THC has been legalised in Ireland Fri 12th Apr 2013

G Power

GW Pharmacy have been granted a licence to rip the Irish people by selling them THC extract from the female cannabis plant!!

Cannabis has no recorded deaths attributable to it but Sativex and Marinol do and our "government" are happy to sidestep the testing of this "new" drug and just bring it straight to shelf!! How much does that cost a huge UK pharma lobbyist these days I wonder??

Any self respecting recreational or medical user of cannabis or extract will have extremely little regard for the laws or lawmakers who after lying to us for over 50 years want to continue lying to us by "trying" to say GW pharmacies 100% THC is ok but what we can all grow for ourselves is not!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw

G Power

watch GW pharmacy produce the pure cannabis oil here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPjrvjvrIdM

watch Rick Simpson produce the same oil at home for a fraction of the cost

https://www.youtube.com/user/chrychek

ahahahahahahahahaha

Banjo String

G Power

25 tokes a day ahahahahahahahaha

quick lock that dangerous criminal up immediately ahahahahahahaha

billy2012

G Power wrote: »

GW Pharmacy have been granted a licence to rip the Irish people by selling them THC extract from the female cannabis plant!!

Cannabis has no recorded deaths attributable to it but Sativex and Marinol do and our "government" are happy to sidestep the testing of this "new" drug and just bring it straight to shelf!! How much does that cost a huge UK pharma lobbyist these days I wonder??

Any self respecting recreational or medical user of cannabis or extract will have extremely little regard for the laws or lawmakers who after lying to us for over 50 years want to continue lying to us by "trying" to say GW pharmacies 100% THC is ok but what we can all grow for ourselves is not!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw

Will they be making it here or abroad??

Augmerson

That's just like, your opinion, man.

Sergeant

A pharmaceutical company producing a drug, paying researchers, carrying out trials and marketing the product isn't the same as some stoner rolling a spliff and listening to Pink Floyd.

sfwcork

how are the demostrations going Gpower. I saw 4 guys sitting on a wall there las week, though they were pa of your demostration group

PirateShampoo

Sergeant wrote: »

A pharmaceutical company producing a drug, paying researchers, carrying out trials and marketing the product isn't the same as some stoner rolling a spliff and listening to Pink Floyd.

Oh the humanity, won't someone think of the children.

The difference is, the pharmaceutical company wants to make money, the stoner just wants to chill out and relax.

G Power

Sergeant wrote: »

A pharmaceutical company producing a drug, paying researchers, carrying out trials and marketing the product isn't the same as some stoner rolling a spliff and listening to Pink Floyd.

they produced nothing, they merely extracted it from the plant material and sell it back to us fools with massive markup

do your research on the subject then get back to me

ScumLord

Its a step in the right direction anyway. If this drug proves successful it will be harder for the government to label cannabis as dangerous.

uch

Dave's Not Here Man !

G Power

ScumLord wrote: »

Its a step in the right direction anyway. If this drug proves successful it will be harder for the government to label cannabis as dangerous.

the very fact they're bringing it in but insisting they're going to write the law so it's only ok for GW pharmacy to have anything to do with THC and continue to try criminalise people for growing or possession of what is now deemed a beneficial medicine will be enough for most people to go ahead and grow their own.

Just look at the amount of grows in Ireland since the head shop and now imagine what this move will do

Mr Benevolent

ScumLord wrote: »

Its a step in the right direction anyway. If this drug proves successful it will be harder for the government to label cannabis as dangerous.

Good point. Give it 5-10 years and the attitudes will finally be right for legalisation. Going in the with 'Those capitalist pigs are just ripping us off, man!' attitude is counterproductive. Logical argument backed up with overwhelming scientific evidence over a number of years is the way to go, along with the steadily growing examples of of other countries legalising. Especially telling is the US's attitudes changing after years of harsh penalties.

BTW I don't use any illegal drugs and I'm still in favour of legalising THC.

Sergeant

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Oh the humanity, won't someone think of the children.

The difference is, the pharmaceutical company wants to make money, the stoner just wants to chill out and relax.

Yes. And ?

Lenin Skynard

Sergeant wrote: »

Yes. And ?

