Tesco Ennis

souza64

i have seen where tesco ireland r in advanced discussions with nama to acquire a large development site on the outskirts of ennis with a view to building a very large supermarket similar to coonagh cross or the large one in naas.in addition they will be trialing a dobbies garden centre.com.they also plan for a pharmacy, opticians and bistro style cafe/ eatery.

car parking is being put at over 600 spaces.the development will include a creche and other child friendly free services.

Clareman

A few capital letters would really make that easier to read.

Have you any links to articles or anything like that that would contain a bit more details?

Shapey Fiend

Hope this doesn't go through myself. Drain more footfall out of the town. Going to end up with the donut effect that ruined Limerick city center. Let them redevelop the current premises and put up a carpark like Dunnes did.. not that the town really has a shortage of spaces anymore.

pilate 1

souza64 wrote: »

i have seen where tesco ireland r in advanced discussions with nama to acquire a large development site on the outskirts of ennis with a view to building a very large supermarket similar to coonagh cross or the large one in naas.in addition they will be trialing a dobbies garden centre.com.they also plan for a pharmacy, opticians and bistro style cafe/ eatery.

car parking is being put at over 600 spaces.the development will include a creche and other child friendly free services.

the overstaffed and underworked planing dept in clare co co gonna have fun with this:mad:

Clareman

I'm going to nail my colours to the mast with this 1 and say that I think it's an absolute disgrace that the Tesco in Ennis is the state it is and they should be allowed build their new shop, the location by the West County would have been ideal but didn't happen.

I know a lot of business and people fear about what'll happen if Tesco moves out of where they are, imvho not many people park in Tesco and walk up town, I also think it's very tough on them to have to supply parking to Cusask Park, for half the Sundays of the year you don't go near Tesco cause you won't get near it. Also, Tesco have said that they will not close their existing store, just change it to a Tesco Express type shop. Personally I tend to shop in either Tesco Kilrush or Coonagh cause it's just easier.

Mr. G

There is already a Tesco there, the town has a Lidl, Aldi, Dunnes and a lot of other ones. It would likely leave a car park with more spaces where the current one is.

The sherwood did do up their restaurant so it would hit them badly if tesco move out.

Parking is way too expensive around town with gives me more of a reason to go to coonagh cross and aldi/lidl, both have free parking.

The current tesco is a disgrace. The staff are helpful there though.

Le_Dieux

Pardon me for intruding:

I live in Newbridge & I have seen what has happened to Naas first hand since Tesco built their large store out on the Monread ( next to the Highway to Limerick/Cork/Waterford). While this was going on, Naas Town Council ( NTC) were building a large shopping centere right in the centre of Naas and Dunne's were supposed to be the anchor tenant. Whatever happened there, Dunne's pulled the plug, and eventually NTC also pulled the plug on that half built site.

Naas also has a terrible problem with parking, with €2 ( iirc) per hour or part thereof. Between all three occurances ( and probably another one or two ) the centre of Naas is a ghost town, with LOTS of shop fronts boarded up. Naas was once a beautiful town, still is, but to see all these derelict sites ( remember the Superquinn site is also deserted now) is a sad indictment on everything that's wrong with this once beautiful country.

As I say at the start, I am intruding, but I just want to paint the picture here so that Ennis doesn't become another Naas.

Mr. G

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Naas was once a beautiful town, still is, but to see all these derelict sites ( remember the Superquinn site is also deserted now) is a sad indictment on everything that's wrong with this once beauti
As I say at the start, I am intruding, but I just want to paint the picture here so that Ennis doesn't become another Naas.

Your always welcome

I would be afraid of this happening, ennis is one of the few large towns nowadays that has a lot of the businesses still in town.

Clareman

Everyone is terrified of Ennis turning into a ghost town cause of Tesco moving, but I would argue that Tesco doesn't bring that many people into town anyway and that their proposed site isn't that far out of town anyway

Le_Dieux

Mr. G wrote: »

Your always welcome

I would be afraid of this happening, ennis is one of the few large towns nowadays that has a lot of the businesses still in town.

