anyone training clients in Dublin parks?

thehamo

Hi folks. Looking to set up kettlbell classes in the local and surrounding areas. Ideally id like to keep classes small no more than 5-6 people so that each person can get a good bit of individual attention.

Anyways, dublin parks are charging 31 euro an hour for a permit to train groups in any area controlled by dcc thus putting the brakes on my plans straight away! Does anyone here train any clients or small groups in parks, if so ever been approaches by anyone asking for the permit etc? Any other ideas as to where I could train people?

Thanks in advance!

Dotcomdolly

I would have thought you'd get away with it in smaller parks that don't have staff - so not Marley, Bushy, Tymon etc but little ones like the one on Stanaway rd. D12.

thehamo

Dotcomdolly wrote: »

I would have thought you'd get away with it in smaller parks that don't have staff - so not Marley, Bushy, Tymon etc but little ones like the one on Stanaway rd. D12.

Thanks. Was thinking that alright but im over northside and most of the parks in the area are relatively large and manned parks. Have one green space available to me that could be used but would have to gauge interest to see if people would want to train there

Hanley

What's the potential like to cut a better deal with local sports clubs/schools to use their green space?

ferike1

This doesn't make sense to me...its a public park, why do you need a permit to train people? So a group of people training together in a park requires a permit now?

Hanley

ferike1 wrote: »

This doesn't make sense to me...its a public park, why do you need a permit to train people? So a group of people training together in a park requires a permit now?

If you're using public resources for personal financial gain, you should definitely have to pay.

The amount DCC seem to be looking for is bonkers, but there should definitely be a rate. I think a flat annual/monthly rate would be better, the hourly rate is just too high to make it financially viable.

ferike1

What about all the taxes we pay!!! :P

I guess its fair enough that if you are making a personal financial gain something should be charged but 31 euro an hour sounds a bit extortionate.

SBWife

What about OPW parks?

thehamo

Paying isnt the problem alright its the sheer amount that needs to be paid. AFAIK it came about because the bootcampers and tag rugby-ers were all descending on the parks every evening and taking over the whole place (tag rugby being a business and not a team sport). Same the sea fronts. Its basically any area controlled by DCC

Zamboni

Dotcomdolly wrote: »

I would have thought you'd get away with it in smaller parks that don't have staff - so not Marley, Bushy, Tymon etc but little ones like the one on Stanaway rd. D12.

I saw lads getting around the Bushy Park issue by training people on the slope between Bushy Park and Church Lane in Rathfarnham
Not controlled by the park and big enough to run a class.

Zamboni

ferike1 wrote: »

What about all the taxes we pay!!! :P

I guess its fair enough that if you are making a personal financial gain something should be charged but 31 euro an hour sounds a bit extortionate.

What they should have is the Revenue Commissioners hitting the parks on Summer evenings.
I doubt all these bootcamp folks are declaring their income...

All bootcamp (or indeed any fitness class) customers should be asking for Vat Receipts.

Nervous Wreck

Hanley wrote: »

If you're using public resources for personal financial gain, you should definitely have to pay.

The amount DCC seem to be looking for is bonkers, but there should definitely be a rate. I think a flat annual/monthly rate would be better, the hourly rate is just too high to make it financially viable.

Which, unfortunately, is probably part of the idea.

chriity139

What about training on the sea front around clontarf, I see a few trainers training groups of people there

thehamo

same story im afraid. Permits needed.

WHIP IT!

thehamo wrote: »

Paying isnt the problem alright its the sheer amount that needs to be paid. AFAIK it came about because the bootcampers and tag rugby-ers were all descending on the parks every evening and taking over the whole place (tag rugby being a business and not a team sport). Same the sea fronts. Its basically any area controlled by DCC

Kinda sad though isn't it. I mean, there are few things I'd like to do less than have a game of tag-rugby, but during the summer I do think it's great to see people out in the Phoenix Park getting some exercise, adding a bit of colour and life to the place. If someone is knocking a few quid out of it in the meantime, more power to em... but here they insist on taxing people back onto the couch...

Thud

played in a tag league in Herbert Park a few years ago, ~€500 to enter per team (times 20 or 30 teams), second night down the park guys were digging up the pitches to reseed, turned out the tag organisers hadn't paid a penny to the parks

thehamo

I think its a recent enough thing as in 2011 ish. Prior to that they didnt need to pay them squat even though they should have offered up some sort of goodwill

WHIP IT!

Thud wrote: »

played in a tag league in Herbert Park a few years ago, ~€500 to enter per team (times 20 or 30 teams), second night down the park guys were digging up the pitches to reseed, turned out the tag organisers hadn't paid a penny to the parks

Donnie Brasco: "Richie f*cked up in Flo'ida, he never paid off the cops..."

Thud

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Donnie Brasco: "Richie f*cked up in Flo'ida, he never paid off the cops..."

lot of angry folk that night wondering what the €500 was paying for

Naos

WHIP IT! wrote: »

but here they insist on taxing people back onto the couch...

Then they catch you for the TV license & house tax, shnakes :pac:

kevpants

thehamo wrote: »

Paying isnt the problem alright its the sheer amount that needs to be paid. AFAIK it came about because the bootcampers and tag rugby-ers were all descending on the parks every evening and taking over the whole place (tag rugby being a business and not a team sport). Same the sea fronts. Its basically any area controlled by DCC

Our parks were busy, full of people exercising in the open air? Bastards! Charge'm all Enda!

WHIP IT!

kevpants wrote: »

Our parks were busy, full of people exercising in the open air? Bastards! Charge'm all Enda!

Reminds me of the first (and last) residents association meeting I went to when I moved into my house - one lad wanted kids banned from playing football on the green cos it was wearing away the grass. Get em back indoors in front of the tele, asap!!