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Giro d'Italia 2013

  • 30-04-2013 4:00pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19


    This coming saturday the 96th Giro will start at Naples (Napoli).

    For the victory a duel between Bradley Wiggins and Vincenzo Nibali is expected.

    What's your opinion - who will win the Giro d'Italia 2013?

    Who will win the Giro d'Italia 2013 98 votes

    Wiggins
    0% 0 votes
    Nibali
    35% 35 votes
    Hesjedal
    43% 43 votes
    Evans
    16% 16 votes
    Scarponi
    2% 2 votes
    Gesink
    1% 1 vote
    Weening
    1% 1 vote
    Pozzovivo
    0% 0 votes
    Betancur
    0% 0 votes
    Henao
    0% 0 votes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭denbatt


    Tough call, I voted Wiggins because i just think he is on a more organised team, but anything can happen i guess, the home cheers could be enough to boost Nibali to victory? Should be exciting ether way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,661 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    wiggins, probably.

    betancur is a good outside bet for top 5...in great form, and 150/1 with PP on sunday!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Flandria


    Preamble

    The first Grand Tour of the year, and for some the highlight of the racing year. Il Giro is soaked in the history and legacy of epic battles on the most consistently demanding terrain. But it not just the huge climbs of the Dolomites, Alps and Apennines that define this special race, it is the relentless punchy nature of the Giro that makes it so demanding, with even the nominally flat stages riddled with short, steep climbs or finishes on the narrow roads of hillside towns. Whereas Le Tour with it’s massive caravan uses only the accessible ski stations and open passes of the Alps and Pyrenees in the main (the Massif central is hardly ever used and Puy de Dome was last climbed in 1988), the Giro utilises the countless hills and mountains that run the length of Italy, and they traditionally feature on most days.

    The weather is usually a lot less clement than France in July and often plays a big part in the outcome, and when the corsa and elements combine it can produce days of the most epic racing imaginable. The 2010 edition saw the entire GC Top 10 change hands after torrential rain on the road to L’Aquila, and this only four days after a truly memorable stage on the sodden strade bianche. Andy Hampsten’s victory in the 1988 edition was heroically fashioned in a snowstorm on the Gavia Pass, and Merckx announced himself with a famous win at Tre Cimi de Lavaredo in 1968 in rain, snow and freezing conditions. The Tour de France has the spectacle, the chateaux and the fields of sunflowers but when the weather takes command the Giro d’Italia offers days that simply shake the soul.

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    The cycling press voted the three greatest Giro moments as Coppi's epic escape over five mountain passes on his way to the first ever double in 1949, Pantini's crazed chase on Oropa in 1999 after shipping a chain at the bottom of the climb, and 22 year old Merckx taking six and a half minutes from Gimondi in the snow in 1968.









    Giro d’Italia 2013

    So what do you give the race that has everything except excessive time trials? The answer this year of course - is excessive time trials. The brutal Giro routes that were a feature of the race directorship under Angelo Zomegnan have been tempered under the stewardship of Michele Acquarone, who is intent on presenting a ‘rounded’ grand tour that appeals to a globalised cycling base. For globalised read Sky - that’s both Team Sky and Sky TV. So this rounded version is even more insipid than last year (Acquarone’s first), with an even less demanding route, and most importantly, laden with TT’s. Time trials have never figured prominently in Italian domestic racing, and with the exception of the Moser years the Giro has never embraced the chronometro to the extent that Le Tour has a means of deciding the final outcome. This year’s edition then makes fundamental changes to the traditions that make this race so great, and sets up a clash of styles and cultures as Acquarone continues in his stated efforts to make the famed Giro/Tour double more achievable. So through powermeters and sanitized routes we may see the likes of Wiggins, Froome or Porte eventually join the names of the legendary double winners - Coppi, Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault, Indurain, Pantani and our own Stephen.

    Think about that.

