CI Board possibly to vote again on McQuaid?

Beasty

I have become aware of information that casts some doubt on the decision taken by the Board two weeks ago to nominate Pat McQuaid for re-election as President of the UCI. Basically it appears that it may not have been a validly constituted Board meeting. I am not in a position to go into any more detail at this stage.

I understand the Board are meeting again tomorroiw evening and it is probably within their powers to re-take the decision in line with the one announced after the last meeting.

I have no idea whether this topic will be discusssed tomorrow, but this may be another opportunity to make your feelings known to the Board ahead of that meeting and I would encourage you to do so (whatever those views are).

My personal view remains that I think the Board should call an EGM and give the membership a say on what is a critical decision for cycling. I am also aware that my own club has been approached with a view to requisitioning an EGM, and again if you feel strongly about this issue now is the time to make your feelings known to your own committees if you have not already done so

Junior

Morana already posted this on twitter dude, I've linked to it in the other thread.

CramCycle

Junior wrote: »

Morana already posted this on twitter dude, I've linked to it in the other thread.

This is to highlight the fact that there is another vote tomorrow, rather than have it lost at the end of the other thread.

Junior

CramCycle wrote: »

This is to highlight the fact that there is another vote tomorrow, rather than have it lost at the end of the other thread.

Is this not an ecumenical matter Ted ?

buffalo

I don't know whether to pen an earnest plea like the last time (which was apparently completely ignored), or a cantankerous complaint that they're all* a bunch of self-serving, short-sighted oligarchs.

*with one notable exception

petethedrummer

While I would not be in favour of Pat being UCI president again. Who is the likely successor? Is it the Kazakhstani chap who the velocast boys seem highly suspicious of?

I'm worried writing this, that I may end up with my feet in concrete at the bottom of the Broadmeadow Estuary.

Beasty

buffalo wrote: »

*with one notable exception

There are only 7 members of the Board to write to now so you don't need to make any exceptions

Beasty

petethedrummer wrote: »

While I would not be in favour of Pat being UCI president again. Who is the likely successor? Is it the Kazakhstani chap who the velocast boys seem highly suspicious of?

There are others who may be prepared to put their hats in the ring if they know they don't have the Asian, African and Latin American votes already loaded against them

petethedrummer

Beasty wrote: »

There are others who may be prepared to put their hats in the ring if they know they don't have the Asian, African and Latin American votes already loaded against them

Fair enough. Though I imagine his anointed successor will have those sewn up with a few phone calls and promises.

For cycling to go through the necessary changes I think it needs either a breakaway league prompted by the Professional Teams or a continuation of the negative PR it is getting from the media and fans for years to come.

The current board of the UCI are probably not in the slightest bit concerned with the Change Cycling Now initiative, as its a whole load of well meaning bluster. CCN will will lose the will to fight when immediate change is not forthcoming. The UCI board will just stay obstinate and impenetrable and win the long game, like most bureaucrats do.

Changing the head probably won't do much in the short term for the state of cycling. And people shouldn't expect much from it. But as part of a long term campaign against the UCI I'm all for it.

Death by 1000 papercuts.

petethedrummer

So it's gonna be unanimous this time?

thebionicdude

I have just written to the board too.

RobFowl

petethedrummer wrote: »

So it's gonna be unanimous this time?

Well 5:1:1 last time (one against one abstention) and if there is a better lobby this time opinions may change?

Personally I want an EGM and if that chooses Pat McQuaid then I'll be full square behind the decision.

Dermot Illogical

I sent a mail to everyone listed as a board member on the CI site. I'm not sure if that list is up-to-date, but it's all I really have to go on.

Beasty

Dermot Illogical wrote: »

I sent a mail to everyone listed as a board member on the CI site. I'm not sure if that list is up-to-date, but it's all I really have to go on.

Yep, it's a bit behind the times unfortunately - they still have that Moran fella listed as a Vice President

happytramp

I wonder if Morana has access to the CI members e-mail database? Might be a bit late but perhaps a petition e-mailed to each of them with a simple yes/no option would be a decent way present the members views without the difficulties of an EGM.

Beasty

happytramp wrote: »

I wonder if Morana has access to the CI members e-mail database? Might be a bit late but perhaps a petition e-mailed to each of them with a simple yes/no option would be a decent way present the members views without the difficulties of an EGM.

