Season 3: Episode 5 * Have READ the books/SPOILERS**

I need to stop waking up early on Mondays to watch this bloody show!

Excellent episode, one of my favorite this season. So much happened I don't think they jumped in to as many stories in one episode this season?

The duel between Clegane and Beric was very well done, really enjoyed it. Clegane's one liners before and after were as good as always! The scenes after with Ayra & Gendry were well done, I don't remember Gendry ever saying stuff like that in the books & with Martin's input into the show you'd wonder if Gendry will make a return in future books(that's the first thing that sprung to my mind anyway). I reckon Clegane has to abduct her in the next episode as she is due to be sent to Riverun pretty much straight away from what Thoro's said.

Jon's story is prodding along nicely they should probably be at the wall in the next episode, Ygritte looked fantastic! Thormund is really well cast I hope they don't change him for when he re-enters the story in ADWD.

The scenes in Riverrun were my favorite, very intense and it really shows how Rob loses his control of his own men and then his last attempt at winning the war is to trust the Frey's..... Karstark's execution was very well done.

Jamie & Brienne's scenes have been good throughout the season and the one in this episode was probably the best. Jamie's confession to why he killed the mad king was very well done and for the non book readers it will show a different side to him. I really loved when Jamie growled how can the wolf judge the lion(or something along those lines) before he passed out.

They've changed a lot of the Dragonstone story it's odd but you can see how it will work out. They've introduced Stannis's wife in to the show quite well and she comes across as weird in the show as she does the book.

The cracks are starting to show between Jorah and Barristan, I reckon Barristan will out Jorah in the next episode. I wonder can the non book readers see it coming. I always pictured Grey Worm to be a big guy so was surprised by that when he was introduced.

The scenes in Kings Landing were as good as ever, but again more stuff has been changed from the books. Cersei was promised to the other Tyrell in the books wasn't she? I don't remember Littlefinger getting that info the way he did in the books but could be wrong. I'd say the non book readers were shocked with that ending. The scene with the 3 Lannisters was brilliantly done, Charles Dance steals every scene he is in. Was delighted to see Cersei's plan turn on her.

The only people they left out this week that have any baring on where they would be in the books are Sam & Bran's(off the top of my head) but they'll be able to make that up in the next few episodes. My god the Red Wedding is going to be epic!

Shazbot

Another great episode. The duel with Sandor and Beric was done very well. The conversation between Arya and Beric about his resurrections was a little in your face but necessary. They changed some of the deaths he suffered but lets not knit-pick. I'd say Arya will get abducted next week.

The scenes in Riverrun were great, I was hoping they wouldn't make Robs downfall so obvious but they pulled it back nicely at the end when he was hopeful about attacking Casterly Rock. Between that and Walder Frey accepting the new wedding plans, the Red Wedding should be a bit more of a shock for non-readers.

It's good to see Selsye and Shireen brought into the show. A bit freaky seeing the stillborn being kept in jars but I guess it solidifies her madness. I always pictured Shireen's greyscale as a small patch not half her face.

King's landing was fantastic this week. All the plotting and counter plotting. There's so many changes but I think it works for the show. Can anyone refresh my memory from the show, is Loras a member of the kingsguard yet? Or was it not done to make the Sansa-Tyrell marriage easier. No point bringing in the extra Tyrells at this point. Once again, Charles dance steals the scene.

The best scene was Jamie and Brienne in the bath. I loved reading that chapter and they did it justice here.

podgemonster

Ya i think all the storylines are really in full flow now. I really enjoyed Robb Starks scenes this week, so like his father, bound to nobility. His rage when he cut off Karstarks head, the stifling rain, brilliant. I really admired the decision to show Karstark's killing the boys and showing the corpses really highlights the correct moral decision Robb makes although tactically foolish. Also a clever ploy to distract the non-readers with a potential assault on Casterly Rock.