Fact is that the MS sufferer will be paying hundreds if not thousands to GW Pharma when they could grow the same thing at home on their windowbox for free.

G Power

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Good point. Give it 5-10 years and the attitudes will finally be right for legalisation. Going in the with 'Those capitalist pigs are just ripping us off, man!' attitude is counterproductive. Logical argument backed up with overwhelming scientific evidence over a number of years is the way to go, along with the steadily growing examples of of other countries legalising. Especially telling is the US's attitudes changing after years of harsh penalties.

BTW I don't use any illegal drugs and I'm still in favour of legalising THC.

so all the logical arguments and overwhelming scientific evidence of the last 50+ years isn't good enough??

the dogs on the street know the only reason this is happening now is down to money and not for the good of our health

G Power

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

Fact is that the MS sufferer will be paying hundreds if not thousands to GW Pharma when they could grow the same thing at home on their windowbox for free.

some might but most will be growing their own aahahahahahaha

Mr Benevolent

G Power wrote: »

the dogs on the street know the only reason this is happening now is down to money and not for the good of our health

That doesn't make sense. If it was down to money then it would have been legalised and taxed years ago. The actual reason is because legalising THC/CBD in any way was never seen as a vote winner. Soon enough it will be, and we'll go the same way as the rest of Europe.

Thatnastyboy

Great news, (not) the pharma companies are cashing in on a plant, that can grow pretty much anywhere, thats the the power of lobbying & big money.

And on the decrim/legalise side of things:

Lads, its well established by now,

as soon as one of these threads pops up, a few informed posts from both sides will get the ball rolling -

Then the 'thunderdome dwellers' will arrive to troll, call people pal, buddy, stoners etc and spill bile about tax eurons etc, its long past old by now, :rolleyes: these threads have become pointless because of it.

Lenin Skynard

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

Great news, (not) the pharma companies are cashing in on a plant, that can grow pretty much anywhere, thats the the power of lobbying & big money.

And on the decrim/legalise side of things:

Lads, its well established by now,

as soon as one of these threads pops up, a few informed posts from both sides will get the ball rolling -

Then the 'thunderdome dwellers' will arrive to troll, call people pal, buddy, stoners etc and spill bile about tax eurons etc, its long past old by now, :rolleyes: these threads have become pointless because of it.

Write that post while toking on one of your reefers did ya pal? :rolleyes:

Snake Pliisken

Mark my words, they're gonna need to increase the size of the wheelchair section at the Roger Waters gig because of this...

Thatnastyboy

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

Write that post while toking on one of your reefers did ya pal? :rolleyes:

I wish, too busy in hospital wasting blutts tax eurons, buddy pal mate chap

Snake Pliisken wrote: »

Mark my words, they're gonna need to increase the size of the wheelchair section at the Roger Waters gig because of this...

^ Now that nearly made me piss my pants

golfball37

Snake Pliisken wrote: »

Mark my words, they're gonna need to increase the size of the wheelchair section at the Roger Waters gig because of this...

the comfortably numb section no doubt...

IM0

mods must be asleep. again

G Power

IM0 wrote: »

mods must be asleep. again

huh??

IM0

G Power wrote: »

huh??

do you usually posttabloid type headlines without giving any kind of source

Peetrik

Mr Benevolent wrote: »

Logical argument backed up with overwhelming scientific evidence over a number of years is the way to go

Uh huh, and that really worked with the religion side of things hasn't it. People getting angry and kicking up a fuss is how things get done in Ireland... which is hard to organise with people like to smoke

OldGoat

IM0 wrote: »

mods must be asleep. again

Did you report a post? No? Their godlike power of peception must be having an offkilter day so.

I'd be more impressed if Jacobs got the right to produce THC laced biscuits, can't stand smoking the stuff anymore.

My name is URL

http://www.medicalindependent.ie/24801/medicinal_cannabis_delay_is_a_pain_for_users

Despite IMB approval for a cannabis-based oral spray, the Misuse of Drugs Act will have to be amended before it is introduced and the medical community is divided on the benefits. Kieran Dineen reports

Only approved on principle atm... it's in no way 'legalised'

Mr Benevolent

IM0 wrote: »

do you usually posttabloid type headlines without giving any kind of source

Is this ok?