OK Mr. G, BUT now the SC where Tesco's in Naas is, has a Boots, an Argos, hairdressers, a coffee shop ( which must be up there with being the most expensive in this country), a butchery, Vodafone among others ( can't remember them all, sorry). ALL businesses which has taken from Naas Town Centre. YET NTC won't drop their parking fee...it's utter madness whats going on.

Sorry for the rant, and apologies for deviating...I only hope Ennis doesn't end up like Naas. You live in the MOST beautiful county in Ireland, it would be terrible to see Your largest town centre blighted by boarded up shop fronts.

Shapey Fiend

Don't think that's intruding Le Deux. Just giving us a taste of what's going to happen. There are enough supermarket options in Ennis already. We don't need two Tescos. That'd be ridiculous. If people want to drive 30 minutes to save 2 euro parking let them. I'm pretty sure it's costing them more in petrol.

Supermarkets always seem like a good idea initially but once they get established and kill off local business they run riot. It's probably going to happen eventually anyway but might as well not accelerate the process too much.

dpofloinn

The same argument over and over again ''doughnut effect'' ''doughnut effect'' ''doughnut effect''. It's like a broken record (which incidentally you can no longer get in Ennis) at this stage. Ennis is already dead its a town full of pound shops,chippers,mobile phone shops,and charity shops not to mention cash for gold outlets there is very little left of the town centre to safeguard against the big evil shopping centre's as some people see them.What damage will a Tesco on the outskirts of town do to Ennis that hasn't already been done by years of trying to make Ennis into a 'Boutique' town.While it is admirable that businesses try to remain unique and independent but it just does not work in this day and age people can longer pay boutique prices How many people in Ennis can honestly say that they can get everything they need in town? My guess would be none

buck65

dpofloinn wrote: »

The same argument over and over again ''doughnut effect'' ''doughnut effect'' ''doughnut effect''. It's like a broken record (which incidentally you can no longer get in Ennis) at this stage. Ennis is already dead its a town full of pound shops,chippers,mobile phone shops,and charity shops not to mention cash for gold outlets there is very little left of the town centre to safeguard against the big evil shopping centre's as some people see them.What damage will a Tesco on the outskirts of town do to Ennis that hasn't already been done by years of trying to make Ennis into a 'Boutique' town.While it is admirable that businesses try to remain unique and independent but it just does not work in this day and age people can longer pay boutique prices How many people in Ennis can honestly say that they can get everything they need in town? My guess would be none

Well one thing for sure if this goes ahead with a mall type store with pharmacies, restaurants, phone shops etc. it will put even more pressure on the small shops of Ennis that are trying to eke out a living.

I guarantee you that there are another dozen businesses at least that are on the edge of staying open. This would finish them off, causing unemployment, boarded up shops etc.

Read up about it, the Americans have sold their souls to the Wall Marts and Home Depots of the worlds, Big Box Swindle is a great book to see the detriment on small towns that large stores cause. This is the same thing on a smaller scale.

I disagree that Ennis is full of useless shops like chippers and gold shops etc. that you say. We have some nices Cafes, bakeries, bike shops, hardware stores, gift and book shops in the town centre.

Why on earth do we need a super sized Tesco store when we have Dunnes, Tesco , Lidl and Aldi already? West Clare are served well by Kilrush and East Clare by Limerick.

rainbowdash

buck65 wrote: »

Well one thing for sure if this goes ahead with a mall type store with pharmacies, restaurants, phone shops etc. it will put even more pressure on the small shops of Ennis that are trying to eke out a living.

I guarantee you that there are another dozen businesses at least that are on the edge of staying open. This would finish them off, causing unemployment, boarded up shops etc.

Read up about it, the Americans have sold their souls to the Wall Marts and Home Depots of the worlds, Big Box Swindle is a great book to see the detriment on small towns that large stores cause. This is the same thing on a smaller scale.

