What price for 380kgs Angus Heifers, 1 year old?

locky76

Hey folks,
There's a neighbour of mine selling 380kgs angus heifers from a dairy herd, they were born in March 2012. They're fine and rangey, they haven't been pumped with nuts.
What sort of money are they making at present?
Any help greatly appreciated...

blue5000

Very rough ballpark figure is around 2 euro/kg, but depends a lot on quality etc, holstein influence?

locky76

blue5000 wrote: »

Very rough ballpark figure is around 2 euro/kg, but depends a lot on quality etc, holstein influence?

None, i bought similar cattle from him last year and got them finished by October...

Farmer Pudsey

380kgs is fair weight for rangy heifers that are not pumped. What weight did tey kill last year or did you sell in mart. If they can be killed at year end the AA schemes pays well from November on for them . The outlook for that type of cattle is very good.

locky76

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

380kgs is fair weight for rangy heifers that are not pumped. What weight did tey kill last year or did you sell in mart. If they can be killed at year end the AA schemes pays well from November on for them . The outlook for that type of cattle is very good.

I weighed them the five of them last year the night before they went to the factory and they killed out at 530kgs live weight at 54% on average- 285kgs hanging up, I doubt i'll get them to that weight this year (if the growth doesn't pick up soon...).
I'm in the angus scheme and hoping to qualify for the AAA scheme this year if i kill enough cattle.
As per last year I'll be housing the cattle i want to fatten on 1st October, building them up to 6kgs meal per day along with the best of my silage(doing the silage testing this year) and killing them 1st December to qualify for the maximum bonus...

Farmer Pudsey

locky76 wrote: »

I weighed them the five of them last year the night before they went to the factory and they killed out at 530kgs live weight at 54% on average- 285kgs hanging up, I doubt i'll get them to that weight this year (if the growth doesn't pick up soon...).
I'm in the angus scheme and hoping to qualify for the AAA scheme this year if i kill enough cattle.
As per last year I'll be housing the cattle i want to fatten on 1st October, building them up to 6kgs meal per day along with the best of my silage(doing the silage testing this year) and killing them 1st December to qualify for the maximum bonus...

At present AA heifers that are finished are selling well in factory and mart. Hard to see them being less than 4/kg at year end. and I would imagine that they will be a nice bit more.

locky76

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

At present AA heifers that are finished are selling well in factory and mart. Hard to see them being less than 4/kg at year end. and I would imagine that they will be a nice bit more.

throw in the 40c/kgs bonus for the AAA scheme and the 12c/kg bord bia bonus and you're into €4.56/kg min... Nice work if you can get it...

mauser77

locky76 wrote: »

throw in the 40c/kgs bonus for the AAA scheme and the 12c/kg bord bia bonus and you're into €4.56/kg min... Nice work if you can get it...

What's the deal with aa scheme let's say with Angus x cattle that wud have spots of white around their navels and that are they excepted

Manoffeeling

mauser77 wrote: »

What's the deal with aa scheme let's say with Angus x cattle that wud have spots of white around their navels and that are they excepted

They look at the card. Colour doesn't matter

bob charles

Manoffeeling wrote: »

They look at the card. Colour doesn't matter

most certainly does. animals have to look like aa to qualify along with aa on the card

Manoffeeling

bob charles wrote: »

most certainly does. animals have to look like aa to qualify along with aa on the card

How does one have this aa look

locky76

bob charles wrote: »

most certainly does. animals have to look like aa to qualify along with aa on the card

Not necessarily Bob (although I hate to argue with a man of your stature;)) I was at the recent angus information nights and they brought in a red (limo mother), yellow (charolais mother) and chocolately (simmental mother) coloured animals weho they said all qualified for the angus bonus, they have to have a PBR angus bull as the sire anbd they have to be in your herd 70 days to qualify...

bob charles

well I have seen allot of them refused when going up the line for slaughter. I also watched a very heated argument one morning between a farmer and the AA rep for refusing to accept animals into scheme due to them having colours etc. Maybe its just a strict AA rep in our meat plant but pictures are take of all animals and they have to look like a polly.

Farmer Pudsey

Cattle must be polled as opposed to skulled, colour is not an issue as long as it would be a natural AA cross colour. AAXCH can be a mousy brown/creamy colour however the head will be AA shaped. You can have red polly's and Blackwhite type but all must be naturally polled. Also the farm that they were born in must have an AA bull to sire them. there will be a general tightening of conditions after the Horse meat debacle

locky76

Fair dues Bob, I do know a guy who does the angus inspection & that sort of carry on sounds right up his street. They did mention the naturally polled criteria as well alright...

bob charles wrote: »

well I have seen allot of them refused when going up the line for slaughter. I also watched a very heated argument one morning between a farmer and the AA rep for refusing to accept animals into scheme due to them having colours etc. Maybe its just a strict AA rep in our meat plant but pictures are take of all animals and they have to look like a polly.

Manoffeeling

locky76 wrote: »

Fair dues Bob, I do know a guy who does the angus inspection & that sort of carry on sounds right up his street. They did mention the naturally polled criteria as well alright...

Tell us about colour, and be honest

mauser77

How do you tell if they are sired by a pure bred bull let's say you see them in the mart and just buy them

locky76

mauser77 wrote: »

How do you tell if they are sired by a pure bred bull let's say you see them in the mart and just buy them

You're rolling the dice if you buy in the mart, best bought off a local farmer who you know has a PBR angus bull...

Helpmefarm

Few questions lads? I've 27 acres of good land including 8 acres of meadow could I finish 30 angus off that? What age best to finish them at? Are angusx british fresian ok? And what feed system do ya use for how many days? Sorry I'm new to farming and know dam all! Thanks all!

just do it

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Cattle must be polled as opposed to skulled, colour is not an issue as long as it would be a natural AA cross colour. AAXCH can be a mousy brown/creamy colour however the head will be AA shaped. You can have red polly's and Blackwhite type but all must be naturally polled. Also the farm that they were born in must have an AA bull to sire them. there will be a general tightening of conditions after the Horse meat debacle

And proper order too. When you buy a certified angus steak you expect it to be just that. It's a bit disappointing that it could be half holstein in the first place.

Dampintheattic

just do it wrote: »

And proper order too. When you buy a certified angus steak you expect it to be just that. It's a bit disappointing that it could be half holstein in the first place.

Or a piece if a horse, for that matter!

just do it

Helpmefarm wrote: »

Are angusx british fresian ok?

Perfect, but genuine xBFR are hard got. In my experience most xBFR cattle advertised have more holstein in them than BFR.