Daniel Bryan- Do you think he get a run with WWE title?

Looper007

The guy is seriously over with the crowd and is by a mile the best in ring talent WWE have. I know he's a bit of a comedy character a la Kurt Angle in 1999/2000 but Bryan could turn that around. We all know he can do serious going by his run in ROH as Champ. Do you think WWE would give him the belt maybe build him up as an underdog and have him win it at WM30? (they need a good underdog story at WM). I think he'd give you 5 star matches like a Cm Punk and he's shown he's pretty good talker.

so what do you guys think?

RobbingBandit

He is doing a good job with Kane as the Tag Champs at the moment, if Punk doesn't win the WWE Money in the Bank I hope Daniel Bryan does, him cashing in on either Cena or Punk would be epic.

Looper007

RobbingBandit wrote: »

He is doing a good job with Kane as the Tag Champs at the moment, if Punk doesn't win the WWE Money in the Bank I hope Daniel Bryan does, him cashing in on either Cena or Punk would be epic.

I like them to bring on a more serious side to Bryan when Team Hell No breaks up even if he stays Face. Make him get a few impressive wins over some top heels and a Heel Punk vs Face Bryan would be epic maybe.He needs to lose the beard though

Ando's Saggy Bottom

He already had a run with the belt. I don't think he'll ever be a credible bone fide main eventer in Vince's eyes.

Diabhal Beag

Him just getting the World Title run is my all-time wrestling highlight. Would certainly not promise to eat my own tie if he got a big run against the likes of Cena in the future.

Jester252

He's too small for Vince

JP Liz V1

He is super over, could ever rival Cena as top face in WWE, they'd be stupid not to give him a WWE title reign imo and as said above a feud with a heel Punk would be great

Rjd2

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

He is super over, could ever rival Cena as top face in WWE, they'd be stupid not to give him a WWE title reign imo and as said above a feud with a heel Punk would be great

Yep, really over kids love him and its not as if WWE is flooded with as popular faces as Bryan, doubtful if he will ever get the main world title though.:(

sockmo

He definitely will at some stage within the next 5 years, ziggler and Bryan are the future main eventers of the company.

Hopefully!

glenjamin

It's so hard to be a face and get cheered nowadays. Parts of the crowd groan when the likes of Cena, Sheamus, Orton, and Miz are out. Bryan is an out and out face who is loved by all aspects of the crowd. As good as he is heel, I hope they keep him face for quite a while and let him grow.

jaykhunter

Definitely. Despite his size, he's a featured performer every week on RAW. Kane killed off Zack Ryder, dragged down Cena majorly, but Bryan's turned it into a big plus, giving Kane the best run he's had for at least a decade (IMO). He's over with the kids and also the veteran fans, WWE will have to give him a run with the WWE title at some point - I'd say within the next 2 years. I think he'll also be a "CM Punk champ" with Cena still as the main guy, and he'll be opening shows, but a WWE title reign nonetheless.

GTR63

Bryan will probably never be a guy they`d build a Mania around (thats gonna be part timers and a select few for a while because of reasons wwe know) but i`d rather see him with the World title as he`d get more tv time on Smackdown to have longer matches regularly.
He`s the most over face they have in terms of % of positive reaction. Smart or adult fans won`t cheer for his opponent like they do Sheamus, Orton and Cena. I`d like to see wwe push him, Cesaro and others more now that Mania season is over instead of clinging on desperately to Taker, Lesnar & HHH like they are tinsel in January.

starviewadams

Hope that he does,but wouldn't put money on it.

Definitely see him getting another World title run again,though hopefully not with Ziggler until he's given AJ the boot,as I don't really want her to be the focus of another Bryan title feud.Unless Bryan tells her to shut up constantly!

A Rogue Hobo

100% he will at some stage assuming he doesn't leave or something disastrous happens, they don't start giving you dark segments with HHH and matches with Taker these days unless they see something in you.

DM_7

If Rey can have short (very short) reigns then Bryan can get the title. Can he have a run, I think so, unlike Rey he can actually have an interesting persona and not rely on his in ring work alone to sell himself.

His size is an issue but good booking in his WHC reign got around that pretty fast. A couple more matches with Big Show and his size issue goes right out the window.

He could do with a 'sudden' finisher though, you can't tap everyone out, a shining Wizard or something like Regals Knee finisher as a tribute would work - a knee to the head is a very believable KO blow (Zigglers Superkick needs to be a finisher as well but thats another discussion).

rovert

Pretty much everyone at his level gets a "turn" of the belt.