I disagree that Ennis is full of useless shops like chippers and gold shops etc. that you say. We have some nices Cafes, bakeries, bike shops, hardware stores, gift and book shops in the town centre.

Why on earth do we need a super sized Tesco store when we have Dunnes, Tesco , Lidl and Aldi already? West Clare are served well by Kilrush and East Clare by Limerick.

For a start I never enter the above stores in Ennis. The Dunnes and Tesco available in Caherdavin is vastly superior, the shops are bigger, parking is easier and its easier to get there from the motorway.

If there was a shopping centre beside a motorway in the Ennis area I would use that, this would save me time and stress, and like most people that's all we really care about, not small shops in Ennis.

A shopping centre beside the motorway would create jobs which in turn offsets those that might be lost in the centre of town.

If you worked in Limerick for example and lived in Inagh then I would say everybody does their big grocery shopping in Caherdavin on the way home rather than Ennis on the way home.

buck65

rainbowdash wrote: »

For a start I never enter the above stores in Ennis. The Dunnes and Tesco available in Caherdavin is vastly superior, the shops are bigger, parking is easier and its easier to get there from the motorway.

If there was a shopping centre beside a motorway in the Ennis area I would use that, this would save me time and stress, and like most people that's all we really care about, not small shops in Ennis.

A shopping centre beside the motorway would create jobs which in turn offsets those that might be lost in the centre of town.

If you worked in Limerick for example and lived in Inagh then I would say everybody does their big grocery shopping in Caherdavin on the way home rather than Ennis on the way home.

Well unlike you I do care about the small shops in Ennis because like it or not these shops do support local employment, pay rates (albeit far too high) , use local services such as printers, local tradesmen etc that creates more business.
For instance if my business wants to run a promotion do we use the local printers, papers for leaflets, signage etc? Absolutely wherever possible I do.

Will Tesco? Not a chance.

If I need work done in my shop do I employ a local tradesman? Yes .
Do Tesco - no they bring down builders etc from the north or somewhere else.

Local accountants , solicitors etc. also benefit form local business. Tesco user their central offices for all work this so people in the UK or maybe Dublin do that work.

So there is more to it than saying a job gets replaced by a job.

Also these jobs are often filled with part time workers on minimum wage. I never worked for these companies but I do know that Dunnes won't tolerate Unions so I imagine not everyone is happy with their lot but maybe I'm wrong.

So what if you have to drive 20 minutes or half an hour to Coonagh to do your shopping. Work away, we all shop in these big stores but having them everywhere is detrimental to indigenous business.

If Tesco closed in Ennis and built out at the Ennis National School and replaced like with like that would be fine I think but they will look to double their store size and add in another 20 or so new shops/units added.

Balagan

Noone but the significantly well-off can shop in Ennis for clothes, blinds, curtains, furniture, computers and a lot else besides. Prices in Ennis are very high and there is very little to choose from.

A decent sized Tesco in Ennis would mean that I wouldn't be stopping in Coonagh on the way back from Limerick. That's all.

Palmach

Balagan wrote: »

. Prices in Ennis are very high and there is very little to choose from.

You have some sort of link or the like to back up this statement I presume?

Johnboy1951

Did I miss it? ........ what is the proposed location of the new Tesco?

dpofloinn

At the end of the the day it comes down to survival of the fittest if the shops and businesses in Ennis are able to provide goods and services that people want and need then they have nothing to fear from Tesco,but if they cant then why should the people of Ennis and indeed Clare have to travel to Limerick for the things that a town the size of Ennis should have.

It can be argued all day, but Ennis needs to become more like Killarney a town of comparable size which manages to combine high street shops like Tesco,M&S,etc and its own indigenous local shops and businesses very successfully

Balagan

Palmach wrote: »

You have some sort of link or the like to back up this statement I presume?

Just my brain, calculator and bank balance! And the accompanying scores of Clare people in Limerick with me doing their shopping and slowing down the traffic.

