of 'oh its a wrap its not really bread" it is.
There is no need to avoid bread. Eating or not eating bread will not make a difference to your weight on its own, its your diet as a whole that will matter, if you want bread then go for it. Just remember to calculate into your daily totals.

If all you ate was bread you could still lose weight, as long as you ate below what your body burns a day.

Your health in general is a different matter, bread (wheat) can sometimes cause reactions from your body, removing wheat and other grains could improve your general health.

I come under a bread loving category, but I can see that removing it from my diet is making me feel better. Now I rarely buy bread unless I have reason to. But I don't avoid it. If I want a burger in a bun ill have a burger in a bun.
But I know to add the bread into my calorie intake for the day. I also try not to fill up on bread as it is simply empty calories providing little in the way of nutrition.

boccy23 wrote: »

Also, is my wifes homemade Brown Bread and Soda bread also to be avoided.

I don't know, can she bake?

- enjoy your wife's fresh baked breads, of all kinds. Just do it in extreme moderation.

Mr. CooL ICE

Agree with everything thegreatiam said.

Last year, I was training for a marathon but despite having a clean diet, I wasn't losing any weight. I wasn't heavy, but had a bit of a belly. I always had porridge in the morning and 3-4 slices of toast at 11, along with the odd pizza with my housemates at the weekend. All I did was switch the toast with two hard boiled eggs and stayed away from meals involving pasta and dropped half a stone in around 7-8 weeks.

I love bread and feel better when I don't eat it, but in terms of digestion, I don't think I have any major intolerance to it. Maybe it's because removing bread/pasta from my diet has forced me to experiment more with salad/veg/veg soup, I feel better. Who knows.

thegreatiam

LordChessington wrote: »

I always had porridge in the morning and 3-4 slices of toast at 11,

each slice would be around (Edit:)70-180 cals. plus butter? 220+ cals each slice. (Edit:) up to 660-880 calories a day!

That's more than a whole meal, and you'll be hungry shortly after.

Bread is often an addition to a meal. When I was a kid you would always have 2 or 3 slices with each dinner. so that's more than 300-400 extra cals with almost 0 nutrition.

But because its often not considered part of a diet most people ignore the calories. " sure its just bread"

Because of this even if you change nothing else but remove bread from your diet you will begin to lose weight, coupled with removing soft drinks and you are probably more than half way there.

boccy23

thegreatiam wrote: »

each slice would be around 180 cals. plus butter? 220+ cals each slice. 660-880 calories a day!

That's more than a whole meal, and you'll be hungry shortly after.

Bread is often an addition to a meal. When I was a kid you would always have 2 or 3 slices with each dinner. so that's more than 300-400 extra cals with almost 0 nutrition.

But because its often not considered part of a diet most people ignore the calories. " sure its just bread"

Because of this even if you change nothing else but remove bread from your diet you will begin to lose weight, coupled with removing soft drinks and you are probably more than half way there.

Thanks for the advice. When you point out the calorie intake as above, you realise what additional food intake for no nett benefit bread is.

Cheers.

rocky

thegreatiam wrote: »

each slice would be around 180 cals. plus butter? 220+ cals each slice. 660-880 calories a day!

That's a lot of calories for bread, I'd have thought it's around 70-80 calories a slice.

I only eat GF bread, get it in Aldi for 2 euro, does the job...

lachin

Long time no hear Rocky!!

mossym

thegreatiam wrote: »

each slice would be around 180 cals. plus butter? 220+ cals each slice. 660-880 calories a day!

are you cutting your own slices an inch thick or something?

SunnyDub1

I generally feel crap after eating bread - bloated, tired and non satisfied, I actually feel hungrier after eating it. Therefore I just avoid it.

I do however eat Rye bread, no expert on it and it prob has it's downfalls but it's high in fiber,gluten free and a small portion of it fills me right it

rocky

Are you sure the rye bread is gluten free? Rye contains gluten, unless it's specially processed to extract it.

Are you eating bread with something? Try adding more of the something so you're not hungry after. If you're eating bread on its own... why?

thegreatiam

mossym wrote: »

are you cutting your own slices an inch thick or something?

nope:
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories/calorie_counter/bread_bakery.htm

Ive seen some sources say 120, some sources say 150. That link claims 220. So i think 180 is a reasonable estimate. (hence the + to indicate that its an approximate number)

SunnyDub1

rocky wrote: »

Are you sure the rye bread is gluten free? Rye contains gluten, unless it's specially processed to extract it.

Are you eating bread with something? Try adding more of the something so you're not hungry after. If you're eating bread on its own... why?

Your right it's not gluten free - my bad doesn't contain wheat though.

This is the one I get
http://www.biona.co.uk/product-624-4.html

This one is also good and it is gluten free.
http://www.biona.co.uk/product-266-4.html

Yeah I use to make a tuna/chicken with salad sandwhich. I use to use "brown bread" cause sure that was "healthy" :rolleyes:

I eat clean which means I eat very little/avoid processed carbs.
Bread is processed with 0 nutrition & as I mentioned I feel crap after eating it so therefore avoid it.