This really was Jaime's episode, a complete turnaround from the dying mess he was last week. He has finally become humbled, the sure mask he wore taken away to see a wounded lion that grimanced everytime some mentioned Kingslayer. The unusual bond that has developed between him and Brienne is protrayed so well. We see a little insight into Roose Boltons pyscology by the way he toyed with information to Jaime. I don't know why he looks so rough, my only explanation would be the devouring toll at which Harranhal has on it's lord, unless I am forgetting something.

The Hounds and Beric fight was enjoyable, didnt expect it to kick off straight away. Nice length too with some great skill from Beric. The Lady of Thorns revealed her enthusasim for the Royal Wedding also, I wonder will the non-readers pick it up. Littlefingers little side plot was a nice touch too if very rushed.

The final scene was excellent, the great dynamic between the 3 lannisters. I loved that 3 seconds of silence as Cersei stares smugly at Tyrion who slowly realises who Sansa is to be married to. Then Tywin shows his power to put Cersei back in her box. Apart from the final scene from ep 4, this episode was far superior.

Although it did need more of King Joffery.

beardedmaster

One thing I noted is that Loras is referred to as the heir of Highgarden - this writes off Willas (who is the actual heir, and somewhat of a cripple due to fall from a horse, but supposedly very kind and scholarly) and Garlan (who is described as like Loras, but broader, and a fantastic fighter - practises his swordplay with 4 men at a time).

Nothing major of course, but it kind of writes them off as serving any big purpose any point later in the books, as they would have been kept if that was the case. If Loras wasn't so young they could be written in as his younger brothers, but that's not likely now.

Great episode of course!!

beardedmaster

Oh yeah, Selyse and Shireen were very well done I thought. Though I think some effort should have been made to explain Shireen's greyscale, unless it's going to be done in a later episode. I could imagine why people would think he has her locked away because she was deformed at birth, which isn't the case.

wonderboysam

About time we got to see Ygritte naked!

podgemonster

beardedmaster wrote: »

Oh yeah, Selyse and Shireen were very well done I thought. Though I think some effort should have been made to explain Shireen's greyscale, unless it's going to be done in a later episode. I could imagine why people would think he has her locked away because she was deformed at birth, which isn't the case.

very true. No explaination regarding her condition and unlikely that non book readers are aware that is an actual disease rather than a scar or birthmark. It's contagious right?

I can't remember, was Cersei told she would have to marry one of the Tyrells? Was very confused when Tywin told her to marry Loras, because that definitely never happened... o.O

Dubhlinner

podgemonster wrote: »

very true. No explaination regarding her condition and unlikely that non book readers are aware that is an actual disease rather than a scar or birthmark. It's contagious right?

I don't think so. Well it would be when active but I think what Shireen has is the scars from having survived an infection of it.

Dubhlinner

Enjoyed the episode myself. Was good the way they played Melisandre's music during the BWB scenes.

Also they played the same music during the beheading of Karstark as they did when Theon revealed the dead "stark" boys. Perhaps a hint at it being his moment of desperation/madness.

I like what they've done with Shireen. Edric Storm appears to be completely axed and part of his role merged with Davos.

Sort of hits home that watching the show is kind of a spoiler for the unpublished books. I thought it possible Edric may come into play later on in some sense.

titan18

beardedmaster wrote: »

One thing I noted is that Loras is referred to as the heir of Highgarden - this writes off Willas (who is the actual heir, and somewhat of a cripple due to fall from a horse, but supposedly very kind and scholarly) and Garlan (who is described as like Loras, but broader, and a fantastic fighter - practises his swordplay with 4 men at a time).

Nothing major of course, but it kind of writes them off as serving any big purpose any point later in the books, as they would have been kept if that was the case. If Loras wasn't so young they could be written in as his younger brothers, but that's not likely now.

Great episode of course!!

Was he referred to as the heir? How stupid are they to have done that, does that mean Loras doesn't join the Kingsguard now. Garlan was the one in the books who was meant to have poisoned Joffrey too. Willas being cripped was as a result of a joust with Oberyn too, which is one of the reasons the current Tyrells and Martells hate each other so much.