    Fortunately, there is still enough of a sting in the corsa to counter some of the advantage that Wiggins will undoubtedly gain in the time trials and Sky will have to work hard contain Nibali and what looks to be a very aggressive Astana team. The tifosi will be as passionate as ever, and there will be attacking racing for sure, but for the race to run really close we may have to rely on some of that unpredictable Giro weather.


    The Contenders

    Only three can be seriously considered, with all the media hype centering on the rivalry between Wiggins and Nibali. There isn’t any love lost between them and the contrast between the main protagonists and their respective teams is striking. The scientific approach by Sky and Wiggins’ TT diesel pits perfectly against Nibali’s panache and an attacking team moulded by Comrade Vino, and throw in the passionate home support of the tifosi (especially in the South - Nibali is Sicilian) and the stage is set nicely for a showdown. Incidentally, this is what Cath Wiggins said about panache:
    “All this panache business – they can kiss my arse, these people. Who’s got panache? These people that go on stupid pointless attacks? I don’t like panache.“

    However, it would be short-sighted to think that last year’s champion Ryder Hesjedal won’t be in the mix at the finish, as he stands to benefit the most if Sky and Astana go at it full tilt from the off. Most of the other contenders have huge experience but are all approaching the twilight of their careers. Evans, Basso, Samuel Sanchez, Menchov and Scarponi simply have their best days behind them and the best they can hope for is a podium spot. Others like Pozzovivo, Betancur and Pellizotti will climb well but will be blown away in the TT’s, and Gesink has been talked up for far too long now as a big GC chance.

    Wiggins

    He could have picked the TDF route himself last year and with Acquarone gifting this route to Sky, Wiggins will never have a better chance to win a Giro. Yet there is enough difficulties in the route for to be nothing like the same foregone conclusion that last July’s race was. It looks as if both Porte and Kiryienka are not racing this and I wonder will it leave Sky a bit light on the road, especially as both have done well in the Giro previously and surely outweigh Knees and Pate in experience. Nonetheless, to beat Wiggins his rivals will have to look for at least three minutes on the road so he has a huge advantage going in to this. The shenanigans that he is stirring up over a crack at the double are unnecessary on the eve of this and might prove damaging.

    Nibali

    Nibali has team backup arguably as strong as Sky and will not want for support along the roads. The clash of styles will whip up the tifosi and Nibali will feed off that. He has intimate knowledge of the route and will seize any opportunity to take time out of Wiggins. Ninali's TT is decent but not in the class of Wiggins, or for that matter Hesjedal, but he left Froome on the road at Tirreno-Adriatico and despatched Wiggins at Trentino so he won’t be intimidated by the Sky train. If he is to win it, he will do so in the Dolomites on the climbs that Giro legends made their reputations. And he knows it. I would have him as a very slight slight favourite to overturn the TT handicap.

    Hesjedal

    A worthy winner last year who benefitted the most from Liquigas’ strange insistence on pulling the race around Italy for nobody in particular. Hesjedal might get another handy enough armchair ride from Sky this time and he can compete for time bonuses at stage finishes as Rodriguez found out last year. Garmin look to have an experienced, balanced team and if Wiggins or Nibali slip up Hesjedal could take advantage.

    I will post stage threads from Friday. As you can see I get a little bit excited about the Giro...:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭decies


    Any Irish in this ? Martin ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭boege


    Hard to see Wiggens losing this. The amount of TT KMs on this years Giro was alledgedly put on to attract him to enter. The org committee will get what they asked for. Apparently he has spent most of last few months in Majorca doing agreesive climbing training.

    Only chance is if he has a bad day on Galibier but I doubt it.

    I'm hoping he wins so that the TDF turns VERY interesting. Imagine Froome and Wiggens eyeballing each other.....with Conti rolling in the grenades. :D:D:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    decies wrote: »
    Any Irish in this ? Martin ?