I hope he no longer has access as that would raise major data protection issues, as would spamming a message (regardless of underlying motives) to the membership

happytramp

Beasty wrote: »

I hope he no longer has access as that would raise major data protection issues, as would spamming a message (regardless of underlying motives) to the membership

Yeah I thought so, I'm just getting desperate. Pity Pat doesn't share your scruples

fixie fox

happytramp wrote: »

Yeah I thought so, I'm just getting desperate. Pity Pat doesn't share your scruples

It's not just scruples - it's the law too.

bbolger

Dermot Illogical wrote: »

I sent a mail to everyone listed as a board member on the CI site. I'm not sure if that list is up-to-date, but it's all I really have to go on.

+1

I've sent individual ones to each board member so hopefully that counts as more than one email.

Be interested to see if there's any acknowledgement/reply.

B

BofaDeezNuhtz

buffalo wrote: »

they're all* a bunch of self-serving, short-sighted oligarchs.

*with one notable exception

If this board of 7 is made up of members of various local clubs then shouldnt
they be told from the club memberships not to vote him in? Or they wont get voted
from you's back in as board members whenever they are up for re-election?
Surely it isnt a lifetime position?
Or are they no longer associated with their original local club now?
The perks now and in the future of having a bloke you know as the head of a
world body such as the UCI is mighty tempting like...an incentive is needed
to counteract it.

Yis need to ascertain exactly how popular this feeling is.
Yis need an EGM called tbh.

At least setup an online petition free and a facebook campaign etc.

ROK ON

Decisions made at a dubiously constituted board meeting!

Do these guys have even the remotest clue as to what is implied by governance?
Are they aware as to what their duties as directors are in law?

What a farce.

Plastik

Ok, so I emailed again to voice my displeasure. Do I expect a different outcome? Not really. But at least I got my oar in on both occasions.

Chips Lovell

Here's a prime example of why we need change at the top:

One can only assume that their refusal to cooperate with the Independent Commission was due to their fear that their own shortcomings would be exposed. After all, USADA and WADA also tested Armstrong over many years and also failed to catch him. It was only with the benefit of the US Federal Investigation that USADA was finally able to gain evidence of Armstrong’s doping

This is pure dissimulation. Wada and Usada are on record on why they felt they couldn't support the Independent Commission.

Either McQuaid is signing off on statements like this or he isn't in control of his people. Either way, it's not good.

The UCI seems more interested in going to war with other agencies than trying to clean up the sport.

Beasty

Guys we finally have some momentum here. A number of clubs have already petitioned for an EGM over the past 24 hours with more going through the process. If you feel strongly get in touch with your club coimmittees and ask them whether they are prepared to support it also. The more that do so, the less basis the Board have for ignoring the clear wishes of the membership

buffalo

If you're in Orwell, there's a handy way to get your voice heard over at http://www.orwellwheelers.org/forum/8-miscellaneous-club-chatter/4014-action-needed-pat-mcquaid-yes-or-no.html - follow the instructions and email the club secretary.

He wants the gauge the general consensus of the club. If you're a paid up member, but don't have forum access, PM me.

ashleey

We have received the email at our club and have a committee meeting Monday to discuss and hopefully, in my opinion approve the call for an egm. Would it be better to call for the egm before tonight's CI meeting though? I emailed morana last time and got a personal response and am impressed by his principled resignation. Hopefully, an egm can be called and then if PMQ is endorsed then we can't winge. Yesterday's news from Tygart doesn't put him in a great light though.

Beasty

buffalo wrote: »

If you're a paid up member

Where do I pay? Don't have to buy the jersey do I?:pac:

Beasty

ashleey wrote: »

We have received the email at our club and have a committee meeting Monday to discuss and hopefully, in my opinion approve the call for an egm. Would it be better to call for the egm before tonight's CI meeting though? I emailed morana last time and got a personal response and am impressed by his principled resignation. Hopefully, an egm can be called and then if PMQ is endorsed then we can't winge. Yesterday's news from Tygart doesn't put him in a great light though.

A request has to be signed by the Club Charman and Secretary. I do not anticipate many will have all the formalities observed ahead of the Board meeting today, but some clubs are simply indicating support with the paperwork to follow.