Radio5

souza64 wrote: »

i have seen where tesco ireland r in advanced discussions with nama to acquire a large development site on the outskirts of ennis with a view to building a very large supermarket similar to coonagh cross or the large one in naas.in addition they will be trialing a dobbies garden centre.com.they also plan for a pharmacy, opticians and bistro style cafe/ eatery.

car parking is being put at over 600 spaces.the development will include a creche and other child friendly free services.

Where did you see this ? Where is the development supposed to be?

The site opposite the West County has already been ruled out by the planning refusal so where is the proposed site you're referring to ?

buck65

dpofloinn wrote: »

At the end of the the day it comes down to survival of the fittest if the shops and businesses in Ennis are able to provide goods and services that people want and need then they have nothing to fear from Tesco,but if they cant then why should the people of Ennis and indeed Clare have to travel to Limerick for the things that a town the size of Ennis should have.

It can be argued all day, but Ennis needs to become more like Killarney a town of comparable size which manages to combine high street shops like Tesco,M&S,etc and its own indigenous local shops and businesses very successfully

Hardly a level playing field now is it?

Ennis is well catered for, the big 4 are all here and Ryan's, Lynch's Centra and Roslevan provide decent alternatives too.

As I said fine if Tesco replaces like with like sizewise with better parking but you can be sure they will want to double their size and add a load of new stores that will put others out of business and eventually close up themselves leaving a ghost mall like in Jetland Limerick.

Ennis and Clare can not sustain flagship Dunnes and Tesco stores and have viable smaller businesses.

I know a business in Kilrush that is going to close soon because it can't compete with Aldi and Tesco, and it isn't a grocery shop.

These "boxes" want to have it all but sure it's convenient so why stop them.

I run a business that competes with much larger businesses and I guarantee you I am far cheaper than these companies. You might be surprised if you investigated prices a bit further.

buck65

Radio5 wrote: »

Where did you see this ? Where is the development supposed to be?

The site opposite the West County has already been ruled out by the planning refusal so where is the proposed site you're referring to ?

Ennis National School (BNS)

Nevermind_

buck65 wrote: »

Ennis National School (BNS)

That doesn't tally with the initial poster on this;

"i have seen where tesco ireland r in advanced discussions with nama to acquire a large development site on the outskirts of ennis"

The old National school could not possibly be in NAMA or else its just more of the usual bullcrap rumour mill that does the rounds

buck65

Not sure had heard the BNS but in fairness there are plenty of sites outside Ennis I'm sure if they want to buy them.

Palmach

Balagan wrote: »

Just my brain, calculator and bank balance! .

So you decided to have a livelinesgue whinge about prices but you have not one shred of evidence to back up what you said.

dpofloinn

''I run a business that competes with much larger businesses and I guarantee you I am far cheaper than these companies. You might be surprised if you investigated prices a bit further.''

That's great that you have found a way for your business to compete and survive while others go to the wall,but for these businesses to blame Tesco and other large organisations for their demise is just a cop out , these businesses failed to adapt to the times we are in and sadly have paid the price.We all have overheads to pay but I don't see why I or anyone else should pay extra for goods or services just because its local

rainbowdash

If all the shops in Ennis were selling clothes made in liscannor or kilkee, fish from lough derg, potatoes from Inagh, beef from Crusheen, TVs and electronics made in Shannon, mobile phones made in Quin, then yes they might have a case.

If the reality is that most of what they sell is imported anyway then its just sour grapes, business is all about evolution.

Lets leave the EC and slap 50% tax on all imports and see where that leaves us.

buck65

All I hear you all mention is price. Is there not more to it than cost? Do you make a decision based only on price?

Do you buy your burgers in Tesco or do you go to the local butcher who sources his meat from traceable sources.

What about customer service. I like to buy wine from a small shop who will let you sample a bottle and give you a free bottle when you accumulate 10 bottles.

the boxes sell the same trash, mass produced for the masses. These malls are souless with European and English owned companies. Look at Grafton St in dublin you might as well be in London.

