something to grow in tillage field for the pit

6480

is there any thing other than mazie that could be sown into a tillage field at this time of year , the crop would be for milking cows next winter

delaval

6480 wrote: »

is there any thing other than mazie that could be sown into a tillage field at this time of year , the crop would be for milking cows next winter

Fodder beet , arable silage

td5man

6480 wrote: »

is there any thing other than mazie that could be sown into a tillage field at this time of year , the crop would be for milking cows next winter

Triticale and lupins here.

whelan1

td5man wrote: »

Triticale and lupins here.

did you sow yet?

yellow50HX

delaval wrote: »

Fodder beet , arable silage

Yipp cos of the cold spring its still sowing season. If you go for fodder beet get the correct variety. Spring grazing type grows higher in ground so it can be pulled easier.

6480

td5man wrote: »

Triticale and lupins here.

does it cost much too grow and would i be late sowing now

bob charles

td5man wrote: »

Triticale and lupins here.

Triticale is a crop that never caught on, wonder why?

Spring Wheat for wholecrop would be my choice, depending on the site selection but why not maize.

Maybe with your location something like Westerwolds cut 3 times would give greatest DM if thats what your after

Dont be daft

bob charles wrote: »

Spring Wheat for wholecrop would be my choice

Can wholecrop be cut from a Winter crop?

Obviously to late now but if you were undersowing with grass would a winter variety mean you could cut earlier and get maybe another one or two rotations of the grass after harvest?

Or would the grass seed over dominate a winter crop?

bob charles

Dont be daft wrote: »

Can wholecrop be cut from a Winter crop?

Obviously to late now but if you were undersowing with grass would a winter variety mean you could cut earlier and get maybe another one or two rotations of the grass after harvest?

Or would the grass seed over dominate a winter crop?

I dont agree with undersowing, you cant grow two top notch crops at the one time. will suit some farms to undersow though

Yes winter wheat can be wholecropped but have never seen a winter crop undersowing with grass. There would be too much competition for the wheat or grass to survive

td5man

bob charles wrote: »

Triticale is a crop that never caught on, wonder why?

Spring Wheat for wholecrop would be my choice, depending on the site selection but why not maize.

Maybe with your location something like Westerwolds cut 3 times would give greatest DM if thats what your after

Grew spring wheat and lupins last year ,was disappointed with energy levels but protein was ok.
The variety of lupin we're growing this year is suitable for growing in scotland.
Just needs a pre emergence spray
Cheaper to grow than maize and less weather dependant

bob charles

td5man wrote: »

Grew spring wheat and lupins last year ,was disappointed with energy levels but protein was ok.
The variety of lupin we're growing this year is suitable for growing in scotland.
Just needs a pre emergence spray
Cheaper to grow than maize and less weather dependant

have you had triticale/lupin silage tested to get energy levels. plenty of regulator is needed to get a high energy feed, bigger crop of straw the more the feed will be diluted. Maize is expensive to grow but a super feed when done right and not as weather dependent as some make out. site selection and management are everything

6480

bob charles wrote: »

have you had triticale/lupin silage tested to get energy levels. plenty of regulator is needed to get a high energy feed, bigger crop of straw the more the feed will be diluted. Maize is expensive to grow but a super feed when done right and not as weather dependent as some make out. site selection and management are everything

but the last few years the area of mazie grown has fallen a lot

td5man

bob charles wrote: »

have you had triticale/lupin silage tested to get energy levels. plenty of regulator is needed to get a high energy feed, bigger crop of straw the more the feed will be diluted. Maize is expensive to grow but a super feed when done right and not as weather dependent as some make out. site selection and management are everything

Forgot the growth regulator :rolleyes:
Cant remember how last years tested but protein was reasonable but energy was a little low,but was happy enough seeing the weather we had.

td5man

6480 wrote: »

does it cost much too grow and would i be late sowing now

Seed 75/acre 3x18-6-12 pre emergence spray growth regulator.
Hoping to plough and sow this week
Plough till spray and harvest myself just have to get someone to sow it.

6480

can it be cut with a double chop harvester

td5man

6480 wrote: »

can it be cut with a double chop harvester

Yep cut with the wagon last year will be using double chop this year.
Mowed with a non conditioner mower last year was very hard to pick up picked up stones as well, would have cut it as quick with the dc.

bob charles

6480 wrote: »

but the last few years the area of mazie grown has fallen a lot

and??, too many guys growing it who hadnt a clue of the agronomy for maize, site selection is 50% of the way there

6480

bob charles wrote: »

and??, too many guys growing it who hadnt a clue of the agronomy for maize, site selection is 50% of the way there

i kind of agree with you , i grew mazie in the past and had great crops but its too costly to put in and take a gamble with the weather to grow a good crop of it

99nsr125

6480 wrote: »

is there any thing other than mazie that could be sown into a tillage field at this time of year , the crop would be for milking cows next winter

Peas and barley

6480

99nsr125 wrote: »

Peas and barley

i am going with peas ,oats and barley , hope it will all help with bulking up the pits for next winter

Farmer Pudsey

bob charles wrote: »

Triticale is a crop that never caught on, wonder why?

Spring Wheat for wholecrop would be my choice, depending on the site selection but why not maize.

Maybe with your location something like Westerwolds cut 3 times would give greatest DM if thats what your after

I have heard that cattle will only eat triticale if they are hungryish and you cannot feed other grain with it as cattle are not overly fond of it however personally I have not used it.

Wheat or westerwolds may be an option and in the case of westerwolds you may have a heavy cover again next spring that would fill a gap.

Dont be daft wrote: »

Can wholecrop be cut from a Winter crop?

Obviously to late now but if you were undersowing with grass would a winter variety mean you could cut earlier and get maybe another one or two rotations of the grass after harvest?

Or would the grass seed over dominate a winter crop?

If you undersow you have to give grass priority and wheat may be too compeditive and winter wheat especially.

6480 wrote: »

i am going with peas ,oats and barley , hope it will all help with bulking up the pits for next winter

Should be a good choice, consider crimping the grain to give a high quality high protein feed

6480

hope to get it in at the weekend

whelan1

hope to get mine in today:o

grazeaway

the plan is to have it in this week too. it was only over the weekend that the fileds were dry enough to plough. will put out the fertilzer this evening and get the power harrow out tomorrow and then sow

bob charles

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I have heard that cattle will only eat triticale if they are hungryish and you cannot feed other grain with it as cattle are not overly fond of it however personally I have not used it.

Wheat or westerwolds may be an option and in the case of westerwolds you may have a heavy cover again next spring that would fill a gap.

Can anyone get me an idea of how westerwolds test out in a pit. May get some in after wheat for a cut before winter and another cut in spring before cropping again. I have done it in the past with italian ryegrass but it a bugger to kill off in spring