Nody

I think the key to a run would be to build him as a submission wrestler with great technical skill to compensate for size. I still remember Bret Hart vs. Yukozuma and how the commentors were going on about the weight difference and you could really see the difference between them in ring but how Bret in the end got Yukozuma into his submission move; it was very believable he could now win because of that move that he got in even with the size difference in place.

Riddle101

I think it's very possible, there's no other wrestler in WWE who I think deserves it more tbh. The WWE title scene has been dominated by Punk, Rock and now Cena. The title scene could do with some new fresher blood, and Bryan is the best one to do it. After they break up Team Hell No, put him in a few high profile feuds to build up his character, then have him win the WWE title. I know this is rather unlikely, but I think it would be great if Daniel Bryan was the man to make Cena tap out. I think making Cena tap out, would be an achievement in it's own, and would give someone the rub, and Bryan's perfect because he's a submission specialist.

That being said of course, this is WWE we're talking about so the chances of what I said above is probably unlikely.

gnfnrhead

World title would be far more likely.

WWE title is reserved for a select few these days. Look at the recent list of champions. Bar Mysterio's less than two hour title reign, you have to go back two years to the Miz. Del Rio never dropped far from title contention whereas Bryan is wasted as a comedy act. Punk, Cena and Rock are the others. Dont think Bryan will be holding the WWE title any time soon.

Arawn

Nody wrote: »

I think the key to a run would be to build him as a submission wrestler with great technical skill to compensate for size. I still remember Bret Hart vs. Yukozuma and how the commentors were going on about the weight difference and you could really see the difference between them in ring but how Bret in the end got Yukozuma into his submission move; it was very believable he could now win because of that move that he got in even with the size difference in place.

The man practices every single move he does on bears, mere humans stand no chance

Handsome Bob

I think he has a chance, but I see it as out of reach for the forseeable future. He's far more likely to capture the WHC.

One thing I hate though is this talk of "they have to make him serious". What's wrong with having a goofy, eccentric, champ? Swagger's run was terrible but I think a large part of that was that they didn't let him be the character that made him interesting and instead tried to make him be super serious.

Lord TSC

Handsome Bob wrote: »

One thing I hate though is this talk of "they have to make him serious".

Agreed 100% here.

He's over because of his character. Get rid of that and make him a generic submission wrestler, and you risk losing all the face reactions again. Granted, he could do with a beard tidy-up and a haircut, but there's very little I'd change about his character. They can build him as a very good wrestler while still retaining the aspects of him that people obviously love...

krudler

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I think he has a chance, but I see it as out of reach for the forseeable future. He's far more likely to capture the WHC.

One thing I hate though is this talk of "they have to make him serious". What's wrong with having a goofy, eccentric, champ? Swagger's run was terrible but I think a large part of that was that they didn't let him be the character that made him interesting and instead tried to make him be super serious.

Being goofy never hurt Kurt Angle, they can still have him goofy then when the time comes kick ass.

rossie1977

if miz got a run then bryan should get one, book it in a similar fashion to mick foleys first win and you are onto a winner

Mr.Saturn

rossie1977 wrote: »

if miz got a run then bryan should get one, book it in a similar fashion to mick foleys first win and you are onto a winner

It'd be a woeful irony if Cole did the commentary on said win, similar to his work on Foley's. I mean, considering Cole's history with Bryan.

GTR63

rossie1977 wrote: »

if miz got a run then bryan should get one, book it in a similar fashion to mick foleys first win and you are onto a winner

Whenever I think of that I ALWAYS think of that pop Austin got it was ridiculous.

Looper007

rossie1977 wrote: »

if miz got a run then bryan should get one, book it in a similar fashion to mick foleys first win and you are onto a winner

I see a great storyline with Bryan been build as underdog wrestling machine who has to stop the unstoppable heel. A bit like Foley vs the Rock back in late 98/early 1999. That was an awesome feud. A Heel Orton and Bryan having a feud would be awesome.

Mr.Saturn

Looper007 wrote: »

I see a great storyline with Bryan been build as underdog wrestling machine who has to stop the unstoppable heel.

This what I was hoping for from Bryan's MitB run, which coincided with Mark Henry's ascension to the top-flight. I could envision a very Flair/Vader-style WHC match-up at WM28. Aside from 18 seconds (which inadvertently ended up propelling him anyways), he's had a stellar run since regardless.