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dpofloinn wrote: »

''I run a business that competes with much larger businesses and I guarantee you I am far cheaper than these companies. You might be surprised if you investigated prices a bit further.''

That's great that you have found a way for your business to compete and survive while others go to the wall,but for these businesses to blame Tesco and other large organisations for their demise is just a cop out , these businesses failed to adapt to the times we are in and sadly have paid the price.We all have overheads to pay but I don't see why I or anyone else should pay extra for goods or services just because its local

in local retail for 30 years ,family buisness for almost 100.one thing ive noticed
(seen a lot come and go) is the very people who lament the loss of a small local
buisness didnt support it in the first place:mad:adapt my arse its about economies of scale and race to the bottom.i live eat drink etc here and MY ****ING TAX DOLLARS STAY HERE:mad:

dpofloinn

''All I hear you all mention is price. Is there not more to it than cost? Do you make a decision based only on price?''

Sort answer yes Price is everything I don't want to be your friend,I don't want to chit chat about the weather I just want to get what I came to town to get and go home.
From what I can see from this thread the traders and merchants of Ennis don't like competition and it would seem they prefer to blame all their woes on big faceless multinationals

AnarchistKen

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Pardon me for intruding:

I live in Newbridge & I have seen what has happened to Naas first hand since Tesco built their large store out on the Monread ( next to the Highway to Limerick/Cork/Waterford). While this was going on, Naas Town Council ( NTC) were building a large shopping centere right in the centre of Naas and Dunne's were supposed to be the anchor tenant. Whatever happened there, Dunne's pulled the plug, and eventually NTC also pulled the plug on that half built site.

Naas also has a terrible problem with parking, with €2 ( iirc) per hour or part thereof. Between all three occurances ( and probably another one or two ) the centre of Naas is a ghost town, with LOTS of shop fronts boarded up. Naas was once a beautiful town, still is, but to see all these derelict sites ( remember the Superquinn site is also deserted now) is a sad indictment on everything that's wrong with this once beautiful country.

As I say at the start, I am intruding, but I just want to paint the picture here so that Ennis doesn't become another Naas.

No mention of the large number of jobs in construction and retail that Tesco create year on year. I lived in Naas for five years I actually think that they done a fine job on that site and left it with a fine looking building.

Tesco cannot be blamed for the NTC mess in the middle of the town.

Back on topic I hope for jobs alone the Ennis one goes ahead

Clareman

I'm a bit tired this evening, but I'm trying to think of what businesses would be affected if Tesco was to open a second shop in Ennis, besides their direct competitors (Dunnes, Centra, Aldi & Lidl) I would see Off Licenses and Electronical shops as the businesses under the most threat by Tesco opening a new large shop.

In regards to taking people out of town, as I have already said, I don't think many people go up town on foot from Tesco, the first site Tesco were going for (West County) would have gotten people almost as close to town as they would be in the current location, if they have to move further out that would put an even larger pull away from the town centre. In addition, I would imagine that a lot of businesses that would be looking to open in a shopping centre/mall type location would be franchises (like Argos), people are going to use these whether they are in Limerick or Ennis, why not have shops in Ennis and have people employed here instead of in Limerick/Galway?

Finally, Tesco would be a 24/7 operation, that would be ~8 hours extra each day that any local shop would hope to do, that would be 8 hours extra salary for staff, that staff would be local people, salaries paid by multi-nationals like Tesco are exactly the same as salaries paid by local businesses.

rainbowdash

buck65 wrote: »

All I hear you all mention is price. Is there not more to it than cost? Do you make a decision based only on price?

Do you buy your burgers in Tesco or do you go to the local butcher who sources his meat from traceable sources.

What about customer service. I like to buy wine from a small shop who will let you sample a bottle and give you a free bottle when you accumulate 10 bottles.

the boxes sell the same trash, mass produced for the masses. These malls are souless with European and English owned companies. Look at Grafton St in dublin you might as well be in London.

