I think Windows 8 is great!

Richard Dower

Dunno WHy people have such a huge issue with it?...ok, no start menu...so what?

Very first thing i did on install was buy Start8....sorted. Never once had a crash, love the live tiles and all that app malarky going on. Yeah things can be hard to find at the start....but jaysus!, just snoop around and you'll find everything! :rolleyes:

It's like two OS in one, your tablet swipe fingery stuff and the normal desktop. The problem was....people are idiots!, they've no feckin clue about computers or OS.

Man i've lost count how how many times i wiped my HDD and installed a fresh OS install, its like rebirth....:)
Lovin' W8 and cant wait for 8.1 + i got my W8 upgrade for 15 Euro!

Steve O

I 8 it.

deconduo

Steve O wrote: »

I 8 it.

You must have been hungry.

discus

It's genuinely the worst thing ever!

JcDubz4life

I hate it refuse to use the new laptop at home because of it. Iv gone from loving Microsoft computers all my life to swearing il only buy apple products from now on

hullaballoo

There was nothing wrong with NT.

Richard Dower

hullaballoo wrote: »

There was nothing wrong with NT.

That is like saying XP is a "modern operating system"

Marsden

JcDubz4life wrote: »

I hate it refuse to use the new laptop at home because of it. Iv gone from loving Microsoft computers all my life to swearing il only buy apple products from now on

That won't improve things, just downgrade to windows 7.

Steve O

deconduo wrote: »

You must have been hungry.

I really was.

I regret it now though, damn thing gave me a virus.

Fr_Dougal

Richard Dower wrote: »

Dunno WHy people have such a huge issue with it?...ok, no start menu...so what?

Very first thing i did on install was buy Start8....sorted. Never once had a crash, love the live tiles and all that app malarky going on. Yeah things can be hard to find at the start....but jaysus!, just snoop around and you'll find everything! :rolleyes:

It's like two OS in one, your tablet swipe fingery stuff and the normal desktop. The problem was....people are idiots!, they've no feckin clue about computers or OS.

Man i've lost count how how many times i wiped my HDD and installed a fresh OS install, its like rebirth....:)
Lovin' W8 and cant wait for 8.1 + i got my W8 upgrade for 15 Euro!

Congratulations. Have a cookie.

belcampprisoner

you don't know computers,
when using your computer you don't want apps you want to get to the computer programs and start working

and on off button would be nice

search button as well, all of this is hidden.moving to windows is like moving back to windows xp


apps are not real computing,buisnesses will not use windows 8 that's why Microsoft is trying to fix it,windows 8 was built for tablets

OneArt

It's supposed to be intuitive, but it keeps f*cking things up for me. It'll just randomly highlight a sentence (or an entire PAGE) while I'm typing and I'll end up deleting it by mistake... Course I'm not sure if its windows 8 or if its just the new laptop I got. Either way its a pain in the hole (and yes I can find stuff, there are too many other reasons to list...)

LowOdour

Richard Dower wrote: »

Man i've lost count how how many times i wiped my HDD and installed a fresh OS install, its like rebirth....:)
Lovin' W8 and cant wait for 8.1 + i got my W8 upgrade for 15 Euro!

Why would having Win8 make any difference with this?

Win8 is fine, just like Win7 is fine, just like Vista (in general) was fine just like XP was fine. Ditto bout linux based OS's. Always wonder why this stuff annoys people

zenno

Using windows 8 on a desktop with mouse and keyboard makes no sense but i have used it on a laptop and it's way handier with the slider mouse-pad pinching the screen larger and smaller and just navigating through it on the laptop is good but not with a mouse and keyboard and also no touch screen.

Gamer Bhoy 89

I... kind-of agree with the OP. One thing I'm grateful of is the removal of the Aero desktop. Personally, I thought it was too...pretty. I have noticed a nice performance boost with Windows 8. For someone like me who only has 3gb of ram and a 1.8ghz processor, it's kind of a big deal.

