Progessive Ireland

kingsenny

Something to be proud of:

Ireland is on the verge of two landmark bills: same-sex marriage and legalised abortion.

Could we possibly see a legalised marijuana bill in the near future?

Zebra3

Limited legalised abortion already exists here.

smash

kingsenny wrote: »

Something to be proud of:

Ireland is on the verge of two landmark bills: same-sex marriage and legalised abortion.

Could we possibly see a legalised marijuana bill in the near future?

Because legalised marijuana is as important as same-sex marriage or abortion issues?

WoollyRedHat

Even if both those issues came to light, I still wouldn't call it progressive... it has a long way to go before that happens, and the current parties that we have in power won't do much to accelerate it.

kingtiger

smash wrote: »

Because legalised marijuana is as important as same-sex marriage or abortion issues?

maybe not to you

but to some people I am sure it matters a great deal

Links234

kingsenny wrote: »

Something to be proud of:

Ireland is on the verge of two landmark bills: same-sex marriage and legalised abortion.

Could we possibly see a legalised marijuana bill in the near future?

if by "on the verge" you mean consecutive governments will drag their feet for an indeterminate amount of time, then yes, I suppose we are. legalized marijuana would be just around the corner then, if you define corner as next century.

Rented Mule

smash wrote: »

Because legalised marijuana is as important as same-sex marriage or abortion issues?

Why wouldn't it be if you were a straight male who enjoys his civil liberties ?

Death and Taxes

kingsenny wrote: »

Something to be proud of:

Ireland is on the verge of two landmark bills: same-sex marriage and legalised abortion.

Could we possibly see a legalised marijuana bill in the near future?

Hopefully not!

MugMugs

kingsenny wrote: »

Could we possibly see a legalised marijuana bill in the near future?

Wait long enough you could see Dolphins on roller blades. Doesn't necessarily mean anybody wants that to happen though.

AnonoBoy

smash wrote: »

Because legalised marijuana is as important as same-sex marriage or abortion issues?

Nothing those anti-Catholic, pro-sodomites love more than getting hepped up on marijuana tablets after a long hard day of baby killing.

tdv123

I'm not much for the legalized marijuana bill. I'm more for the legalized opiates bill.

MMMMMMMMM Opium.

frank reynolds

Bend the rules to suit yourself.
Weed is illegal, but if you like to smoke it, then you will find a way.

abortion is illegal, but, if you dont want a child, go to the netherlands or england.

Same sex marriage is on the way to being legalised, which is just great in general. it proves that this country is on its way to being LESS backwards.

Links234

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Hopefully not!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0MOB_i_bYA

wandatowell

**** da weed bro

Seedy Arling

It's a bit of a frivolous jump from abortion and gay rights to puffing on a bit of weed.

Chuck Stone

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Hopefully not!

.. said the drug dealers.

Yamanoto

We're inexorably moving toward adopting similar legislation to the Swedes, which seeks to criminalise men for the purchase of sex, even where that transaction is entered into freely by both parties.

That's not progressive to my mind, it's John-Charles McQuaid revisited. It's also odd to find Trade Unions and others on the left pushing such an agenda - especially so, as it was they who traditionally decried the pernicious influence of the Church in the formulation of repressive social policy.

Legislating for X and same-sex marriage are to be welcomed, but I don't think we should necessarily be handing out plaudits - we're simply doing what is right.

Iwasfrozen

Why is abortion and drugs considered progressive now?

Arcsin

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why is abortion and drugs considered progressive now?

Depends on who you ask I suppose. I'd say its representative of the demographic of this forum. You would get a different view on other forums.

smash

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why is abortion and drugs considered progressive now?

Well abortion certainly is considered progressive as frankly, it takes us a bit out of the Stone Age.

Iwasfrozen

smash wrote: »

Well abortion certainly is considered progressive as frankly, it takes us a bit out of the Stone Age.

Some issues transcend time. The value placed on human life is one of them.

Muscles From Brussels

smash wrote: »

Because legalised marijuana is as important as same-sex marriage or abortion issues?

Yeah it's more important to me. I'm not looking for an abortion or a gay marriage any time soon but I'd like a chance to decide what I put into my own body. I also don't get offended for other people. All of this probably sounds weird to you.

Iwasfrozen

Arcsin wrote: »

Depends on who you ask I suppose. I'd say its representative of the demographic of this forum. You would get a different view on other forums.

Yeah I guess everyone has different view of what progressive is. It's like the word good. Everyone has a different view of what "good" is.

Irish_wolf

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why is abortion and drugs considered progressive now?

Medical marijuana should be legal in my view. Especially for people with cancer, as they can get serious stomach problems during chemo. Weed helps with this as well as being a general relaxant.