Your entitled to your opinion but that's all it is. We in our house think the crescent shopping centre is savage. The kids love it and we can park underground out of the rain for free. It has cinemas and takeways all in the same premises.

Its always buzzing and safe, there are no run down or boarded up shops and no feel of a recession when you go in there.

Why would I go to a local shop and listen to them piss and moan about the recession or tell me about how Mary up the road has cancer or Johnny down the road has lost his job, and then pay more money for a loaf of bread or milk as I listen to the whine.

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Clareman wrote: »

I'm a bit tired this evening, but I'm trying to think of what businesses would be affected if Tesco was to open a second shop in Ennis, besides their direct competitors (Dunnes, Centra, Aldi & Lidl) I would see Off Licenses and Electronical shops as the businesses under the most threat by Tesco opening a new large shop.

In regards to taking people out of town, as I have already said, I don't think many people go up town on foot from Tesco, the first site Tesco were going for (West County) would have gotten people almost as close to town as they would be in the current location, if they have to move further out that would put an even larger pull away from the town centre. In addition, I would imagine that a lot of businesses that would be looking to open in a shopping centre/mall type location would be franchises (like Argos), people are going to use these whether they are in Limerick or Ennis, why not have shops in Ennis and have people employed here instead of in Limerick/Galway?

Finally, Tesco would be a 24/7 operation, that would be ~8 hours extra each day that any local shop would hope to do, that would be 8 hours extra salary for staff, that staff would be local people, salaries paid by multi-nationals like Tesco are exactly the same as salaries paid by local businesses.

point taken but profits DONT.

Clareman

rainbowdash wrote: »

Why would I go to a local shop and listen to them piss and moan about the recession or tell me about how Mary up the road has cancer or Johnny down the road has lost his job, and then pay more money for a loaf of bread or milk as I listen to the whine.

There are some great reasons to shop local, you might hear about a plan to shut the electricity or water off or something like that. There's also some great local shops (e.g. Bakeries like O'Connors and Cootes) that make products that (imvho) are far superior than anything that can be gotten in large supermarkets (although they do supply the large shops as well), same goes for meat, I always get that from a local butchers.

Mr. G

O'Connors have some really nice rolls

I noticed a good lot of the bakerys in large supermarkets, have a sell by date of that day every time I go in there and some of the stuff is not fresh.

Do Tesco make rolls there?

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rainbowdash wrote: »

Your entitled to your opinion but that's all it is. We in our house think the crescent shopping centre is savage. The kids love it and we can park underground out of the rain for free. It has cinemas and takeways all in the same premises.

Its always buzzing and safe, there are no run down or boarded up shops and no feel of a recession when you go in there.

Why would I go to a local shop and listen to them piss and moan about the recession or tell me about how Mary up the road has cancer or Johnny down the road has lost his job, and then pay more money for a loaf of bread or milk as I listen to the whine.

bringing up youre children in the rarefied confines of the cresent must be bliss:)

collie0708

dpofloinn wrote: »

''I run a business that competes with much larger businesses and I guarantee you I am far cheaper than these companies. You might be surprised if you investigated prices a bit further.''

That's great that you have found a way for your business to compete and survive while others go to the wall,but for these businesses to blame Tesco and other large organisations for their demise is just a cop out , these businesses failed to adapt to the times we are in and sadly have paid the price.We all have overheads to pay but I don't see why I or anyone else should pay extra for goods or services just because its local

I couldn't agree more,if you are running your business well and satisfying your customers you have nothing to worry about.

Will never understand the number of people who go mental about big companies and how they put all these local places out of business..... Truth is no business puts another out of business customers do by deciding where not to spend there money..

catallus

I'm still in the dark about precisely where this is supposed to be happening?

dee_mc

Is this the proposed site roughly across the road from Flannan's College near the Applegreen service station or has a new site been proposed?