The new start menu (metro) is kind of a pain, though. I do like the addition of the apps etc. It's cool. But I also liked scrolling through the Start menu and finding the program I want to run eg: if I wanted to play Red Alert 2, I could just scroll down and find it in the Westwood folder within the Start Menu. I have to search harder now to find what I'm looking for in the new Start menu because they look a bit scattered.

I'm being a little picky, I guess. I have no problem with searching manually. That Start8 seems like a handy feature but 40 euro? Eek...

partyatmygaff

It's poor without a touchscreen, fantastic with one.

fifth

There's a really interesting (but long) presentation/keynote from the guy who lead the design for the new 'metro/modern ui' interface on the web, can't find it right now. But it's worth a watch, he does a very good job of explaining why it is how it is and it makes a lot of sense.

Plus the fact that the standard desktop + start menu layout have been around since 1992!
A lot of things that were normal in 1992 are absolutely ancient in 2013, why not this style of desktop..convention alone isn't enough of a reason for me.

dgt

Don't like it. Works well with a touchscreen but on a pc it's terrible.

Said by an idiot who still uses Vista....

SirLemonhead

Richard Dower wrote: »

Dunno WHy people have such a huge issue with it?...ok, no start menu...so what?

Very first thing i did on install was buy Start8....sorted.

So what indeed! just throw money at the problem until it's a non issue :cool:

dh0011

or use ubuntu

unkel

Agreed OP, windows 8 is a fine operating system. I've been using it on my main PC for nearly 2 years now

The only thing is that Microsoft is a bit stupid not to realise that most people are a bit stupid (and can't handle modern UI). They should not have left out the start button in the final version. They've realised their mistake and the start button is back in windows 8.1 in June

Like yourself, I forked out the grand sum of €3 for Start8

Richard Dower wrote: »

i got my W8 upgrade for 15 Euro!

+1

Best value OS of all time :cool:

Steve O

unkel wrote: »

The only thing is that Microsoft is a bit stupid not to realise that most people are a bit stupid (and can't handle modern UI).

What intelligent and sound reasoning, I doff my hat to you good sir.

Bipolar Joe

It should just be called Window, now. Terrible OS.

bren50c

you love the os but bought start8, bit of a contradiction there.

why people hate it? the ui change is a business decision by microsoft to get a foothold in the tablet market and i don't really think they were too concerned about what works best with a keyboard/mouse setup just more concerned about $$$.

personally i would have been happy with the under the hood improvements but keeping the win7 interface.

zenno

There is a problem with the skype on windows 8 but i'm sure they will fix it eventually, you can't edit on it either which is nuts. The option is to not use the integrated skype and just download a version to your desktop as that is more stable.

Tar.Aldarion

Look, Microsoft found one!

gamercfc

gamercfc wrote: »

I'm being a little picky, I guess. I have no problem with searching manually. That Start8 seems like a handy feature but 40 euro? Eek...

Start8 is only $5

I agree with everything else you posted though.

youreadthat

LowOdour wrote: »

Why would having Win8 make any difference with this?

Win8 is fine, just like Win7 is fine, just like Vista (in general) was fine just like XP was fine. Ditto bout linux based OS's. Always wonder why this stuff annoys people

Vista was awful. Most buggy OS I've ever used.

looking_around

Windows 8 is tablet based and somewhat a copy of apples OS.

I reckon I would stick with win7 on next M$ laptop. I prefer it, I know it. (I'd stick with XP if it wasn't so outdated now XD..)
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@Zenno:
Skype app, has been dodgy for awhile now. It's M$, there's always gonna be some bug with it

zenno

looking_around wrote: »

Windows 8 is tablet based and somewhat a copy of apples OS.

I reckon I would stick with win7 on next M$ laptop. I prefer it, I know it. (I'd stick with XP if it wasn't so outdated now XD..)
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@Zenno:
Skype app, has been dodgy for awhile now. It's M$, there's always gonna be some bug with it

Yeah, since they took skype over it has gone down-hill.

unkel

bren50c wrote: »

you love the os but bought start8, bit of a contradiction there.

