Rider attacked on camera

Mycroft H

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JepRJC1DVCM

Wow. Does having a helmet cam encourage this sort of thing?

Driver is getting rightfully getting a bollocking on his work facebook page. No charges though. If it had happened to me I would have put the hammer down and cycled to the nearest Garda Station.

AstraMonti

BX 19 wrote: »

If it had happened to me I would have put the hammer down and cycled to the nearest Garda Station.

If you read in the comments he went to the police and nothing happened, the driver received a "caution". What a joke.

Captain Havoc

BX 19 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehqBtcjOIc8

Wow. Does having a helmet cam encourage this sort of thing?

Driver is getting rightfully getting a bollocking on his work facebook page. No charges though. If it had happened to me I would have put the hammer down and cycled to the nearest Garda Station.

Not anymore, seems to be taken down.

Darkglasses

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Not anymore, seems to be taken down.

Embedding has been disabled, you can still see it on the main youtube site - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehqBtcjOIc8&feature=player_embedded

Captain Havoc

Darkglasses wrote: »

Embedding has been disabled, you can still see it on the main youtube site - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehqBtcjOIc8&feature=player_embedded

Sorry, I meant the facebook and twitter pages.

Darkglasses

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Sorry, I meant the facebook and twitter pages.

Ah, indeed. I couldn't find it either, I wanted to give them some feedback myself.

RobertFoster

Their contact form is no longer taking submissions either. Seems to be step one in internet justice, spam contact forms, twitter and facebook.

Looking at the video, was he stopping before the AirZound was pressed, or as a reaction to it?

Zyzz

That is assault no?

doozerie

BX 19 wrote: »

Wow. Does having a helmet cam encourage this sort of thing?

I'd guess that for some people a helmet cam would be like a red rag to a bull and would fuel their aggression further, and for others it might make them stop and think before swinging for the person wearing the helmet cam. You're into the realm of thugs and headcases when talking about such people though so the likely behaviour is unpredictable at best.

In that particular clip that you posted I get the impression that the attacker may have backed off because he spotted the camera. He had no qualms about launching the initial attack and that level of aggression seems at odds with him seeming to rush away. Maybe it was nothing to do with the camera of course, maybe he just realised the severity and stupidity of what he had done, but that would require some kind of conscious and common sense and I don't think he deserves the benefit of the doubt over whether he has either. It's shocking that no action was taken against him.

CramCycle

The van driver was a d*ck, the AirZound seemed to have triggered him stopping though, his blinkers and brakes don't come on until the airZound is sounded.

Mycroft H

CramCycle wrote: »

The van driver was a d*ck, the AirZound seemed to have triggered him stopping though, his blinkers and brakes don't come on until the airZound is sounded.

I'm kinda thinking the same thing. The Airzound is a trigger to that certain type of driver. I wonder if he had not had sounded it would he have stopped? Discretion is the better part of valour? But I suppose you can't really predict that sort of driver on the road.

Like I'm in no way excusing the drivers behaviour, I'd had done the same in the same situation. But just a thought......

Mycroft H

Zyzz wrote: »

That is assault no?

It's Battery and Assault in UK law. (Not sure if they've done away with battery in a UK context)

aSligoDub

Couldnt find a thread on this..

http://www.joe.ie/news-politics/world-affairs/video-van-driver-attacks-cyclist-in-the-middle-of-the-road-0036871-1

I rang the company mentioned at the end of the piece for comment and was told to "fúck off".. Not nice for (according to their website) a friendly and family orientated store.

Fair play to the rider not lowering himself to the aggressors level, dont know if i would have the same composure..

endacl

aSligoDub wrote: »

Couldnt find a thread on this..

http://www.joe.ie/news-politics/world-affairs/video-van-driver-attacks-cyclist-in-the-middle-of-the-road-0036871-1

I rang the company mentioned at the end of the piece for comment and was told to "fúck off".. Not nice for (according to their website) a friendly and family orientated store.

Fair play to the rider not lowering himself to the aggressors level, dont know if i would have the same composure..

I certainly wouldn't. Video evidence would have had me arrested. What a tosser. Particularly liked the 'short fat bloke trying to look like a big bloke' march back to the van. As a big bloke, that march always draws a giggle...

Captain Havoc

I've moved all the posts in relation to this from the Campervan to here.

Surveyor11

endacl wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't. Video evidence would have had me arrested. What a tosser. Particularly liked the 'short fat bloke trying to look like a bike bloke' march back to the van. As a big bloke, that march always draws a giggle...

No way I'd take that, would have popped one back at porky

The Big Lebowsky

Had a similar incident myself while cycling a couple of years ago...a guy cut me up on a roundabout, so I gave him the finger ....He pulled his car into the side of the road and jumped out into my path and confronted me, obviously intent on teaching me a lesson ...