Obviously the sooner formal requests go in the better, but I certainly would not want that to be at the expense of proper corporate governance being observed within the clubs

ashleey

Thanks. We had a meeting scheduled anyway. I'm going to email CI in a personal capacity again and have suggested that we do a quick email/ text survey of our members over the weekend. Our committee decision would be binding regardless but this is becoming a major issue of democracy and procedure. The call for an EGM needs to be watertight I reckon?

irishpeloton

More details here http://www.irishpeloton.com/2013/04/cycling-ireland-egm-act-now/

Like Beasty said, this IS gathering momentum, members need to act.

Cond0r

I've mailed the board on the topic (again).

nilhg

Not sure how much good it'll do but I emailed the CI board again asking for an EGM.


Hope they get more than 14 this time.

ednwireland

mailed the board again i did after the usada report came out (thanked from anto - well he is still listed as a board member)

resdubwhite

drafting email to board now. As a non attached license holder is there anyway to petition a club or does one just join up?

ROK ON

I have mailed my club sec and the board of CI.

To my mind there are two issues that cast serious doubt of the role of governance at CI and undermine the credibility of the board:
(1) the board has no support on this issue. People are either apathetic on the issue or passionatley against PMcQ getting the CI nomination. Thus for the board to vote in favour I believe that they need to prove they are a ting in members best interests.
(2) the fact that such an important and fractious issue was heard at a board meeting that may have been dubiously constituted is IMHO a direct breach of board and directors legal responsibilities. It is a resignation issue in my view.

Daithi BC

I've just emailed all remaining board members in a personal capacity. I'll try to get the club committee together next week to see if they want to put in a request for an EGM from the club.

ashleey

I emailed all members of the board this morning and got a reply already! (well, it was from morana) Let's hope the others are equally as principled

Beasty

resdubwhite wrote: »

drafting email to board now. As a non attached license holder is there anyway to petition a club or does one just join up?

Alas only clubs get to petition an EGM and vote on these matters. However your views as an individual member count as much as anyone else's (well apart from the Board that is, who seem to think their views are much more important than anyone else's - as witnessed by their 5 votes + 1 member being more important than 1 Board member and 23 ordinary members!). The most important thing is to e-mail each Board member with your views

detones

So individual Mail sent to all the members of the Board. I use to work with one of the Directors years ago. He was a sound guy.

RobFowl

Just to let you know there are a large number of clubs signed up calling for an EGM as of now. More are needed and as Beasty says it's clubs rather than individuals who can call for an EGM.
There is a deadline of 5 today (initially anyway) so the more who can mobilise their club, the faster the better.

detones

Cillian Kelly who does the Eurosport Velocast Podcasts has a good campaign going over the past couple of days to get people to act. He's on twitter @Irishpeloton and has quite a few followers.

Plastik

Can you tell us how many are a large number, and how many are needed roughly?

mossym

unaffiliated member here, so email sent to all board members, much as i can do, but at least it's done.

RobFowl

Plastik wrote: »

Can you tell us how many are a large number, and how many are needed roughly?

Need 30-40 clubs depending on the size of the club and are close to 30

Beasty

Some clubs will simply not wish to be rushed on this, which is very understandable. The more that indicate support by 5pm the better, but even if that is not possible a quick e-mail to the Board indicating the club is considering whether to support a call for an EGM will help.

Beasty

detones wrote: »

Cillian Kelly who does the Eurosport Velocast Podcasts has a good campaign going over the past couple of days to get people to act. He's on twitter @Irishpeloton and has quite a few followers.

Website here - he's doing a cracking job contacting the clubs and is one of the main guys responsible for getting them onboard for calling an EGM

8kvscdpglqnyr4

Email sent to the CI boards members AGAIN!
I doubt it will make a difference ... I hope I'm wrong

Beasty

The more that support a call for an EGM (be it at club or personal level) the less they can ignore it. I know some people expressed disappointment that only 24 submissions had been made before the last "meeting", but I suspect that's more than they received on all issues over the previous 12 months.

They don't go out of their way to encourage feedback (morana being the obvious exception with his continual attempts to interact with the membership). It's a point that I have made to them on their request for feedback on CI structures - I would guess they will only get a handful of responses to that, partly because the website remains very user-unfriendly, but also because they make little effort to interact with the rank and file membership

lennymc

just noticed this cycling feedback form on the CI website

petethedrummer

Done. CI and Club.

irishpeloton

It's now being covered on cyclingnews (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/is-pat-mcquaids-future-in-doubt)

But we still need all members to contact their clubs as well as the board. Every email will make a difference.