how long after you report welfare fraud?

s14o63tlibd8vz

How long after ypu report welfare fraud is it investigated?

Slyderx1

ring social welfare and find out

Kristopherus

Is it yourself you've reported?:rolleyes:

s14o63tlibd8vz

Why do you ask that?

s14o63tlibd8vz

fyi. I'm a single mother trying to put myself through college and have been reported for welfare fraud.. I have been told. I am in NO way commiting any fraud. My son's father came to visit 3 days in a week he was on holidays. He did not stay overnight nor or there anything between us. I'm asking because I know i was reported last week and I have exams coming up and I'm stressed thinking about everything and just wanting it over and done with. Less of the sarcastic smilies .. how the hell do you know what im going through.. you didn't even answer the question.

ANXIOUS

Alexa Chubby Fish wrote: »

Why do you ask that?

Because the last thread you started was about you being reported for having your boyfriend in the house and the one previous to that was trying to get out of college fees.

GarIT

How are you in college and getting something from social welfare? That's fraud isn't it? There are no social welfare payments available to students. You should have told them you are starting college and to stop the payments.

Scortho

GarIT wrote: »

How are you in college and getting something from social welfare? That's fraud isn't it? There are no social welfare payments available to students. You should have told them you are starting college and to stop the payments.

Btea

PinkFly

GarIT wrote: »

How are you in college and getting something from social welfare? That's fraud isn't it? There are no social welfare payments available to students. You should have told them you are starting college and to stop the payments.

Back to education allowance

GarIT

Scortho wrote: »

Btea

That's from the county VEC though not the social welfare, isn't it?

Sin City

GarIT wrote: »

That's from the county VEC though not the social welfare, isn't it?

No the BTEA is from the welfare
The Grant is from the VEC

GarIT

The conditions don't carry over either. BTEA assumes the same rate as the payments you were getting but the conditions don't carry over.

purpur1

GarIT wrote: »

That's from the county VEC though not the social welfare.

Surely someone couldn't get a lone parent payment, house/rent subsidy, and back to education allowance tho....? Just assuming now that OP was reported regarding the house/living situation

GarIT

Sin City wrote: »

No the BTEA is from the welfare
The Grant is from the VEC

My mistake so, sorry

s14o63tlibd8vz

Look my social welfare payments are all above board. I get a cut lone parent and cut grant. I'm a mature student. My post about college fees was 2 years ago... totally irrelevant to my life now. My post the other day is in relation to this one and i did not say he was my boyfriend..where did i say that? Thanks to those who tried to help .. the rest of you get your facts right before you try upset people who are already upset enough.

GarIT

purpur1 wrote: »

Surely someone couldn't get a lone parent payment, house/rent subsidy, and back to education allowance tho....? Just assuming now that OP was reported regarding the house/living situation

No, BETA requires you not to be getting other payments. People in full time education can't get lone parents or the dole. There's no conditions on BTEA like living alone or anything though.

On a side note I've a neighbour that lived with her bf, both of them have jobs and she brags about getting lone parents, she has been reported by ourselves and two neighbours several times in the last two years and nobody has ever done anything.

womandriver

Actually don't get how one can be classed a single mother or a lone parent when the other parent is clearly in existence/not deceased/coming to visit for holidays. Surely you're parents who live apart but the child's parents none the less? It baffles me how parents just by having different addresses can deemed single or lone parents and entitled to welfare to raise their children while parents living at the same address don't. Never heard of an actual single case of lone parent since the immaculate conception.

NoQuarter

If its not true you have nothing to worry about. I'm sure there are hundreds of reports every week. Best to make sure nobody stays over for a while now although in saying that I dont know what the rules are in relation to whether anyone can stay over or not anyway.

GarIT

Alexa Chubby Fish wrote: »

Look my social welfare payments are all above board. I get a cut lone parent and cut grant. I'm a mature student. My post about college fees was 2 years ago... totally irrelevant to my life now. My post the other day is in relation to this one and i did not say he was my boyfriend..where did i say that? Thanks to those who tried to help .. the rest of you get your facts right before you try upset people who are already upset enough.

Are you in college or doing a course? (Just so you know, having college in the name doesn't make it a college) I assume you're part time?

endacl

GarIT wrote: »

How are you in college and getting something from social welfare? That's fraud isn't it? There are no social welfare payments available to students. You should have told them you are starting college and to stop the payments.

1997-2000 I was in receipt of TLA (Third Level Allowance). A welfare payment. Full dole + annual book allowance. Could work as much and for as much during holidays without affecting payments. Made the degree possible. Not sure what they call the scheme these days, if it still exists. Definitely paid by social welfare and not the VEC. Didn't know about the scheme until a welfare officer told me on the day I went to sign off - because I was starting college...

Finished college and never signed on again. Wasn't fraud. Since paid back 100% in taxes.

Sin City

GarIT wrote: »

Are you in college or doing a course? (Just so you know, having college in the name doesn't make it a college) I assume you're part time?

If she is getting a grant she cant be part time as they dont give grants for part time courses and it more than likley has to be from a recognised college.

Also if she is getting the BTEA she is actually allowed work up to 20 hours and still receive the allowence

GarIT

endacl wrote: »

1997-2000 I was in receipt of TLA (Third Level Allowance). A welfare payment. Full dole + annual book allowance. Could work as much and for as much during holidays without affecting payments. Made the degree possible. Not sure what they call the scheme these days, if it still exists. Definitely paid by social welfare and not the VEC. Didn't know about the scheme until a welfare officer told me on the day I went to sign off - because I was starting college...