G Power

IM0 wrote: »

do you usually posttabloid type headlines without giving any kind of source

no, it has been legalised, albeit for GW pharmacy only at this point.

I await how you keep it illegal while a pharma company can charge crazy prices for extracting what we can all extract at home for a fraction of the price.

Lenin Skynard

Here's another one for the googley-challenged.

http://www.thejournal.ie/cannabis-spray-ireland-865790-Apr2013/

Sergeant

G Power wrote: »

no, it has been legalised, albeit for GW pharmacy only at this point.

I await how you keep it illegal while a pharma company can charge crazy prices for extracting what we can all extract at home for a fraction of the price.

You can produce laboratory standard medication at home?

G Power

OldGoat wrote: »

Did you report a post? No? Their godlike power of peception must be having an offkilter day so.

I'd be more impressed if Jacobs got the right to produce THC laced biscuits, can't stand smoking the stuff anymore.

don't smoke it so, many many other ways of gettin it into ya like

Truncheon Rouge

ScumLord wrote: »

Its a step in the right direction anyway. If this drug proves successful it will be harder for the government to label cannabis as dangerous.

hmmm don't know about that.
if legalization is your goal then this could be quite the opposite.
.
IF it is the case as suggested above that the product is on the shelf due to lobbying and big bags of munnay then Im sure one of the terms of the contract was to keep the real stuff unavailable.

My name is URL

G Power wrote: »

no, it has been legalised, albeit for GW pharmacy only at this point.

I await how you keep it illegal while a pharma company can charge crazy prices for extracting what we can all extract at home for a fraction of the price.

Where are you getting that from? It hasn't been legalised, for anyone.

It has only been preliminarily approved for use by the Irish Medicines Board. They have nothing to do with deciding on changes to legislation.

mikom

Sergeant wrote: »

A pharmaceutical company producing a drug, paying researchers, carrying out trials and marketing the product isn't the same as some stoner rolling a spliff and listening to Pink Floyd.

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

Write that post while toking on one of your reefers did ya pal? :rolleyes:

*Blows cloud of vapor in posters general direction.
.
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Lenin Skynard wrote: »

Fact is that the MS sufferer will be paying hundreds if not thousands to GW Pharma when they could grow the same thing at home on their windowbox for free.

Some MS sufferers will be paying, and some taxpayers will be helping out the MS sufferers who will be unable to pay.

From the UK..........

The spray is being sold to the NHS at the agreed price of £175 per 10ml bottle.
Where for the same amount of chemicals cannabis can be bought on the street for roughly £20-30, and grown at home by an individual for a couple of pounds.

In the US, where some states have medical marijuana dispensaries, dispensing high quality cannabis and some cannabis spray. The spray costs around $20 for 50ml, quite a large price differential.

So as you can see sativex in the UK is going to cost the tax payer vastly more than it should, thanks to monopoly rights. The extortionate price of sativex is going to deter health authorities from prescribing the much-needed drug to severely ill patients, and total use of the drug, that can have a huge benefit to patients, is going to be significantly reduced.

Is it any wonder the GW Pharmaceuticals are already turning over £30m and in profit despite large research and development costs and sales nowhere near potential?

The men in suits...........they steal your dreams and sell them back to you.

Sativex is super strong, concentrated cannabis. Nothing more, nothing less.

GW Pharmaceuticals would have you believe that it’s a “pharmaceutical” product because according to its research that’s what patients prefer. As the GW spokesman puts it, “It’s a pharmaceutical solution, formulated with the ability to deliver a precise dose and with stringent standards of quality, safety and efficacy”.

In fact, what GW does is grow high quality cannabis under pretty much the same conditions as most illegal growers. It uses clonal propagation to ensure consistent levels of cannabinoids. Lighting and hydroponic nutrition is computer controlled with automatic ventilation. It really is no different from the most sophisticated and efficient illegal cannabis farms.

The difference between these crops from legal and illegal growers is insignificant. It’s similar to buying your tomatoes from the supermarket or the farm shop.