    Nope, none at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 RamirezAuron


    Your enthusiasm is remarkable! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Flandria


    Basso is out with a cyst


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Flandria wrote: »
    Basso is out with a cyst

    Very unfortunate for him.
    I couldn't see him being up there with Wiggins and Nibali anyway. Just doesn't have it anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Who's going to be Saxo-Tinkoff's GC leader for the Giro?
    The team is: Daniele Bennati (Ita); Manuele Boaro (Ita); Matti Breschel (Den); Mads Christensen (Den); Karsten Kroon (Ned); Rafal Majka (Pol); Bruno Pires (Por); Evgeny Petrov (Rus); and Rory Sutherland (Aus).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Flandria


    Majka is nominally the GC leader, but realistically they are there for stage wins if they can get them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭catweazle


    I have a few bob in the betfair account and I was looking at a small wager on an outsider to finish in the top 6. I was looking at Uran or Betancour perhaps?

    Any tips?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,469 ✭✭✭TheBlaaMan


    There's an interesting preview here:http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/news/road/key-moments-where-the-2013-giro-ditalia-will-be-won-or-lost_284491

    Here's a snippet to those who wonder about time gaps in TTs
    "In last year’s Tour de France, Wiggins took 2:07 out of Nibali in 41.5km and 3:38 in 52km in the two time trials. Hesjedal didn’t make it to the Tour’s time trials last year, but he ceded 5:26 to Wiggins over 44km in last year’s Olympic Games. Those numbers are deceiving because every race is different, of course. Nibali and Hesjedal have each improved against the clock while Wiggins said he’s worked more on his climbing at the expense of his time trialing. Wiggins hasn’t raced a major TT this season, so it’s difficult to gauge exactly where he is. "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Jose Rujano has been dropped from the Vacansoleil-DCM team for the 2013 Giro d’Italia as a precaution due to his implication in a doping case.

    From here:
    Rujano, who finished third at the Giro in 2005, was named in an inquiry into a doping case in Italy relating to 2009 and 2010. Vacansoleil said he has not taken a banned substance but management preferred to play it safe.
    Their (fairly average) line-up is now as follows: Grega Bole (SLO); Martijn Keizer (NED); Maurits Lammertink (NED); Pim Ligthart (NED); Marco Marcato (ITA); Rob Ruijgh (NED); Jose Rujano (VEN); Rafael Valls (ESP); Frederik Veuchelen (BEL); and Willem Wauters (BEL).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    Flandria you have outdone yourself with that Preamble...well done


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭catweazle


    List of the mountains here - its actually not a bad site overall

    http://www.podiumcafe.com/2013/5/1/4286008/2013-giro-ditalia-mountains-overview

    Now back to work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Flandria


    catweazle wrote: »
    I have a few bob in the betfair account and I was looking at a small wager on an outsider to finish in the top 6. I was looking at Uran or Betancour perhaps?

    Any tips?

    Tip #1 - Don't bet on cycling;)

    Tip #2 - With Basso out Damiano Caruso might be anxious to impress. He led the young rider class in the 2010 Giro for a while and Cannondale are going to have to ride for someone... he is 300/1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭NeedMoreGears


    Well done Flandria - set the mood nicely. The Giro is always my favourite.

    I'm voting Nibali because of the "penache" factor. Wiggo is a very fine cyclist but I don't like the way sky are seeking to change every grand tour into some kind of extended time trial.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Rastadoyle


    What about Santambrogio at 50/1? hes having a good season. even after the tirreno he was about 200/250 - 1 with powers. only started reducing his price recently


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Rastadoyle


    catweazle wrote: »
    I have a few bob in the betfair account and I was looking at a small wager on an outsider to finish in the top 6. I was looking at Uran or Betancour perhaps?

    Any tips?

    Uran isnt a team leader so i be wary of backing somebody like that. hes a good price tho


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Flandria wrote: »
    Basso is out with a cyst

    Well at least he'll get me some assist points on Velogames.



    Geddit? Geddit? Ass-cyst? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Flandria


    Full TV schedule for pointy dish types

    http://www.gazzetta.it/Giroditalia/2013/it/tv-schedule.shtml


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Flandria wrote: »

    Is it just me, or does it look like Eurosport's not providing English language coverage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Flandria


    buffalo wrote: »
    Is it just me, or does it look like Eurosport's not providing English language coverage?