He's in a pretty comfy position too; should a main-event run flop for whatever reason, he's always got the 'YES!' shtick to fall back on.

SirDelboy18

Pretty confident he will get a good run - he is technically brilliant and cuts a decent promo. He is very over and he does appear in matches that are important to the WWE - his appearance in The Shields debut match for example. Is getting lots of exposure with the Undertaker and with the way the Undertakers schedule is at the moment to be in the ring with him is a large vote of confidence and trust. Lots of veterans think he is very good also.

Just needs that special something to bring him into the next level. I don't think it'll (special something) happen with Hell No though.

rovert

*BUMP*

Meltzer said Shawn was talking about Daniel Bryan if it was already obvious:

Shawn Michaels recently sat down for an interview with the Ministry of Slam wrestling radio show. Michaels reflected on a recent meeting with Vince McMahon. Below is a transcript:

A multi-time World Champion over his lengthy in-ring career, “The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels has done it all in the professional wrestling industry. Since retiring in 2010, HBK has concentrated on his outdoor activity show, MacMillan River Adventures, as well as spending increased periods of time with his family.

During a recent interview with the Ministry Of Slam wrestling radio show, Michaels noted a recent exchange between WWE head honcho, Vince McMahon and himself. Going further, “The Showstopper” talks his awareness of not having the typical frame of what is considered a main event talent in WWE.

“I had a conversation a couple of weeks ago with the man in charge”, Michaels stated, “and we were talking about a certain individual and he goes, ‘I just don’t see money in him.’ And I said, ‘You said the same thing about me.’ He said, ‘I did not.’ I said, ‘Yes you did!’ (laughs) I said, ‘And it’s okay. It’s just one of those things.’”

“I wasn’t your prototypical – heck, I wasn’t anybody’s prototypical main event guy, and I knew that. So, you just do your absolute best. Yes, I was very scared and very worried, which had a lot to do with how bad I handled stuff. I spent a great deal of my career waiting for the other shoe to drop, because it was a very real view of me and my ability and talent. I’m a firm believer that talent does rise to the top, but you have to be patient. So, I spent a great deal of time worried, intimidated, and concerned that with each passing storyline, it might be the last one.”

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His main event of Raw didn't do that well a quarter hour:

The story of the show isn’t one that a lot of people will want to hear. It was a risk building the show around Daniel Bryan as the main character no matter how loud those in the building cheer for him. And his street fight with Randy Orton did a terrible overrun number, coming off it being the main event on the least watched non-holiday Smackdown show since it started airing on Syfy. For people who complain about John Cena, as a general rule, his segments deliver, particularly in the main event slot.

In the segment-by-segment, the opening segment with Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton on the mic and having their short first match did a 2.82 open which is very weak. Sheamus & Christian vs. Cody Rhodes & Damian Sandow and Kaitlyn vs. Aksana lost 124,000 viewers. The A.J. Lee promo making fun of Kaitlyn and a replay of the Mark Henry/Cena angle plus a Wyatt Family vignette lost 198,000 viewers to a show-low 2.59 quarter. Chris Jericho vs. Alberto del Rio gained 333,000 viewers. The post-match Jericho/Dolph Ziggler/Del Rio stuff and the reveal of the WWE video game cover at 9 p.m. gained 361,000 viewers to a 3.10. Ryback vs. Great Khali lost 217,000 viewers. The John Cena interview gained 235,000 viewers. Brodus Clay & Sweet T vs. Usos vs. Drew McIntyre & Jinder Mahal and Paul Heyman’s beginning of his interview gained 19,000 viewers. The Heyman/C.M. Punk segment gained 117,000 viewers at 10 p.m. to a show high 3.21 quarter. Punk vs. Darren Young and the post-match lost 598,000 viewers. Stephanie McMahon announcing the Money in the Bank participants, and backstage with Chris Jericho, Ryback and Vickie Guerrero and Punk and Heyman gained 136,000 viewers. The Orton vs. Bryan street fight gained 104,000 viewers, one of the lowest main event gains of the year, finishing at a 2.92 overrun.

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

gnfnrhead

Punk vs. Darren Young and the post-match lost 598,000 viewers.

Surely that should be the story? Bryan vs Orton gained from the previous segment but the above is what killed it.

Jason Todd

Maybe people are just tired of seeing Bryan v Orton?