That's major enough to me

Dubhlinner wrote: »

Enjoyed the episode myself. Was good the way they played Melisandre's music during the BWB scenes.

Also they played the same music during the beheading of Karstark as they did when Theon revealed the dead "stark" boys. Perhaps a hint at it being his moment of desperation/madness.

I like what they've done with Shireen. Edric Storm appears to be completely axed and part of his role merged with Davos.

Sort of hits home that watching the show is kind of a spoiler for the unpublished books. I thought it possible Edric may come into play later on in some sense.

Well tbh, they wrote out Shireen in season 2 and now she's in the show, so it's mostly the producers having no idea what they're doing. Characters they're writing out could be brought back in again, when they realise they need them.

Shazbot

titan18 wrote: »

Garlan was the one in the books who was meant to have poisoned Joffrey too

I can't remember Garlan having a role in the poisoning. I always thought it was Olenna after scheming with Littlefinger.

With regards Shireen and the greyscale. I don't think it's meant to be contagious. She's always seen with Patchface in the books and learns to read with Davos and Edric with the Maester so it can't be too contagious.

I think her portrayal here is of an unwanted daughter for Stannis and makes him too cruel which isn't the case.

Shazbot

titan18 wrote: »

Well tbh, they wrote out Shireen in season 2 and now she's in the show, so it's mostly the producers having no idea what they're doing. Characters they're writing out could be brought back in again, when they realise they need them.

The producers know what they're doing. George has told them how it's going to end and he still has creative input into the show so they can't deviate too far from the overall plan. Some minor characters can be written out for the sake of the show. Sometimes it's annoying but there are times when you sit back and ask "is Belwas really needed?"

beardedmaster

Shazbot wrote: »

Sometimes it's annoying but there are times when you sit back and ask "is Belwas really needed?"

He kills a the champion of Yunkai, then turns his back to the city, lowers his breeches and takes a **** over the man's corpse. Following this he eats some liver and onions because "killing makes him hungry." Of course he's needed. :P

Shazbot

beardedmaster wrote: »

He kills a the champion of Yunkai, then turns his back to the city, lowers his breeches and takes a **** over the man's corpse. Following this he eats some liver and onions because "killing makes him hungry." Of course he's needed. :P

Yeah, I can't imagine Jorah or Selmy doing that. Then again, the use of Belwas in that scenario was another clever move by Dany and proves her strategic thinking.

I'm sure they'll manage without him though.

titan18

Shazbot wrote: »

I can't remember Garlan having a role in the poisoning. I always thought it was Olenna after scheming with Littlefinger.

With regards Shireen and the greyscale. I don't think it's meant to be contagious. She's always seen with Patchface in the books and learns to read with Davos and Edric with the Maester so it can't be too contagious.

I think her portrayal here is of an unwanted daughter for Stannis and makes him too cruel which isn't the case.

It's meant to be Olenna and Littlefinger who had planned, but Garlan is the one who put the poison into Joffrey's cup. Amethyst from Sansa's hairnet, Garlan dropped it in Joffrey's cup. Tbf, no one really knows but most evidence pointed to Tyrell's plot and Garlan being the one at the table who could do it most unnoticed.

Shazbot wrote: »

The producers know what they're doing. George has told them how it's going to end and he still has creative input into the show so they can't deviate too far from the overall plan. Some minor characters can be written out for the sake of the show. Sometimes it's annoying but there are times when you sit back and ask "is Belwas really needed?"

It'd be nice to think they know what they're doing but they've shown quite a lot of times that they have no clue at all. Writing Shireen out, bringing her back in. Having the episode in season 1 where the Freys join Robbs army, now apparently, they never were in it. Completely changing Robb, Catelyn, Jon etc from their book characters and motivations for doing things. Robb's army being half made up of Karstark men, but in season 1, we had Umber, Glover, Mormont etc all at the table proclaiming him King in the North and giving their men to him.