Now I wouldn't be an advocate of violence, but if some hot head approaches me in an aggressive manner obviously intent on causing me harm, I am entitled to defend myself. Long story short- I gave him a pretty good hiding...While he was on the ground crying in agony, I removed the keys from the ignition of his car...and threw them over the ditch...:D

The perception of the average Joe scumbag is, any grown man riding a bicycle who is wearing lycra shorts is a big girls blouse , and therefore lightly to be a soft target. If I were riding a large black motorcycle, wearing scruffy jeans, boots, and the regulation black leather jacket...I'm convinced this guy would have thought twice before having a go.

letape

That's a very sobering video to watch. The driver really needs to be brought to justice.

After initially getting out if the car he then chased after the cyclist - a cyclist in cycling shoes can hardly stand upright and is always an easy target for scumb**s like that.

JustAThought

Really shocked by this - & coincidentally have just been reading a thread where a woman doing fogey illegal parking ran over a cyclists foot - twice - and again no interest from the guards .
You hear of people with multiple previous convictions & assaults up in the courts & you wonder how it could happen. So long as the wired & wonderful ltd's are let get away with this by the guards we will continue to have our rehabs littered with people with brain injuries & our hospitals filled at weekends with serious injuries. They claim they are remorseful when they are caught . This vicious violent flabby Waste of space gives every impression that he is not a man unused to violence. Had he caught the cyclist with the flung open door he would have seriously damaged him - not to mention tailgating him in a car & then getting out of the car to try. & smash his face in. And all on camera & him later lying in the station to try & get off.

So long as the police refuse to prosecute and take these random attacks seriously we will continue to have maimed. & seriously injured innocent victims. Had he hit him with the van he would have no doubt said that was an " accident" . Disgusting low life scum .

smacl

The Big Lebowsky wrote: »

Now I wouldn't be an advocate of violence...

You wouldn't think so from the rest of your paragraph. Unless you're accustomed to violence, know your abilities, and are willing to accept the physical and possible legal consequences regardless of the outcome, getting into a fight on the side of the road is plain dumb.

Not cool, Dude!

adamski8

I dont see why the cyclist used his horn in the first place?

Also how could he not out pedal the small fat bloke!

JustAThought

adamski8 wrote: »

I dont see why the cyclist used his horn in the first place?

Also how could he not out pedal the small fat bloke!

Small fat guy was following him in a white van , breaking & throwing the door wide open in front of the cyclist to force him to stop of swerve into oncoming traffic.

Horn - basic precaution -instructions in in rules of road on how to use.

adamski8

I thought the driver only stopped after he used his horn? How do you know he was following him before that?

hardCopy

adamski8 wrote: »

I thought the driver only stopped after he used his horn? How do you know he was following him before that?

You can see the white van when he looks over his shoulder. Van overtakes, presumably too close for cyclist's liking, cyclists sounds horn, van stops in the road and swings his door out.

adamski8

hardCopy wrote: »

You can see the white van when he looks over his shoulder. Van overtakes, presumably too close for cyclist's liking, cyclists sounds horn, van stops in the road and swings his door out.

Thats the only thing i could think of. Cyclist a bit horn happy imo.

Diarmuid

adamski8 wrote: »

Thats the only thing i could think of. Cyclist a bit horn happy imo.

"She was asking for it"

Surveyor11

Diarmuid wrote: »

She was asking for it

??

REXER

Does no one see that the cyclist first gets in the way of the driver trying to parallel park and then pulls out in front of the van driver???:rolleyes:

hardCopy

Surveyor11 wrote: »

??

Victim blaming

smacl

Surveyor11 wrote: »

??

That kind of warped humour, where if you have to explain it, you're just digging yourself deeper.

REXER

The video clearly shows that reckless behavior is what started the whole incident. The victim here was the van driver that had a muppet taking risky chances passing him on the left and then pulling out in front of him without any concideration for his own safety or the van drivers safety!

blahblah06

So you think he did the right thing by opening his door and nearly knocking him off the bike then chasing him and punching him off his bike?
Your some chap

listermint

blahblah06 wrote: »

So you think he did the right thing by opening his door and nearly knocking him off the bike then chasing him and punching him off his bike?
Your some chap

He is clearly trolling you..

REXER

I never said that at all. Afterall 2 wrongs don't make a right but the cyclist doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Unless the cycling community starts to address the issues of their own outragious behavior on the roads this sort of thing will only carry on escalating.

There needs to be give and take on both sides.

In this case both of them should have been prosecuted for their conduct on the road!

hardCopy

REXER wrote: »

I never said that at all. Afterall 2 wrongs don't make a right but the cyclist doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Unless the cycling community starts to address the issues of their own outragious behavior on the roads this sort of thing will only carry on escalating.

There needs to be give and take on both sides.

In this case both of them should have been prosecuted for their conduct on the road!

Easily the stupidest post I've read this morning, I wonder if the rest of the day can top it.

Surveyor11

REXER wrote: »

I never said that at all. Afterall 2 wrongs don't make a right but the cyclist doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Unless the cycling community starts to address the issues of their own outragious behavior on the roads this sort of thing will only carry on escalating.

There needs to be give and take on both sides.

In this case both of them should have been prosecuted for their conduct on the road!