Skunk and other strands of weed, I'm not so sure about. Unfortunately my family has a history of bowel cancer. If I get the cancer, I'd want the best drug for stomach and general discomfort with the least amount of side effects i.e. Weed, and I'd much rather pay a doctor to get prescribe me some, than give to some eejit who has no idea where his particular brand comes from, where the profits could be going towards organised crime.

So I guess progressive in the sense that we've moved passed the mindset of All Drugs Are Bad tm and into an age where we can see the benefits of such things. This is just my view of course and I may be biased given my possible future need of it.

smash

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Some issues transcend time. The value placed on human life is one of them.

Yawn...

Muscles From Brussels wrote: »

Yeah it's more important to me. I'm not looking for an abortion or a gay marriage any time soon but I'd like a chance to decide what I put into my own body. I also don't get offended for other people. All of this probably sounds weird to you.

I'm sure legal or not, you still put it into your body anyway.

Muscles From Brussels

smash wrote: »

I'm sure legal or not, you still put it into your body anyway.

What are you even talking about bro? It's laws we're discussing. Get out of here with that bullsit.

Iwasfrozen

smash wrote: »

Yawn....

lol, how eloquent.

summerskin

Muscles From Brussels wrote: »

What are you even talking about bro? It's laws we're discussing. Get out of here with that bullsit.

You used the word "bro".

Therefore your argument is invalid.

Iwasfrozen

Irish_wolf wrote: »

Medical marijuana should be legal in my view. Especially for people with cancer, as they can get serious stomach problems during chemo. Weed helps with this as well as being a general relaxant.

Skunk and other strands of weed, I'm not so sure about. Unfortunately my family has a history of bowel cancer. If I get the cancer, I'd want the best drug for stomach and general discomfort with the least amount of side effects i.e. Weed, and I'd much rather pay a doctor to get prescribe me some, than give to some eejit who has no idea where his particular brand comes from, where the profits could be going towards organised crime.

So I guess progressive in the sense that we've moved passed the mindset of All Drugs Are Bad tm and into an age where we can see the benefits of such things. This is just my view of course and I may be biased given my possible future need of it.

Of course marijuana should be legalised for medical reasons. We already have diamorphine *ahem heroine ahem* in hospitals.

Muscles From Brussels

summerskin wrote: »

You used the word "bro".

Therefore your argument is invalid.

Not that easy bro.

mikom

There will be progress when folks start referring to the plant as Cannabis and not that racist term dreamt up by politicians........ marijuana.

Legs.Eleven

I'm all for progress and would like to see the legalisation of all drugs but you can't put that in the same priority status as gay marriage and abortion.

Steve O

Encroaching on other people's way of life is one of the loveable traits of people in this country.

I'd love the conservative minded religious nutjobs to **** the hell off but I'm not going to force it by law. Allow others the same freedoms as long as it doesn't affect you.

Iwasfrozen

Steve O wrote: »

Encroaching on other people's way of life is one of the loveable traits of people in this country.

I'd love the conservative minded religious nutjobs to **** the hell off but I'm not going to force it by law. Allow others the same freedoms as long as it doesn't affect you.

The unborn babies I'm sure would agree.

Steve O

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The unborn babies I'm sure would agree.

Hmmm, you haven't thought that through have you?

SeanW

Yamanoto wrote: »

We're inexorably moving toward adopting similar legislation to the Swedes, which seeks to criminalise men for the purchase of sex, even where that transaction is entered into freely by both parties.

That's not progressive to my mind, it's John-Charles McQuaid revisited. It's also odd to find Trade Unions and others on the left pushing such an agenda - especially so, as it was they who traditionally decried the pernicious influence of the Church in the formulation of repressive social policy.

There's nothing odd about it. The "Swedish model" of vilifying only the "johns" as - in all cases - rapists and exploiters and very nasty people - is a central demand of the Feminist-Left. So the Leftists in the trade unions are happy to get into bed with the nuns that ran the Magdelane launderies because their ideology (on this matter) is identical.

BTW now that they've got Feminist textbook laws on prostitution in Sweden and such laws on the way likely elsewhere, the feminist left is moving on to porn.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/04/20134274739879996.html

Surprise surprise, the Catholic News Agency agrees that pornography is a serious problem, and agrees with the Feminist-Left ...

Radical feminism is as much of a threat to human freedom (especially for men) as radical religion.

af_thefragile

tdv123 wrote: »

I'm not much for the legalized marijuana bill. I'm more for the legalized opiates bill.

MMMMMMMMM Opium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpHDdCFF1Gw

Fighting Irish

smash wrote: »

Because legalised marijuana is as important as same-sex marriage or abortion issues?

yup

tdv123

Irish_wolf wrote: »

Medical marijuana should be legal in my view. Especially for people with cancer, as they can get serious stomach problems during chemo. Weed helps with this as well as being a general relaxant.

.