Fair enough, they have to cut things and characters in order to be able to adapt to television, but when they're making changes that don't stack up with what they've done in previous episodes, adding and removing characters all over the place, and changing things that don't make sense in the world that's been created, there are problems.

For example, with Loras, if he's the only heir to Highgarden, why is he allowed into the Kingsguard. We haven't been shown Mace, but from what we've seen from Olenna, she's going to allow the only heir into service removing him from inheriting those lands. The Kingsguard is only an honour too, it can be refused, and that is perfectly refusable. If they don't put him in, they can't actually go ahead with him and Cersei getting married.

rcazzy

I'd say they'll leave it open ended. They haven't gotten rid of Garlan or Wilas, just haven't mentioned them. Can mention it in future if needs be.

Just finished. Brilliant episode. Just about teared up when Ygritte asked Jon to stay in the cave. Robbs scenes were great and hopeful for the future and appropriately so. shireen singing patchfaces prophecies is a nice little creepy change. She was adorable and I guess this is how Davos learns to read for when he becomes hand and receives a raven from Castle Black. Jaimes monologue was also done perfectly. So excited for all the things to come.

mewso

rcazzy wrote: »

Just finished. Brilliant episode. Just about teared up when Ygritte asked Jon to stay in the cave.

Having read the books some scenes have that extra sadness watching them particularly that scene. Great episode this week.

username123

Brilliant episode.

The chemistry between Jaime and Brienne is amazing. And Brienne looked pretty hot from behind naked - first time I really saw her as a woman and not a warrior. Great to see the other side of Jaime too.

Charles Dance is such a scene stealer. That was a great scene at the end. Looks like they are disposing of Garlan and Willas (I cant recall Garlan having any part in the poisoning either?) - dont think it matters really - the point is for the Lannisters to go against any plans the Tyrells had to steal Sansa for themselves - its not really relevant who she was meant to marry - although its far more believable on screen that she would be excited about marrying Ser Loras I think.

Loved the fight between the Hound and Dondarrion - bit disappointed with the appearance of Dondarrion - bit too healthy looking!

Thought they did the greyscale very well, nice scenes with Shireen and Davos.

HUGELY disappointed that there is no Patchface - no Butterbumps, no Patchface, no Ser Dontos - where are the fools!! I know I know oh oh oh....

Pepe LeFrits

The fight between Dondarrion and the Hound was fricking awesome. Beats both of Jaime's tussles hands down!

Pepe LeFrits

Incidentally - Talisa's reaction to the Lannister boys - the evidence is mounting...

Witcher

Pixelburp still making suspiciously accurate comments and predictions...

ixoy

Couldn't help saying, when Rob said he intended to go back to the Freys, "Ohhhh that's a bad idea".

Liamalone

Blay wrote: »

Pixelburp still making suspiciously accurate comments and predictions...

Blatant book/wiki reader

username123

Liamalone wrote: »

Blatant book/wiki reader

Tries to add a bit of realism with things like "Santa chap" - its been obvious for ages though.

RasTa

Blay wrote: »

Pixelburp still making suspiciously accurate comments and predictions...

Thinking the same

Pepe LeFrits

I don't think so; he's just paying attention.

Witcher

I'd ban him/her just to be safe TBH. They might be innocent but at this stage it seems pretty unlikely. Can see the RW being spoiled by their coy suggestions.

abff

Hard not to be smug when you've read the books. I can't wait though to see the reaction to the red wedding. Can't be too far away now.

I'm also looking forward to seeing that little sh*t Joffrey choke to death. That was definitely one of my favourite moments in the books so far. I felt like doing a dance to celebrate when I read it.

Interrobang

Blay wrote: »

suspiciously accurate comments and predictions...

Some of the obvious posts on the non-reader thread have me clenching my fists in frustration for those who haven't read the books. The only reason I bite my tongue is because drawing attention to their 'predictions' and confirming them as accurate would in itself serve as a spoiler. Fėckin' annoying not being able to call them on it, though.

Newaglish

Blay wrote: »

I'd ban him/her just to be safe TBH. They might be innocent but at this stage it seems pretty unlikely. Can see the RW being spoiled by their coy suggestions.