Just so we're on the same page - a cyclist you see acts as a 'muppet' and gets a beating at the side of the road for so called muppetry, afterwards the driver escapes punishment. Can you maybe expand that one out a little?

fat bloke

Anyone else see the irony in the van driver being in such a tremendous hurry to overtake the cyclist to get wherever he was going, then having all the time in the world to stop twice, u-turn once and get out of his car to run after the cyclist.

zenno

If i was driving by and seen that, i would have stopped, got out of my car and kicked fat boy up the road. That driver was bang out of order. Too many drivers are in too much of a rush these days and cause these problems for themselves.

Lumen

zenno wrote: »

If i was driving by and seen that, i would have stopped, got out of my car and kicked fat boy up the road. That driver was bang out of order. Too many drivers are in too much of a rush these days and cause these problems for themselves.

Then the next person sees you stop, kick some poor fat bloke up the road, and lays into you for bullying.

And then...zombie apocalypse.

zenno

Lumen wrote: »

Then the next person sees you stop, kick some poor fat bloke up the road, and lays into you for bullying.

And then...zombie apocalypse.

I'd doubt very much that would happen.

aSligoDub

zenno wrote: »

If i was driving by and seen that, i would have stopped, got out of my car and kicked fat boy up the road. That driver was bang out of order. Too many drivers are in too much of a rush these days and cause these problems for themselves.

But you're saying what the van driver is doing is wrong..

So another boardsie sees you kicking a small fat bully up the road, and gets out of his car and kicks you up the road.. This could go on..

zenno

aSligoDub wrote: »

But you're saying what the van driver is doing is wrong..

So another boardsie sees you kicking a small fat bully up the road, and gets out of his car and kicks you up the road.. This could go on..

I suppose it's possible, but i'd stick my knuckles in either way because fat guy was totally out of order. Most people would never get involved, but like you say it could turn nasty alright.

Nothing wrong with giving a helping hand.

manwithaplan

zenno wrote: »

I'd doubt very much that would happen.

But the zombie apocalypse is perfectly plausible?

While there is a lot to be said for a massive horn and a camera, I don't think they improve your overall safety.

REXER

Surveyor11 wrote: »

Just so we're on the same page - a cyclist you see acts as a 'muppet' and gets a beating at the side of the road for so called muppetry, afterwards the driver escapes punishment. Can you maybe expand that one out a little?

:eek:Did you somehow in your outrage miss where I said that they should both have been prosecuted???

The rule of the road aply to both parties in this case, not just the van driver. The van driver should have been done for road rage and assault.

The cyclist should have been done for reckless/careless driving.

Both parties were at fault!

You have a good day now and be careful out there!

aSligoDub

zenno wrote: »

Nothing wrong with giving a helping hand.

Agreed, i've broken up many a fight..
But lowering yourself to a scumbags way will just have you regretting your actions. Or maybe not, depends on your own non adrenaline fuelled attitude.

RoboRat

Why cant I meet people like that van driver when I am out cycling... I would get to do both my favourite sports at once!

aSligoDub

RoboRat wrote: »

Why cant I meet people like that van driver when I am out cycling... I would get to do both my favourite sports at once!

What are they?

smacl

zenno wrote: »

I suppose it's possible, but i'd stick my knuckles in either way because fat guy was totally out of order. Most people would never get involved, but like you say it could turn nasty alright.

Nothing wrong with giving a helping hand.

Restraining the guy and calling the cops is giving a helping hand. Sticking your knuckles in is just joining in with the fun.

Lumen

manwithaplan wrote: »

While there is a lot to be said for a massive horn and a camera, I don't think they improve your overall safety.

There's a type, exemplified by a dude who cycles on my commute.

He rides a MTB with underinflated tyres. He wears TWO layers of hi-vis. The bottom layer is a sleeved jacket, on top of which he wears a backpack, and then there's a hi-vis vest over the backpack. The vest won't fasten, so flaps in the wind.

On his head is a pisspot helmet with an LED zip-tied to the back. The zip-tie is not trimmed, so there's a big sprouty tail sticking out the side. At the front is a helmet cam.

Now one might think this all says "I AM VERY SERIOUS ABOUT SAFETY". But he cycles merrily through every single red light, his pedalling style graceless and overwrought.

He passes cars on the left, which is now perfectly legal, but if they even shift their road position slightly in the flow of traffic to encroach on "his" space he gets sort of angsty and shouty, like they're deliberately out to kill him. I frequently see him arguing with people through their side windows.

This is exactly the same daily commute that I have cycled in a calm and relaxed fashion for about four years.

These people look stupid, they take risks that far exceed their skills, they have no ability to anticipate or plan, no respect and no empathy, and they merrily break whatever rules they choose to while holding drivers to a far higher standard.

Total ****.

RoboRat

What are they?

MMA & Cycling

RoboRat

These people look stupid, they take risks that far exceed their skills, they have no ability to anticipate or plan, no respect and no empathy, and they merrily break whatever rules they choose to while holding drivers to a far higher standard.

Total ****.

Agreed, there are plenty of arsehole cyclists out there and they make it bad for all of us.