Also as mentioned above by thegreatiam - "bread (wheat) can sometimes cause reactions from your body, removing wheat and other grains could improve your general health" 100% agree with this.

thegreatiam

SunnyDub1 wrote: »

Also as mentioned above by thegreatiam - "bread (wheat) can sometimes cause reactions from your body, removing wheat and other grains could improve your general health" 100% agree with this.

lol,
Im not sure I 100% believe this ;-)
I think it may have some validity.
Ive massively cut down on bread this year, and I do feel a little better, but
I also stopped working nights, drinking gallons of booze, started to exercise, stopped smoking, eating a little more healthy, stopped drinking coke so much, removed a lot of sugary snacks from my diet.
so any one of those could contribute to a better well being.

But bread is one of those things that I will certainly try to limit from now on in my diet. even if its just because it doesn't really provide much in the way of nutrition.

Trent Houseboat

thegreatiam wrote: »

nope:
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories/calorie_counter/bread_bakery.htm

Ive seen some sources say 120, some sources say 150. That link claims 220. So i think 180 is a reasonable estimate. (hence the + to indicate that its an approximate number)

The site you linked to is based on the nutritional value of 100g of breads. Most slices are less than 100g.

Brennans Thick White Sliced shows up as 95cal per slice on myfitnesspal.

mossym

thegreatiam wrote: »

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Ive seen some sources say 120, some sources say 150. That link claims 220. So i think 180 is a reasonable estimate. (hence the + to indicate that its an approximate number)

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

The site you linked to is based on the nutritional value of 100g of breads. Most slices are less than 100g.

Brennans Thick White Sliced shows up as 95cal per slice on myfitnesspal.

exactly, most of the pans are around the 100 calorie per slice. roughly half what was previously quoted, the brown wholemeal i had last night was less than 90.

a quick search says a standard loaf is roughly 800grams, so to eat 300 grams and get to the 600 calories that was mentioned you'd need to eat nearly half a sliced pan.

RobAMerc

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Brennans Thick White Sliced shows up as 95cal per slice on myfitnesspal.

Aren't the majority of the nutritional values on myfitnesspal added by Joe Soaps like you and me ? I'd be VERY weary of taking the values on that site as gospel tbh

mossym

RobAMerc wrote: »

Aren't the majority of the nutritional values on myfitnesspal added by Joe Soaps like you and me ? I'd be VERY weary of taking the values on that site as gospel tbh

from the brennans bread webpage
Brennans
Family Pan 800g

Nutritional Information

Nutritional Information (per 100g)
Energy kJ 920
Energy kcal 219
Protein 8.7g
Carbohydrates 43g
Sugar 2.42g
Fat 1.4g
Saturated Fat 0.4g
Fibre 2.8g
Sodium 0.45g
Salt 1.1g

Nutritional Information (per slice)
Energy kJ 365
Energy kcal 87
Protein 3.48g
Carbohydrates 17.2g
Sugar 0.98g
Fat 0.56g
Saturated Fat 0.16g
Fibre 1.12g
Sodium 0.18g
Salt 0.44g

not saying bread is goo by any means, don't eat a lot of it myself, but lets at least get the numbers right.

it's always important to get the serving size right if you;re going to quote calories

thegreatiam

mossym wrote: »

exactly, most of the pans are around the 100 calorie per slice. roughly half what was previously quoted, the brown wholemeal i had last night was less than 90.

a quick search says a standard loaf is roughly 800grams, so to eat 300 grams and get to the 600 calories that was mentioned you'd need to eat nearly half a sliced pan.

going by this list http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-bread-ic1802
I can see that some are around 70, some are 170 or more.
I plucked 180 from the air as an average of the range of calories I have seen in the past. Unless you know exactly what bread it is being eaten you're dealing with a wide range of calories, more so for homemade breads.
I edited to reflect this.

mossym

thegreatiam wrote: »

you're dealing with a wide range of calories, more so for homemade breads.
.

that's why i asked about cutting your own slices.
the example given was for toast though. i've not seen any commercial sliced pan that comes anywhere close to 180 calories a slice, meaning the 600 figure for 3 slices of toast seems incredibly high

also, on that list, you need to watch serving sizes. for instance this one
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-country-harvest-100-percent-whole-i101374

gives 213 calories per serving, which seems very high, until you read a bit more and see that a serving is 2 slices, brining it back to just over 100 per slice

thegreatiam

mossym wrote: »

also, on that list, you need to watch serving sizes. for instance this one
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-country-harvest-100-percent-whole-i101374

how is 2 slices of that bread 90g and 1 slice 38g?

mossym

thegreatiam wrote: »

how is 2 slices of that bread 90g and 1 slice 38g?

have no idea. maybe they measured the 2 slices with a slice of ham and between them?

i'm sure if you tried hard enough there is a type of bread somewhere which gives 220 calories for a slice of toast with butter. i think you'd be far pushed to do it though.

the average person having 3 slices of toast in the morning (ignoring butter, i'd say it's easier to underestimate the calories there than with bread) is consuming roughly 300-360 calories, assuming they are buying the standard loaf from their local ship. nowhere close to the 600-800 that was thrown out.

pwurple

mossym wrote: »

have no idea. maybe they measured the 2 slices with a slice of ham and between them?

i'm sure if you tried hard enough there is a type of bread somewhere which gives 220 calories for a slice of toast with butter. i think you'd be far pushed to do it though.

the average person having 3 slices of toast in the morning (ignoring butter, i'd say it's easier to underestimate the calories there than with bread) is consuming roughly 300-360 calories, assuming they are buying the standard loaf from their local ship. nowhere close to the 600-800 that was thrown out.

You just reminded me of this awesome bread ship!

mossym

pwurple wrote: »

You just reminded me of this awesome bread ship!

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that's pretty damn impressive