I've reported his post and I recommend others do the same. Everything specific he predicts is 100% accurate and then he says things like "Santa chap" to act as if he's not too familiar with the content.

Given that they say "Karstark" quite a number of times in this episode, for someone who pretends to be watching the TV show with excellent attention to detail, he would definitely remember the name. Karstark even mentions the similarity between "Stark" and "Karstark"!

It's horribly close to the Red Wedding and he's already starting to foreshadow his next prediction. I think it would be criminal to spoil it on other people.

pinkypinky

Have to say there was a lot of mumbling in this episode. Jaime's monologue was terribly muffled - if I hadn't already know the story, I would have rewound.

Thought the greyscale looked great and am so pleased there's no Patchface.

Over all, shaping up really well and the scene at the end was brilliant. 3 great actors at their best.

Thought the exact same thing about him/her and then a quick look through his posts on the forum solidified that suspicion, it is possible to predict a lot of it but I just dont buy someone getting it so accurate. From what he/she has posted I don't think there is anything you can ban him on yet, I really hope the RW isn't ruined on anyone. I got a girl in work to read the books and she just finished a lot of the stuff that happens in book 3, she was in shock the poor girl . The people watching the show deserve the same shock

Barna77

Great episode.

CHarles Dance, you're my hero. Loved Cersei's smug look and then, the joke is on her. Also, if Jamie joined the Kingsguard but he's still heir to the Rock (Tywin dixit), they might do the same with Loras....

So we are having no Edric Storm, who turned out to be a stillborn... Not missing Patchface though.

I really hope they do something with Daenerys as it seems the show is following the Yunkai and Mereen road. It's a drag in the books....

wonderboysam wrote: »

About time we got to see Ygritte naked!

Looks like Jon Snow finally knows something

Interrobang wrote: »

Some of the obvious posts on the non-reader thread have me clenching my fists in frustration for those who haven't read the books. The only reason I bite my tongue is because drawing attention to their 'predictions' and confirming them as accurate would in itself serve as a spoiler. Fėckin' annoying not being able to call them on it, though.

Someone could just post something there, the likes of "some smartarses around here" , childish I know

Gbear

titan18 wrote: »

It's meant to be Olenna and Littlefinger who had planned, but Garlan is the one who put the poison into Joffrey's cup. Amethyst from Sansa's hairnet, Garlan dropped it in Joffrey's cup. Tbf, no one really knows but most evidence pointed to Tyrell's plot and Garlan being the one at the table who could do it most unnoticed.

None of that is that is really concrete yet, least of all Garlan's involvement.

It doesn't really matter who does it ultimately so long as it's the Tyrells.

Shazbot wrote: »

Yeah, I can't imagine Jorah or Selmy doing that. Then again, the use of Belwas in that scenario was another clever move by Dany and proves her strategic thinking.

I'm sure they'll manage without him though.

The final episode is called "Mhysa" or "Mother".
I suspect in that episode Barristan will prove himself, kill the champion, the slaves will be freed and Mormont will be outed.

Clearly Mormont was probing Selmy to see if he knew about his involvement in the plot. Was he not involved in the small council? I don't remember.
Who else is going to out Mormont, or will he own up himself?

podgemonster wrote: »

I don't know why he looks so rough, my only explanation would be the devouring toll at which Harranhal has on it's lord, unless I am forgetting something.

Leeches.:cool:

I really loved the detail of putting in Patchface's prophecies. Not sure enough was heard to be able to infer anything for non-book readers but if there wasn't it was nice fan-service.

podgemonster

Newaglish wrote: »

I've reported his post and I recommend others do the same. Everything specific he predicts is 100% accurate and then he says things like "Santa chap" to act as if he's not too familiar with the content.

Given that they say "Karstark" quite a number of times in this episode, for someone who pretends to be watching the TV show with excellent attention to detail, he would definitely remember the name. Karstark even mentions the similarity between "Stark" and "Karstark"!