Carazy

souza64 wrote: »

i have seen where tesco ireland r in advanced discussions with nama to acquire a large development site on the outskirts of ennis with a view to building a very large supermarket similar to coonagh cross or the large one in naas.in addition they will be trialing a dobbies garden centre.com.they also plan for a pharmacy, opticians and bistro style cafe/ eatery.

car parking is being put at over 600 spaces.the development will include a creche and other child friendly free services.

Unless you have a link to such developments I think this is a bit suspect considering you have just joined here and your very first post is this ''inside'' info.......

Clareman

catallus wrote: »

I'm still in the dark about precisely where this is supposed to be happening?

Tesco Ireland have made no secret about wanting to build a new shop in Ennis, they have tried to get permission to build across the road from the West County and failed, they are now rumours going around that they are looking for other sites, with rumours circulating of sites ranging from Ballymaley (out old Gort Road) to the site of the "old" National School to the site on the by-pass where the new Cusack Park was going to go. I would say that Tesco are probably looking at all those sites and more and will decide on what 1 eventually.

foxcoverteddy

Aren't you the lucky ones, our County Council come Borough council won't allow Tesco into Kilkenny, so everyone has to goto Carlow, Wexford or Tipp.
Funny we have two Dunnes in the city, pathetic parking but plenty of small shops selling for tourists mainly.
Didn't mean to crash in but we would love a TESCO.

Balagan

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Aren't you the lucky ones, our County Council come Borough council won't allow Tesco into Kilkenny, so everyone has to goto Carlow, Wexford or Tipp.
Funny we have two Dunnes in the city, pathetic parking but plenty of small shops selling for tourists mainly.
Didn't mean to crash in but we would love a TESCO.

It took forever to get Dunnes into Kilkenny.

Shapey Fiend

Tesco just loss lead everything, that's why the prices are low. When they've killed off the competition prices go back up. The playing field is far from level because they have weight to throw around that independent shops will never have. They don't even take a hit on the sale stuff the supplier has to take that. And if he doesn't then he loses a huge chunk of the market. The only reason to put your faith in these places is if you're blindly short term minded because they'll **** everybody over eventually.

Price is not the whole equation. If you want a tin of beans or whatever then fine but doing all your shopping in these places doesn't make good sense. The meat and veg isn't as cheap as you'll find elsewhere by shopping around, and it's 10 times worse than the local places. If you're only eating precooked meals and stuff then fair enough you'll find them in Tesco but if you're living on that kind of thing you're tripling your grocery bill anyway.

The Crescent is boooring. Give me Ennis town center on a rainy day over that any time. The cinema is one of the dirtiest in the country, the speakers are all broken and they've selotaped the screens where it's ripped.

Le_Dieux

AnarchistKen wrote: »

No mention of the large number of jobs in construction and retail that Tesco create year on year. I lived in Naas for five years I actually think that they done a fine job on that site and left it with a fine looking building.

Tesco cannot be blamed for the NTC mess in the middle of the town.

Back on topic I hope for jobs alone the Ennis one goes ahead

I have no idea how many jobs were created during the construction. And yes I agree, the site is not bad at all.

But aare You telling me Tesco are blameless for what's happened in the town centre? Please.....but sorry, Im not going to detract from the thread title...just wondering if and when this supermarket opens & assuming this store sells what Tesco in Naas sells, will florists/mobile shops/toystores/electrics/pharmacy's in Ennis town centre not suffer and end up laying off staff?

Clareman

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

Tesco just loss lead everything, that's why the prices are low. When they've killed off the competition prices go back up.

Sorry to pull you on this, and I was thinking of leaving it, but that's just wrong on so many levels. I've worked for many years in multi-national companies and have a fairly detailed understanding of supply chain and pricing from vendors, what you are saying here is a common misconception as to how multi-nationals work.