I don't like recreational use of the drug but I think it's crazy that it's not used for medical purposes if can really help someone & is the best option for their illness.

It's even more crazy when extremely addictive drugs like Xanax & Zopiclone are handed out like smarties in this country. And you can walk into any chemist in the country & buy products containing Codeine with little or no questions asked.

tdv123

af_thefragile wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpHDdCFF1Gw

My hero.

Steve O

SeanW wrote: »

There's nothing odd about it. The "Swedish model" of vilifying only the "johns" as - in all cases - rapists and exploiters and very nasty people - is a central demand of the Feminist-Left. So the Leftists in the trade unions are happy to get into bed with the nuns that ran the Magdelane launderies because their ideology (on this matter) is identical.

BTW now that they've got Feminist textbook laws on prostitution in Sweden and such laws on the way likely elsewhere, the feminist left is moving on to porn.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/04/20134274739879996.html

Surprise surprise, the Catholic News Agency agrees that pornography is a serious problem, and agrees with the Feminist-Left ...

Radical feminism is as much of a threat to human freedom (especially for men) as radical religion.

Radical feminism is a very much minority movement. The likes of Ivanna Bacik spouting incoherent laws is about as far as radical Feminism will go and it's a pity these minority fruitcakes are given a microphone to spout their man-hating bile, normal genuine feminists do not believe this crap.

Feminism is still needed in the likes of Saudi Arabia and other extremist Societies, however so-called radical feminists are too busy being offended at advertising campaigns and men's rights movements.

GTDolanator

af_thefragile wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpHDdCFF1Gw

That video is neither entertaining or relevent to the subject in anyway

Real Life

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Some issues transcend time. The value placed on human life is one of them.

If human life was really valued abortion would be legalised. think about it

Odysseus

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Of course marijuana should be legalised for medical reasons. We already have diamorphine *ahem heroine ahem* in hospitals.

Diamorphine cannot be prescribed here, sadly. A GP in the uk can prescribe it but it has no license here.

Unless there has been some change that I am totally unaware of?

Gott

Odysseus wrote: »

Diamorphine cannot be prescribed here, sadly. A GP in the uk can prescribe it but it has no license here.

Unless there has been some change that I am totally unaware of?

I'm not sure about diamorphine but the hospital where I work has cocaine for dental procedures.

Duggys Housemate

Steve O wrote: »

Radical feminism is a very much minority movement. The likes of Ivanna Bacik spouting incoherent laws is about as far as radical Feminism will go and it's a pity these minority fruitcakes are given a microphone to spout their man-hating bile, normal genuine feminists do not believe this crap.

Feminism is still needed in the likes of Saudi Arabia and other extremist Societies, however so-called radical feminists are too busy being offended at advertising campaigns and men's rights movements.

Banning porn and making prostitution illegal for clients is fairly mainstream in European feminism.

And in Ireland :

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/council-to-vote-on-banning-buying-sex-208619.html

Odysseus

Gott wrote: »

I'm not sure about diamorphine but the hospital where I work has cocaine for dental procedures.

Is it used? I think it can still be justified for certain eye ops, but I imagine it is used very very occasionally.

Have you any idea how often it is dispensed a year in that hospital?

I remember there wasmurber years ago when the red tops found out a client was travelling from the States to the UK once a month for amonths supply of amps of diamorphine and cocaine.

Gott

Steve O wrote: »

Radical feminism is a very much minority movement. The likes of Ivanna Bacik spouting incoherent laws is about as far as radical Feminism will go and it's a pity these minority fruitcakes are given a microphone to spout their man-hating bile, normal genuine feminists do not believe this crap.

Feminism is still needed in the likes of Saudi Arabia and other extremist Societies, however so-called radical feminists are too busy being offended at advertising campaigns and men's rights movements.

Don't forget those gosh darn video games - always oppressing women.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games

Gott

Odysseus wrote: »

Is it used? I think it can still be justified for certain eye ops, but I imagine it is used very very occasionally.

Have you any idea how often it is dispensed a year in that hospital?

I remember there wasmurber years ago when the red tops found out a client was travelling from the States to the UK once a month for amonths supply of amps of diamorphine and cocaine.

Ah very infrequently, I've only ever heard of it ordered twice in five years of working in the place.

Legs.Eleven

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Banning porn and making prostitution illegal for clients is fairly mainstream in European feminism.

And in Ireland :

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/council-to-vote-on-banning-buying-sex-208619.html

How does that prove it's mainstream? I don't know any women who call themselves Feminists who'd support either of these measures. Catherine Clancy is one of thousands. This article proves nothing. And where's the mention of banning of porn??

Galwayguy35

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I'm all for progress and would like to see the legalisation of all drugs but you can't put that in the same priority status as gay marriage and abortion.

All drugs?

Surely you don't include heroin and cocaine in that?