SlickRic

Punk having a match after that long segment was lunacy.

and it being against Darren Young? who nobody gives a shít about? stupid too.

i'm sure WWE will panic now, but Bryan cannot be expected to move numbers in a couple of weeks. did Cena always move numbers? did Shawn?

rovert

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Surely that should be the story? Bryan vs Orton gained from the previous segment but the above is what killed it.

Nah you would expect the drop off after the top of the hour segment. People DO tend to turn back to the main event.

SlickRic wrote: »

Punk having a match after that long segment was lunacy.

and it being against Darren Young? who nobody gives a shít about? stupid too.

i'm sure WWE will panic now, but Bryan cannot be expected to move numbers in a couple of weeks. did Cena always move numbers? did Shawn?

If could be used as evidence against Bryan by those who don't see money in him.

Looper007

Jason Todd wrote: »

Maybe people are just tired of seeing Bryan v Orton?

Their loss as it was one of the best matches of the year.

Punk and Cena don't exactly bring in ratings either, that's why they bring back the Rock the last few years. Plus that Hockey final was on Monday too. I don't why people always bring up ratings Punk wasn't a big ratings puller during his reign.

Handsome Bob

Well, I'll probably come off as a fanboy saying this but I'd put it down to Orton moreso than Bryan. They have been doing a half assed job on Orton for a very long time, with no real compelling storytelling.

Just taking his two last storylines as an example, one where he played mediator between Sheamus and Show, AND then mediator again between Bryan and Kane, it's clear to see that the character of Orton is aimless.

I love Bryan, but even I had no interest in watching him face Orton. It's especially embarrassing that they have Bryan going over the top in his elation of beating Orton because to put it bluntly, Orton is a scalp not worth gloating over these days.

SlickRic

the problem is they probably see Orton as somewhat untouchable.

he will not be blamed, just like Cena wouldn't be blamed for a bad quarter, and at this stage, Punk won't be blamed.

it's just how it is.

Bryan is the most likely to be blamed, if WWE are looking to assign blame to any particular person.

Looper007

Handsome Bob wrote: »

Well, I'll probably come off as a fanboy saying this but I'd put it down to Orton moreso than Bryan. They have been doing a half assed job on Orton for a very long time, with no real compelling storytelling.

Just taking his two last storylines as an example, one where he played mediator between Sheamus and Show, AND then mediator again between Bryan and Kane, it's clear to see that the character of Orton is aimless.

I love Bryan, but even I had no interest in watching him face Orton. It's especially embarrassing that they have Bryan going over the top in his elation of beating Orton because to put it bluntly, Orton is a scalp not worth gloating over these days.

Their match on Raw was excellent and woke up a dead crowd. I like the Orton/Bryan matches. Punk hasn't beaten Orton in a singles match and When was the last time Orton tapped out to lose a match. Beating Orton is a big deal seen as he's Vince's pet project. Don't be too sniffy Orton's still a big scalp seen as he's one of the only Babyfaces still hot with the crowd.

Looper007

SlickRic wrote: »

the problem is they probably see Orton as somewhat untouchable.

he will not be blamed, just like Cena wouldn't be blamed for a bad quarter, and at this stage, Punk won't be blamed.

it's just how it is.

Bryan is the most likely to be blamed, if WWE are looking to assign blame to any particular person.

NHL final was on the Monday, it's like the Champion's League of Ice Hockey. I'm not surprised Raw drew little ratings. Punk wasn't exactly a ratings drawer during his title reign but the fans still loved him.

Bryan is WWE best performer by a mile and is over with the crowd. Give it time for god sake.

Rjd2

SlickRic wrote: »

the problem is they probably see Orton as somewhat untouchable.

he will not be blamed, just like Cena wouldn't be blamed for a bad quarter, and at this stage, Punk won't be blamed.

it's just how it is.

Bryan is the most likely to be blamed, if WWE are looking to assign blame to any particular person.

Don't believe orton is unotuchable anymore, he has failed wellness tests, done **** all for SD ratings and he has jobbed a little more than most. Guy is a star but I don't believe he will be escaping unscathed if they are on a rage after those ratings.


Anyways the Torch broke down the quarters compared to the rest of the show


http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_71547.shtml#.UcxwuPnrzK8

PWTorch has received quarter-hour TV ratings and minute-by-minute ratings for the Monday, June 24 WWE Raw episode. Details below are for the males 18-49 demographic, which covers the widest range of Raw's key demos. All references below are for the m18-49 demo to avoid redundancy.