Tesco (and other large companies such as Dunnes and Centra) operate off a central purchasing and pricing centre, if you are buying something in Tesco Ennis you can almost guarantee that it'll be the same price in every other Tesco in Ireland (excluding yellow sticker items). The reason Tesco gets great pricing is because they are buying in massive quantities directly from the manufacturer, the manufacturer can offer to give discounted pricing because they only have to deliver to 1 place and they also have a guaranteed price at an agreed time, they don't have to worry about chasing for money or not being paid, they know that they'll get paid.

Often what large companies will do is go out to manufactures of a certain product and tell them the quantities of what they want and where they want it. For example, they want to run a special on pasta sauce, they'll go to Dolmio, Roma and a few more and say they want 1 million jars at 20c per jar delivered to their main depot on the 1st of May, it's up to the suppliers to say whether they want to do business or not.

There'll also be a case where companies will have to pay "hello money" to get their products sold, this will be deemed the cost of doing business (e.g. IT setup costs, advertising, product placement), this will have the impact of meaning that smaller operators won't be able to get get their products sold by larger companies because the cost of setup would be too large.

Large supermarkets will also make their own brand products for a very large variety of products, a lot of these products will suffer from "Yellow Pack" stigma and people won't go near them, people will be very brand loyal to their favourite products (e.g. Coke over Pepsi), Tesco may off a loss leader on products like these to get people used to buying them or to break brand loyalty to other products, once they sense that people are buying the product they'll remove any reductions.

In essence, Tesco don't really care about small shops in the same town as they operate, they are all about market share and profit margin, they'll want to have "x" amount of shops opening at "y" sales levels and "z" profit margins, this will all be laid out at a corporate level.

Sorry about the long post, but it's easy for people to blame the "Evil Multi-National" but all they want to do is increase their share price to keep share holders happy by giving their customers what they want.

Clareman

Le_Dieux wrote: »

just wondering if and when this supermarket opens & assuming this store sells what Tesco in Naas sells, will florists/mobile shops/toystores/electrics/pharmacy's in Ennis town centre not suffer and end up laying off staff?

There's already a Tesco in Ennis, it's not as if they are going to move in and mean that no-body can compete with them. Also, all that seems to be opening in Ennis now is Cash for Gold and Poundshops type places, businesses are closing anyway in town, walking through town and you'll be greeted by a lot of closed shops.

Also, all the business types you have mentioned already has large multi-national presences in town anyway with Interflora/O2 and the rest/World of Wonder/Euronics/Boots, but there's also local businesses that are surviving in the face of competition like Swiss Flower shop/Phone Repairs/Tierneys/Heaney's/Flynns.

Le_Dieux

Clareman wrote: »

There's already a Tesco in Ennis, it's not as if they are going to move in and mean that no-body can compete with them. Also, all that seems to be opening in Ennis now is Cash for Gold and Poundshops type places, businesses are closing anyway in town, walking through town and you'll be greeted by a lot of closed shops.

Also, all the business types you have mentioned already has large multi-national presences in town anyway with Interflora/O2 and the rest/World of Wonder/Euronics/Boots, but there's also local businesses that are surviving in the face of competition like Swiss Flower shop/Phone Repairs/Tierneys/Heaney's/Flynns.

There is also a Tesco in Naas centre ( that was supposed to close when the Hypermarket opened, but for some reason it stayed open). I'm not from Naas - Newbridge here - but Naas town centre now is a ghost town, and there are lots of empty/boarded up shops.

I apologise, I don''t mean to hijack Your thread over the 'troubles' within Naas.

Clareman

Le_Dieux wrote: »

There is also a Tesco in Naas centre ( that was supposed to close when the Hypermarket opened, but for some reason it stayed open). I'm not from Naas - Newbridge here - but Naas town centre now is a ghost town, and there are lots of empty/boarded up shops.

I apologise, I don''t mean to hijack Your thread over the 'troubles' within Naas.

An awful lot of towns have these issues, all over Ireland, it's very easy to blame the nasty shopping centre out of town, but there are other issues that can't be ignored like MASSIVE rates in town centres, high wage costs and the fact that we're in a recession.