Can't say I agree. I love W8 because:

1. it is faster than W7
2. it takes less space than W7
3. it boots quicker than W7
4. it is at least as stable as W7
5. W8 Professional cost me €14.99

I don't like the lack of start button so I purchased Start8 (€3). Minor drawback of windows 8, but a quick, cheap and perfect fix.

BostonB

looking_around wrote: »

Windows 8 is tablet based and somewhat a copy of apples OS.

I reckon I would stick with win7 on next M$ laptop. I prefer it, I know it. (I'd stick with XP if it wasn't so outdated now XD..)...

I have no idea what you are talking about.

tablet based ? copy of apples OS?

Underneath W8 is the same as W7. It might look a bit different here and there but thats about it. Install a menu its like a better windows 7.

zenno

Ahh bring back windows millennium edition, that was a great operating system, i had many hours of fun with all the error codes to deal with :pac:

It will be interesting to see how windows 9 pans out in the future, i'll be waiting for that one. If i end up purchasing a new laptop later i'll be happy enough with windows 8 on it with the start menu installed but for the desktop nah, it just does not compute unless you have a touch-screen. Windows 7 is the most stable operating system i have tried so far out of them all and it does the job spectacularly.

DesperateDan

People are generally idiots, they don't seem to realise you can use W8 without any of the touch screen functionality whatsoever. That's what I've been doing on my pc for a year now and it really works like a charm. Very fast and stable, lovely task manager and windows Explorer. And super cheap too!

DjFlin

Have Windows 8 and for the most part I love it.

Under the hood its just a better Windows 7. I do agree though that its UI is tablet focused and can be a hassle with a mouse and keyboard at times.

zenno

DesperateDan wrote: »

People are generally idiots, they don't seem to realise you can use W8 without any of the touch screen functionality whatsoever. That's what I've been doing on my pc for a year now and it really works like a charm. Very fast and stable, lovely task manager and windows Explorer. And super cheap too!

Ehh, most do realize this but they don't like windows 8 for other reasons. In desktop mode it is the same as windows 7 but there are other things related to win8 that some people might not like.

It is the same in desktop mode as win7 but people are fussy you know.

BostonB

zenno wrote: »

Ehh, most do realize this but they don't like windows 8 for other reasons. In desktop mode it is the same as windows 7 but there are other things related to win8 that some people might not like.

It is the same in desktop mode as win7 but people are fussy you know.

What other reasons?

zenno

BostonB wrote: »

What other reasons?

Ask the people that use it. Google is your friend.

PseudoFamous

Richard Dower wrote: »

Very first thing i did on install was buy Start8....sorted.

That's like saying "Oh my car didn't come with aircon so I just cut some holes in the windscreen"

Personally, I don't care about the lack of startmenu, not in the least. I play around with different OS-es quite a bit, and my main gripe with windows 8 is how disjointed it is. It's two OSes strapped together, and hardly done seamlessly. I have the difference in grunt between 8 and 7 available to me and then plenty, so I'm sticking around with W7 for the foreseeable future since it's at least continuous and logical.

BostonB

zenno wrote: »

Ask the people that use it. Google is your friend.

Thought as much.

Amprodude

I ran window 8 off a virtual machine to see what it's like. I didn't like it at all. I have windows 7 and I will hold onto that as my OS and keep windows 8 to the virtual PC.

looking_around

It's not an upgrade if it ends being them same now as it. And it's a bit ridic, to get win 8, have to install a menu. When you can still get win7 and it works a charm, no hassle.

Windows 8 was created for tablets, for them to be squirming it around for PC's is awkward.
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And yes, if you've used an apple, the whole pinch/and slide on the mousepad has been around awhile

Yamanoto

zenno wrote: »

Ehh, most do realize this but they don't like windows 8 for other reasons.

I'm not too sure about that tbh. Microsoft naturally wanted to big up a new departure for Windows with all the associated bells and whistles, so it would've sent out mixed messages if they'd simultaneously highlighted the fact that the new UI could be almost completely circumvented, in favour of something strikingly similar to Win7.

I'd imagine most folks think there's at least a moderate learning curve involved with shifting to Win8, though that's really not the case if they choose to bypass Metro altogether.