It's horribly close to the Red Wedding and he's already starting to foreshadow his next prediction. I think it would be criminal to spoil it on other people.

He assumes Bolton is going to turn based on..
1. "hospitality" he has shown Jaime after his men mutilated him, (failing to notice Brienne gets the same hospitality and Roose makes Jaime think his sister is dead for a few seconds).
2. Tywins eagerness to marry Sansa to Tyrion because (presumably) Twyin is aware Bran and Rickon are dead, hinting Bolton informed Tywin as they (presumably) were at Winterfell and captured Theon which he links to the Boltons based on the torture device and the Bolton sigil scene in the background of episode.

Hence from these leaps, Roose is going to "change sides" and states it loud and clear.

He then refers to the Frey house 2 hours later reminding people that Robbs broken promise.
I have reported him too.

Gbear

The matter of banning him (should it be decided) would be of some delicacy.

I'm sure our stalwart mods are up the task.;)

PhlegmyMoses

Just watching the episode with the prior knowledge of what happens to Robb makes me realise that he's as big an idiot as Ned when it comes to honour and obeying the chain of command.

Imprison Karstark and make his men fight for you ffs. As soon as you lop his head off you lose the war. You can be sure as **** that Tywin would never let honour get in his way of winning that war.

Mr.Prodston

Interrobang wrote: »

Some of the obvious posts on the non-reader thread have me clenching my fists in frustration for those who haven't read the books. The only reason I bite my tongue is because drawing attention to their 'predictions' and confirming them as accurate would in itself serve as a spoiler. Fėckin' annoying not being able to call them on it, though.

Same with me, it's just infuriating. What could anyone possibly get out of it? Now I know the adulation on the internet is what we all strive for :pac: ...but this just isn't on.

Gbear wrote: »

The matter of banning him (should it be decided) would be of some delicacy.

I'm sure our stalwart mods are up the task.;)

I propose we take this all the way, fight dirty if we must. The Fantasy Football forum lobbied for an assist be awarded to Bale earlier today, this has taught me that Boards.ie is a powerful tool and we can achieve anything we desire. So who's with me? Lets finish this once and........*Gets knocked out by Dagmer Cleftjaw* :pac:

thehairyone

Jaime and brienne steal another episode. Charles dance and arya not far behind them.

Great episode. As others have said, im glad patchface isnt in the series, found him a very annoying character.

Talisas reaction to the dead lannister boys leaves me in no doubt that she is a mole.

pixelburp was very accurate last week aswell and his "predictions" were mentioned in last weeks "have read the books" thread too. have reported him. His calling Shireens deformity "scale-like" is a bit of a giveaway to me.

There are a couple of other giveaways in other peoples posts aswell. Maybe im being overly suspicious but when i see people spelling his name as "robb" instead of "rob" alarm bells start going off. You would have to be an pretty sharp eyed non-book reader to notice that his name is spelled with a double b.

Liam O

Pixelburp's suggestions aren't that outlandish for someone just watching the show, think people are just being paranoid. A lot wrong this week and the way the Freys have been portrayed in the show from what I've heard (sporadic watcher) has been less than complimentary. They are making such obvious foreshadowing for Robb too, it would be hard to see him lasting long at all even if I didn't know he was biting the bullet soon.

hussey

I watched it with housemates and one of them said Bolton would turn, based on "Look at him, he's evil, he's up to no good"

Oh in the book Cersei was going to be wed to willas, but the tyrells refused.

Interrobang

Barna77 wrote: »

Someone could just post something there, the likes of "some smartarses around here" , childish I know

Nah, I just report the suspicious posts. I'll be raging if someone spoils the RW for the non-readers, though, and I can see a few posts starting to work in that direction. Seriously, are people that desperate for kudos that they'd pretend to be so intuitive, or are they just acting the bøllox in wanting to ruin it for everyone else? Sad individuals, either way.

