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7 killed in cargo plane crash

  • 01-05-2013 12:21AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭


    Footage is...unbelievable.



    Didn't really feel this was appropriate for 'Cool vids and pics' to be honest.

    BBC Link

    I'd imagine it to be an awful last few seconds, just waiting for the impact. R.I.P.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    exactly what i needed to see just before a trip to new york:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭Kylo Ren


    exactly what i needed to see just before a trip to new york:(

    Statistically, if you're going to die in NY it will be by gun or knife. So, cheer up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭burstbuckle


    Keno 92 wrote: »
    Statistically, if you're going to die in NY it will be by gun or knife. So, cheer up.

    A gun & knife wielding Hi Jacker


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    A civilian cargo aircraft crashed at Bagram Air Field, north of the Afghan capital, soon after takeoff on Monday, killing all seven people aboard, the U.S.-led military coalition said.

    The Taliban quickly claimed responsibility for the crash, but the coalition said in a statement to The Associated Press: "Taliban's claims are false."

    It said the cause of the crash was being investigated by emergency crews that rushed to the site, but there was no sign of insurgent activity in the area at the time.

    Capt. Luca Carniel, a coalition spokesman, said the aircraft crashed from a low altitude right after takeoff.

    The coalition did not identify the victims, the type of aircraft involved, or the company that owned it.

    In another development, President Hamid Karzai accused U.S. forces of killing four civilians and wounding one in the eastern province of Nangarhar on Sunday after an American' convoy was attacked by insurgents.

    In a statement issued by his office, Karzai "strongly condemned the killing of innocent civilians."

    The U.S.-led military coalition said it was still investigating the weekend clash, which left four soldiers with minor injuries and damaged a patrol vehicle. In a statement issued on Monday, the coalition said the Taliban attacked the coalition patrol with small arms fire and roadside bombs as it moved through a local bazaar in the province where there were civilians.

    "Coalition forces engaged the enemy, pushed through the hostile area, and traveled to a nearby Afghan National Army checkpoint," the coalition said in a statement. "An investigation is currently underway to assess whether there are any civilian casualties as a result of insurgent fire."
    The story behind it.

    It looks as if the plane stalled on takeoff (either the airspeed was too low or the angle of attack was too high). Either way, I can't see any pilot making such a fundamental and fatal error. I'd say there's some foul play in this.

    All the same, RIP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,926 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Holy ****! The way it just falls out of the sky, that's terrifying. Wouldn't want to be flying to the U.S. any time soon.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Bird strike perhaps??

    Isnt that what heppened to the plane that ditched into the river in America few years ago.

    The pilot somehow managed to ditch/land in the river and everyone was rescued.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Holy ****! The way it just falls out of the sky, that's terrifying. Wouldn't want to be flying to the U.S. any time soon.

    Happened in Afghanistan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Bird strike perhaps??

    Isnt that what heppened to the plane that ditched into the river over therea few years ago.

    The pilot somehow managed to ditch/land in the river and everyone was rescued.

    Birdstrike in both engines is unlikely. A plane can fly on one quite easily assuming the pilot is on the ball.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    The story behind it.

    It looks as if the plane stalled on takeoff (either the airspeed was too low or the angle of attack was too high). Either way, I can't see any pilot making such a fundamental and fatal error. I'd say there's some foul play in this.

    Angle of attack seems incredibly high alright. From the road,at that distance, you shouldn't be able to see the whole fuselage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    kraggy wrote: »
    Birdstrike in both engines is unlikely. A plane can fly on one quite easily assuming the pilot is on the ball.
    That's a 747 so there's four engines. Seriously doubt engine failure would've caused something like this. Even if all four engines failed, the plane should still be able to glide down and not just fall out of the sky in an aerodynamic stall.

    That said, the plane was probably quite heavy with full fuel tanks and cargo so it may have been just that the pilot(s) made a mistake.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,926 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    kraggy wrote: »
    Happened in Afghanistan.

    /Whisper - I was referring to admiralofthefleet's post as he said he's flying to New York


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    Keno 92 wrote: »
    Statistically, if you're going to die in NY it will be by gun or knife. So, cheer up.