Finished college and never signed on again. Wasn't fraud. Since paid back 100% in taxes.

Things are definitely different now. I can't even work an hour or two a week without loosing hundreds from my grant.

On another note fraud has no relevance to how much tax you pay.

endacl

GarIT wrote: »

On another note fraud has no relevance to how much tax you pay.

I never said it did. Receiving welfare while in college wasn't fraud. Paying taxes beyond what I received in payments is by-the-by. Just out of interest. The system can work!

purpur1

GarIT wrote: »

No, BETA requires you not to be getting other payments. People in full time education can't get lone parents or the dole. There's no conditions on BTEA like living alone or anything though.

On a side note I've a neighbour that lived with her bf, both of them have jobs and she brags about getting lone parents, she has been reported by ourselves and two neighbours several times in the last two years and nobody has ever done anything.

I'd love to have enough faith in the welfare system to be able to say they're well on top of the fraud cases, like they are starting to portray in the media, but yours is a prime example of how they are far away from tackling the majority of fraud.

If you are honest and did nothing wrong, dont worry, the investigation will prove that. Id imagine the investigation would take a couple of weeks. Crap that you were reported if you did nothing wrong, but try have some faith that the Dept are at least attempting to actively seek out the fraudsters and save the country some cash.

s14o63tlibd8vz

I'm in DCU.

dublin daz

Alexa Chubby Fish wrote: »

I'm in DCU.

The Dept has a special investigations unit now so its hard to predict when they look into tip offs/ examine claims ad-hoc.

It could be routine, they are obliged to call out to verify circumstances and that does not mean they were contacted to investigate potential fraud.

Try not to worry, as you said yourself you were advised all claims are above board and DSP are happy to sanction further payment.

Good luck revising. Don't allow a non-issue distract from the hard work of study and single-handed child rearing.

chris445

womandriver wrote: »

Actually don't get how one can be classed a single mother or a lone parent when the other parent is clearly in existence/not deceased/coming to visit for holidays. Surely you're parents who live apart but the child's parents none the less? It baffles me how parents just by having different addresses can deemed single or lone parents and entitled to welfare to raise their children while parents living at the same address don't. Never heard of an actual single case of lone parent since the immaculate conception.

My mother raised myself and my brother as a lone parent and recieved a lone parents allowance. My father(for want of a better word) is still alive and living less than 5 minutes away. He contributed no money at all towards our upbringing except maybe £50 cash as a birthday present every 3/4 years. Nowadays he would walk right past me in the street without even a second glance. He is clearly in existence/not deceased and only lives down the road so could visit anytime he wanted but that doesn't make him a parent. Also legally my mother is single now too. So she is both a lone parent and a single mother. Hope this helps you get how people can be "classed" as such.

womandriver

chris445 wrote: »

My mother raised myself and my brother as a lone parent and recieved a lone parents allowance. My father(for want of a better word) is still alive and living less than 5 minutes away. He contributed no money at all towards our upbringing except maybe £50 cash as a birthday present every 3/4 years. Nowadays he would walk right past me in the street without even a second glance. He is clearly in existence/not deceased and only lives down the road so could visit anytime he wanted but that doesn't make him a parent. Also legally my mother is single now too. So she is both a lone parent and a single mother. Hope this helps you get how people can be "classed" as such.

Why wasn't he pursued for maintenance? Being a "single" person does not automatically make someone a single parent. There clearly were 2 parents in your case but your father was allowed to walk away from his responsibilities.

GarIT

Alexa Chubby Fish wrote: »

I'm in DCU.

If you're full time in DCU you can't claim any lone parents. You can only claim lone parents if you are unemployed, in Ireland being a student is classed as having a full time job, therefore no dole, lp or anything for students. The only thing you should be able to claim is BTEA or a grant as you can't claim both at the same time.

SB2013

womandriver wrote: »

Actually don't get how one can be classed a single mother or a lone parent when the other parent is clearly in existence/not deceased/coming to visit for holidays. Surely you're parents who live apart but the child's parents none the less? It baffles me how parents just by having different addresses can deemed single or lone parents and entitled to welfare to raise their children while parents living at the same address don't. Never heard of an actual single case of lone parent since the immaculate conception.

chris445 wrote: »

My mother raised myself and my brother as a lone parent and recieved a lone parents allowance. My father(for want of a better word) is still alive and living less than 5 minutes away. He contributed no money at all towards our upbringing except maybe £50 cash as a birthday present every 3/4 years. Nowadays he would walk right past me in the street without even a second glance. He is clearly in existence/not deceased and only lives down the road so could visit anytime he wanted but that doesn't make him a parent. Also legally my mother is single now too. So she is both a lone parent and a single mother. Hope this helps you get how people can be "classed" as such.

womandriver wrote: »

Why wasn't he pursued for maintenance? Being a "single" person does not automatically make someone a single parent. There clearly were 2 parents in your case but your father was allowed to walk away from his responsibilities.

This is just an example of the ineffectiveness of the welfare system. Maintenence should be automatically deducted at source from the fathers wage or social welfare payments. You can't really blame the kids for the mothers poor choices so cutting them off altogether would be unfair. The state should be making it easier for people to claim maintenance.

Ms. Pingui

Actually you can get the lone parent payment and a student grant if you are in full time education.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/social_welfare_payments_and_the_student_maintenance_grant_for_the_2010_11_academic_year.html