    Here you go...

    http://tv.eurosport.co.uk/cycling/cycling-giro-d-italia_sto3734626/story.shtml

    Live - and lots of highlights. Declan Quigley got the gig with Kelly:eek:
    Commentary comes from Declan Quigley and cycling legend Sean Kelly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Flandria wrote: »
    Here you go...

    http://tv.eurosport.co.uk/cycling/cycling-giro-d-italia_sto3734626/story.shtml

    Live - and lots of highlights. Declan Quigley got the gig with Kelly:eek:

    heh, didn't honestly think they didn't have it, just that it's not listed on the other page. Fair play to Mr Quigley, looking forward to the Giro all the more now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭catweazle


    Rastadoyle wrote: »
    Uran isnt a team leader so i be wary of backing somebody like that. hes a good price tho

    I agree but I remember last year and he was usually in the front group in the high mountains although he is poor in the TT's, I would have thought he might be the equivalent of last years Froome for Wiggins in the tour but perhaps Henao is more likely to be his main man this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Well at least he'll get me some assist points on Velogames.



    Geddit? Geddit? Ass-cyst? :confused:

    Get your ultra light waterproof coat and get out! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Flandria


    Get your ultra light waterproof coat and get out! :pac:

    Ah don't go - abscess makes the heart grow fonder;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭bazermc


    Flandria wrote: »
    Here you go...

    http://tv.eurosport.co.uk/cycling/cycling-giro-d-italia_sto3734626/story.shtml

    Live - and lots of highlights. Declan Quigley got the gig with Kelly:eek:

    Ehhhh - who is Declan Quigley?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Flandria


    bazermc wrote: »
    Ehhhh - who is Declan Quigley?

    Irish commentator who normally does Motorsport, someone from the 'Big Club' should be able to tell you more...;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭bazermc


    Flandria wrote: »
    Irish commentator who normally does Motorsport, someone from the 'Big Club' should be able to tell you more...;)

    Ah yes I remember him know thanks - that should be interesting commentary between him and Kelly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭drogdub


    bazermc wrote: »
    Ah yes I remember him know thanks - that should be interesting commentary between him and Kelly
    He did a fine job at Milan San remo although i'd say Kelly is harder work than backstedt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭The Crunch


    bazermc wrote: »
    Ehhhh - who is Declan Quigley?

    A rogue, a vagabond and a lousy sprinter.
    Although I have heard he's very good to his mother.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    Love this story of Magni from 1956....Its from Inner Ring's website..gosh men were true hard back then !

    ****************************************************************
    1956

    One of cycling’s true hard men, Fiorenzo Magni rode the 13th stage of the 1956 Giro with a broken collarbone, using an inner tube tied to his handlebars, one end between his gritted teeth.

    Although overshadowed at times by his countrymen Coppi and Bartali, Magni nevertheless won the Giro three times and was the first to earn the title “Lion of Flanders”, winning Ronde van Vlaanderen three times in succession.

    Magni was no stranger to controversy. While wearing the yellow jersey he effectively lost the 1950 Tour de France when the Italian team departed the race in protest at French fans assaulting his teammate Batali on the Col d’Aspin stage. Off the bike, he was accused of being part of a fascist militia group involved in war crimes during WWII, in stark contrast to Bartali who had fought with the Resistance and secretly delivered anti-fascist newspapers while on his training rides.

    In the 1956 Giro, however, Magni broke his collarbone in a bad crash on stage 12. Refusing to abandon and with his broken clavicle heavily strapped, Magni’s team mechanic Falierio Masi (Ernesto Colnago was the other) reportedly came up with the idea to attach the rubber inner tube to his handlebars and hold this between his teeth.