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭JD DABA


    Welllllllllll.........deaths never really going to be a pleasant experience, on the plus side they got it over with quick.
    On the negative Im sure it was very inconveniently timed.

    With the adrenaline, disbelief, confusion, brevity, and forces involved they probably never felt a thing.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,393 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    It was a cargo plane, and the speculation in the Aircraft & Aviation forum is that the load shifted on takeoff, which in turn caused a spin. Seems plausible, those guys know their stuff when it comes to planes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    This uncropped version catches a bit more higher in the sky. A very unusual vision of flight failure and sad of course for the seven dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,039 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Damage or failure at the tail of the plane maybe? definitely stalls for some reason. Video is like something from a movie, poor folks on board


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    That's a 747 so there's four engines. Seriously doubt engine failure would've caused something like this. Even if all four engines failed, the plane should still be able to glide down and not just fall out of the sky in an aerodynamic stall.

    That said, the plane was probably quite heavy with full fuel tanks and cargo so it may have been just that the pilot(s) made a mistake.

    Very hard to start a glide in the ascent just after take off. From the cruise definitely but fully loaded with fuel and only a couple of hundred feet up in the ascent, no chance.

    I'm going for a stall due to angle of attack, or hydraulics failure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Wonder what the causes were?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    Zaph wrote: »
    It was a cargo plane, and the speculation in the Aircraft & Aviation forum is that the load shifted on takeoff, which in turn caused a spin. Seems plausible, those guys know their stuff when it comes to planes.

    The sudden yaw to the Starboard side suggests that might be possible but a hydraulics lock might be the cause too. We will find out in due course.

    RIP to the poor souls on board.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Wow, in the short few seconds it was going to crash, imagine what the crew were thinking. Unthinkable. Talk about sh!t luck or bad planning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I'd say your man driving the bus fair dirtied the pants, he didn't see it at all til it came down beside him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Suasdaguna1


    The cargo went aft folks---


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    The cargo went aft folks---

    Source?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Aphex


    That is the most striking footage I have ever seen of a plane crash!
    R.I.P to the poor souls on board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭vinylbomb


    The chatter on Aviation-safety.net says Stall, which to be fair looks about right, angle of attack is really high and you can practically see the plane stop in mid air.

    Some smart cookies over on that site.

    RIP all involved. Horrific way to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Delta Kilo


    The plane stalled alright, and it appears the load inside it shifted aft. Apart from a serious malfunction of the tail, which to me doesnt seem at all plausible, the way the plane stalled and crashed suggests that a serious shift in the planes centre of gravity caused it to happen.

    I heard that the aircraft had a payload of tanks, each weighing 13,000kg. This load would have been positioned at the centre of gravity position which is near the centre of the fuselage. When one slides aft to the back of the aircraft, thats a mass of 13,000 kg quite a distance from the centre of gravity. This is a massive moment and no pilot would be able to overcome such an imbalance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    The plane rotates to its left before turning to the right, could of been cargo getting loose from the steep angle then the engines stalled


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    Holy crap, that was heart stopping.. Couldn't even begin to imagine what it was like for the people on board.


    If it was cargo moving, does that still mean it was human error? It wasn't put in correctly or something?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    kraggy wrote: »
    Very hard to start a glide in the ascent just after take off. From the cruise definitely but fully loaded with fuel and only a couple of hundred feet up in the ascent, no chance.

    I'm going for a stall due to angle of attack, or hydraulics failure.
    It was hard to tell when exactly the stall started from the first video but with that second video... at that altitude they had no chance whatsoever.

    I'm just speculating but it looks as if the centre of gravity shifted to the rear and caused a huge and uncontrollable increase in the angle of attack. The angle of attack looks unusually high and the way the plane slows to an almost complete stop in mid air before spinning down to the ground would lead me that for some reason or another they couldn't control their angle of attack. Whether that's down to failure in the aircraft or unrestrained cargo moving to the rear on takeoff is impossible to say.


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