Shazbot

There's definitely some suspicious posting going on by Pixelburp. The Red Wedding is the biggest event of the entire book series and has the potential to be a great moment in TV. If anyone spoils it with 'guessing' or 'predicting' they should get a permanent ban from the forum.

mariebeth

Really loved this episode.

On the note of people "guessing" in the non book readers thread if they really are trying to inadvertently spoil it for people then they're not real fans of either the books or the shows. I work with two non book readers and it's so hard every week not to say something or answer questions that might give something away but I keep quiet. I'm not going to ruin it for them because I want them to enjoy every episode and not be waiting for something to happen that they've been told about.

Pepe LeFrits

podgemonster wrote: »

He assumes Bolton is going to turn based on..
1. "hospitality" he has shown Jaime after his men mutilated him, (failing to notice Brienne gets the same hospitality and Roose makes Jaime think his sister is dead for a few seconds).
2. Tywins eagerness to marry Sansa to Tyrion because (presumably) Twyin is aware Bran and Rickon are dead, hinting Bolton informed Tywin as they (presumably) were at Winterfell and captured Theon which he links to the Boltons based on the torture device and the Bolton sigil scene in the background of episode.

Hence from these leaps, Roose is going to "change sides" and states it loud and clear.

He then refers to the Frey house 2 hours later reminding people that Robbs broken promise.
I have reported him too.

Actually he's been posting about the suspicious nature of the Boltons all season - it can be logically deducted that the Boltons have Theon and are lying about it, and Roose Bolton also clearly lied to Robb about Winterfell being sacked by the Iron Islanders. It's obvious to anyone paying close attention that the Boltons don't have Robb's best interests at heart.

pixelburp

Maybe not a book reader but has been goggling info and possibly stuff that hasn't happened yet which is just as bad. I've talked to a lot of non book readers in work etc and they are nowhere near as accurate as this fella. He's not telling us something!

pixelburp wrote: »

Well Poderick is just a background character atm, and I had to google Aemon tbh and he was in what, 1/2 scenes in season 2? (this is for the non-book readers, in case said characters are front & centre on the printed page) The rest I'd qualify as being victims of circumstance, and said circumstance not exactly being favorable to their well-being. Ultimately this shows tone rewards the malevolent or scheming, and those who aren't tend to get shunted to the side, figuratively or literally, and it gets a little repetitive after a while.
.

Liam McPoyle

mariebeth wrote: »

Really loved this episode.

On the note of people "guessing" in the non book readers thread if they really are trying to inadvertently spoil it for people then they're not real fans of either the books or the shows. I work with two non book readers and it's so hard every week not to say something or answer questions that might give something away but I keep quiet. I'm not going to ruin it for them because I want them to enjoy every episode and not be waiting for something to happen that they've been told about.

Exactly,my girlfriend hasn't read any of the books and we watch the show together.She keeps asking me questions about what could potentially happen but I'm refusing to confirm or deny anything as I want her to be surprised by it.

I had the ending to The Shield spoiled for me on another forum and I'd hate to have anything to do with it happening to someone else.

gandalf

Necronos wrote: »

Exactly,my girlfriend hasn't read any of the books and we watch the show together.She keeps asking me questions about what could potentially happen but I'm refusing to confirm or deny anything as I want her to be surprised by it.

Yep same here my wife hasn't read the books and I find myself biting my tongue. I nearly gave away Jamie's amputation by accident. I don't know how I am going to keep a straight face in the lead up to the "RW"

Niska

The great thing about the show is you can pick up different beats or emphasis than the books.

When Arya is talking to Thoros and Beric about the ressurection - "Can you bring back a man with no head. Not many times, just once..." you can almost see the idea, the seed, being planted in Beric's mind that leads him to

awaken Lady Stoneheart

They also layer n information so well. Olenna giving us all the information on the logistics that an army needs, the week after Dany gains an army...

Cienciano

They left out one good bit. When tywin is sitting down with tyrion and cersei, he goes through a few possible husbands. One of these was baylon greyjoy. In the book she was horrified and tyrion was pissing himself laughing at the idea of it. Would have been nice to see!