    The next day, in a mountain time trial, Magni bit on the inner tube to relieve his pain as much as to steer. After a couple of consecutive 270km+ stages, on stage 16 Magni faced a 230km mountain stage but, unable to use his brakes or barely steer, he crashed while descending and broke his humerus (upper arm). Waking up in the ambulance on the way to hospital, Magni reportedly screamed at the driver to stop, then remounted his bike and rejoined a waiting peloton to finish the stage.

    It took another similar supreme effort to beat Magni. On stage 20, facing an overall deficit of 16 minutes, Charly Gaul won a legendary mountain stage across four climbs in the Dolomites, through snow and ice. Some 60 riders abandoned that day, but Fiorenzo Magni was not one of them. A genuine exponent of the “pain face”, Magni finished second in the 1956 Giro, 3:27 behind Charly Gaul but another 3 minutes ahead of third place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭bazermc


    Is it just me or does the now, clean cut, Bradley Wiggins now look like Lance


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Looking forward to tomorrow. Lying on the couch, nursing a hangover, flicking between the Giro and the snooker.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    Looking forward to tomorrow. Lying on the couch, nursing a hangover, flicking between the Giro and the snooker.

    your bean?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    Anyone doing a fantasy league.....I joined the Velogames one...means if have 9 riders to cheer on!

    http://www.velogames.com/giro-ditalia/2013/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭buffalo


    MPFG wrote: »
    Anyone doing a fantasy league.....I joined the Velogames one...means if have 9 riders to cheer on!

    http://www.velogames.com/giro-ditalia/2013/

    Boards.ie League Code: 30150550

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84419220


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    Thanks Buffalo just joined
    Reassured to see the usual suspects !


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    bazermc wrote: »
    Is it just me or does the now, clean cut, Bradley Wiggins now look like Lance

    what are you implying?


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,393 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    donfers wrote: »
    what are you implying?
    They're implying nothing, so no need for a reply to this question

    Thanks

    Beasty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Flandria


    A present from La Gazzetta...

    http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2013/download/Garibaldi_2013.pdf

    The full 380 page official road book. :):)


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    donfers wrote: »
    what are you implying?


    Had me bamboozled as well.


    But anyway:

    Wiggins looks far from invincible to be, especially in the Dolomites.

    Given the amount of TT Kms I think he'll win the Giro though. Barring a disaster. Probably from Nibali.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The more I think about it, the more this years Giro course pisses me off. Nothing against Wiggins, but the Giro shouldn't be a race for a TT specialist. It's supposed to be for mental Italians.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    Brian? wrote: »
    The more I think about it, the more this years Giro course pisses me off. Nothing against Wiggins, but the Giro shouldn't be a race for a TT specialist. It's supposed to be for mental Italians.

    They wanted to make sure Bradley would do it...he is afterall the superstar of cycling at the moment...so many people who have never seen a bike race know who he is....he makes the main news bulletins on the bbc...you have him and you ahve alot of publicity for your race


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭unichall


    For those interested, came across this on twitter, a tipster competition between cycling tipsters including Dan Lloyd. The guy who writes the blazing saddles blog for eurosprort is down on the sheet but no selections yet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0ApflsEuZf-EGdFJwbXgwaXBEYWRQU2gxQkUtNmZvbEE&usp=sharing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    I ma surprised Sammy Sanchez hasn't got higher backing....


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    MPFG wrote: »
    They wanted to make sure Bradley would do it...he is afterall the superstar of cycling at the moment...so many people who have never seen a bike race know who he is....he makes the main news bulletins on the bbc...you have him and you ahve alot of publicity for your race

    Pandering to the Anglophone world. I doubt Wiggins makes the evening news on TV5 or RAI UNO.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    Brian? wrote: »
    Pandering to the Anglophone world. I doubt Wiggins makes the evening news on TV5 or RAI UNO.

    I watched today's stage on Rai Sport and they went on about him quite a bit. They featured him after the stage with pre-recorded interviews where he told them how much he watched Italian races as a kid and how great Pantani was. Then a panel gave their analysis of his chances in the Giro and the tour. They gave over about 20 minutes or so to the topic.


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