The Barefoot Pizza Thief

Spoilt kids.

You don't know computer hardship until you've had to hold a cushion over a banshee like screaming tape deck at 1am for fear of it waking up your folks, as Ghosts n Goblins loads.

BostonB

PseudoFamous wrote: »

That's like saying "Oh my car didn't come with aircon so I just cut some holes in the windscreen"

Considering you can switch back to not having a start menu with almost no effort, (its just an app) and you can't if you've drilled holes in your car, its obviously not like that.

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Personally, I don't care about the lack of startmenu, not in the least. I play around with different OS-es quite a bit, and my main gripe with windows 8 is how disjointed it is. It's two OSes strapped together, and hardly done seamlessly. I have the difference in grunt between 8 and 7 available to me and then plenty, so I'm sticking around with W7 for the foreseeable future since it's at least continuous and logical.

I would assume that someone used to switching OS'es would see it more like a skin, or at a stretch like a desktop environment on Linux. Because the Metro UI is figuratively (but perhaps literally) only skin deep.

Oat23

gamercfc wrote: »

The new start menu (metro) is kind of a pain, though. I do like the addition of the apps etc. It's cool. But I also liked scrolling through the Start menu and finding the program I want to run eg: if I wanted to play Red Alert 2, I could just scroll down and find it in the Westwood folder within the Start Menu. I have to search harder now to find what I'm looking for in the new Start menu because they look a bit scattered.

If you use Steam for your games, look up the app Steam Tile on the windows store. Very useful app that creates tiles for your games.

Attached mine so you see what I mean.

BostonB

looking_around wrote: »

It's not an upgrade if it ends being them same now as it. And it's a bit ridic, to get win 8, have to install a menu. When you can still get win7 and it works a charm, no hassle.

Windows 8 was created for tablets, for them to be squirming it around for PC's is awkward.
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And yes, if you've used an apple, the whole pinch/and slide on the mousepad has been around awhile

If you can install a menu and its the same as Win7, then it kinda suggests its not been built for a tablet.

looking_around

no, it suggests they've added a function to make it usable on non-touch screens.

DesperateDan

zenno wrote: »

Ask the people that use it. Google is your friend.

I program on Windows 8 everyday, it is an excellent operating system.

I find it very unfortunate that literally the only 2 reasons people don't like it are:

• The division between Metro and desktop modes
• The lack of a start menu.

As Yamanoto rightly said there is a miniscule learning curve involved in bypassing Metro from the get go - but people's first impressions leave them bewildered and frustratingly trying just to access the desktop mode. But when it comes down to it, it's extremely simple.

Regarding the Start menu, reports suggest Microsoft are adding a slimmed down start menu back in for Windows 8.1.

I use Ninite when setting up any OS and I really suggest others try it and pass it on too if they like it. It's a site that lets you install many useful programs in one click, bypassing all of the prompts associated with installs if you want. Anyway the point is it includes Classic Shell in the list of options on that site (under utilities), which is a fantastic, easily customisable replacement to that missing start menu.

More info from the truly awesome Linus from youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVtWAPq3Y0

DonkeyStyle \o/

I don't need big dumbass pictures of my programs all over the place. I don't have a touch-screen, I'm not going to have a touch screen. I tried to turn off the new crap with one of those startmenu programs, but the sidebar was still popping out, viewing images opened some fullscreen crap that I couldn't summon the will to figure out.
Would it have been that much trouble for them to have a prompt come up asking if you want to use Windows Fisherprice Kiosk Edition?
Fair play to anyone who likes it, I'm not saying you shouldn't, but I can't be bothered with it, or spending hours researching how to turn off the bullshit I don't want, just so it can be more like the OS before it.

BostonB

looking_around wrote: »

no, it suggests they've added a function to make it usable on non-touch screens.

How is it not usable out of the box. Click on the desktop tile and you're back to Windows 7 desktop. You can right click and explore your hard disk and folders like before. that's before you add anything like a menu.

I don't like Metro, its like a rough demo of a work in progress. But the hysterics about it are ridiculous, considering 5 mins and you can turn most of metro off.