- Hourly Break Down: 1.75 first hour rating, 1.89 second hour rating, 1.83 third hour rating, and only a 1.84 over-run rating for the conclusion of Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton against the fall-out from the Stanley Cup Finals ending.

- Peak Ratings: 2.01 rating in Q5 for the conclusion of Chris Jericho vs. Alberto Del Rio and 2.01 rating in Q9 for the conclusion of C.M. Punk and Paul Heyman's verbal exchange.

- Key Comparison: John Cena's promo in the second-half of Q7 scored a 1.89 rating. Mark Henry's promo in the second-half of Q11 scored a 1.90 rating. However, peak viewership in Q11 was for Stephanie McMahon announcing the WWE Title Money in the Bank participants prior to a commercial that led to Henry's speech.

- Peak Audience: The most viewers during Raw was 1.464 million viewers at 9:01 p.m. when Jericho vs. Del Rio was heating up. The next most-watched minute of the show was 1.433 million viewers at 9:14 p.m. for the "WWE 2K14" video game cover reveal.

During the third hour, Raw only hit the 1.4 million mark during Q9. Peak viewership was 1.425 million viewers at 10:03 p.m. for Punk-Heyman.

- Bryan vs. Orton comparison: Q1 jumped out to a strong 1.82 rating for Take One on the Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton rubber match. Peak viewership was 1.367 million viewers at 8:06 p.m. when the match heated up.

However, Take Two in Q12 only scored a 1.65 rating against the conclusion of the Stanley Cup before the over-run scored a 1.84 rating. Peak viewership for the match was 1.195 million viewers at 11:08 when Bryan made Orton tap out. Raw then went off the air with 1.112 million viewers at 11:10 p.m.

Raw Flow Highlights

Q1: Raw scored a 1.82 rating for Take One on Bryan-Orton.

Q2: Raw slipped to a 1.74 rating for Sheamus & Christian vs. Rhodes Scholars and Kaitlyn vs. Aksana.

Q3: Raw hit a show-low 1.63 rating for videos, non-action segments, and two commercial breaks.

Q4: Raw rebounded to a 1.82 rating for the first-half of Del Rio vs. Jericho.

H2 - Q5: Raw increased to a 2.01 rating for the conclusion of Del Rio vs. Jericho, which included peak viewership of the night, and the video game cover reveal.

Q6: Raw dropped to a 1.76 rating for Ryback vs. Great Khali.

Q7: Raw jumped back to a 1.89 rating for John Cena's speech.

Q8: Raw stayed at a 1.89 rating for the first-half of C.M. Punk and Paul Heyman's promo exchange.

H3 - Q9: Raw jumped to a 2.01 rating for the second-half of Punk-Heyman. This was peak viewership of the third hour.

Q10: Raw dropped to a 1.75 rating for Punk wrestling Darren Young. However, the audience grew throughout the match and there was a very long commercial break at the end of the quarter-hour.

Q11: Raw rebounded to a 1.90 rating for the WWE Title MITB match announcement and Mark Henry's speech.

Q12: Raw dropped to a near-show-low 1.65 rating for the first-half of Orton vs. Bryan against the Stanley Cup conclusion.

OVER: Raw finished with a 1.84 rating for the conclusion of Orton-Bryan. (Last Five Weeks of Raw over-runs: 1.92, 1.93, 1.88, 2.14, and 1.84 this week.)

Break Down: Orton-Bryan cut to commercial at 10:54 p.m. with 1.130 million viewers. Raw returned at 10:58 with 1.041 million viewers. Raw re-built to 1.104 million viewers at 11:00 p.m., then went 1.120 million, 1.116 million, 1.135 million, 1.148 million, 1.162 million, 1.192 million, 1.181 million, and peak viewership of 1.195 million viewers at 11:08 p.m. when the match concluded.

Caldwell's Analysis: Studying the minute-by-minutes the last several weeks, there is a consistent pattern that longer matches do build an audience over time, as opposed to turning viewers away. It points to wrestling viewers wanting to invest in a match if the promotion makes that match feel important and worth their investment. Even though Orton-Bryan delivered a weak over-run rating, the audience grow over time as viewers returned to Raw following the conclusion of the Stanley Cup game (or other programming that ended at 11:00 p.m.).

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Trent Baretta blowing the lid off Nattie and Tyson's wedding:
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