GW takes its high quality cannabis, chops it up and makes a tincture by heating it under pressure with CO2 and then adding ethanol to precipitate an oil. Then, with the addition of a little peppermint oil to mask the taste and some preservative, the filtered liquid is packaged into tiny little aerosol bottles. Each spray delivers 2.7mg of THC and 2.5mg of CBD. What GW doesn’t tell you that it also contains all the other 100+ cannabinoids found in the plant, each of which has its own mechanism of action and effect. It also contains flavonoids, terpines and other compounds. Everything that is found in the plant.

It would be a mistake though to think that Sativex is anything different from the plant itself. It’s just been wrapped up in a marketing and physical package which has enabled stupid and cowardly politicians to accept it.

There is no honest or accurate way to describe Sativex except to say that it is cannabis. The Home Office is on the record as saying that “the future scheduling of this medicinal product will not affect the classification of cannabis” which is unambiguous evidence of an intention to deceive.
http://www.clear-uk.org/the-truth-about-sativex/

pastorbarrett

A move motivated by monetary gain for the parties concerned, but nonetheless one that implicitly concedes that the plant is of some medical value. A move in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.

Decriminalize, regulate, make the necessary information widely available- enough of the nanny-state mentality.

G Power

Sergeant wrote: »

You can produce laboratory standard medication at home?

if you watch this 5 minute video of GW pharmacy producing hemp oil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un5JSkNX5oQ

you may be interested in watching this 10 minute video showing how to do that same at home with the same techniques, chemical processes etc, not lab spec but provided you use clean utensils in a clean area it will be a damn sight cheaper to make your own

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv91dll4wS4

G Power

Truncheon Rouge wrote: »

hmmm don't know about that.
if legalization is your goal then this could be quite the opposite.
.
IF it is the case as suggested above that the product is on the shelf due to lobbying and big bags of munnay then Im sure one of the terms of the contract was to keep the real stuff unavailable.

if that was the case then some countries that have already licensed it wouldn't allow their people to grow between 2 - 5 plants per person

ScumLord

G Power wrote: »

the very fact they're bringing it in but insisting they're going to write the law so it's only ok for GW pharmacy to have anything to do with THC and continue to try criminalise people for growing or possession of what is now deemed a beneficial medicine will be enough for most people to go ahead and grow their own.

Just look at the amount of grows in Ireland since the head shop and now imagine what this move will do

Like it's already been pointed out, medical cannabis needs to come from a regulated source so there can be a guarantee of consistent strength. Growing in your back garden isn't really an option for some of the patients this drug will help either due to chronic pain or immobility.

This is a stepping stone, first stage will be the people that need the drug getting the relief they need. Stage two will be them giving out their being overcharged maybe forcing some relaxing of the restrictions on suppliers. Stage 3 will be the decimation of the anti cannabis argument that cannabis is dangerous because for the first time we'll have clear recorded evidence of hundreds if not thousands of people using it on a daily basis with minimal harmful side effects.

I would love to see Ireland get the jump on the rest of the world when it comes to legalisation. It's a real chance for us to get in first with hemp, medical and recreational production but it's not going to happen. Ireland will miss the boat on this one and instead of being a brand for high quality cannabis production we'll end up importing it when legalisation finally happens.

G Power

ScumLord wrote: »

Like it's already been pointed out, medical cannabis needs to come from a regulated source so there can be a guarantee of consistent strength. Growing in your back garden isn't really an option for some of the patients this drug will help either due to chronic pain or immobility.

This is a stepping stone, first stage will be the people that need the drug getting the relief they need. Stage two will be them giving out their being overcharged maybe forcing some relaxing of the restrictions on suppliers. Stage 3 will be the decimation of the anti cannabis argument that cannabis is dangerous because for the first time we'll have clear recorded evidence of hundreds if not thousands of people using it on a daily basis with minimal harmful side effects.

I would love to see Ireland get the jump on the rest of the world when it comes to legalisation. It's a real chance for us to get in first with hemp, medical and recreational production but it's not going to happen. Ireland will miss the boat on this one and instead of being a brand for high quality cannabis production we'll end up importing it when legalisation finally happens.

and like it's already been pointed out the cannabis GW pharmacy uses to produce their oil is for all intents and purposes the same as what can be grown at home. I myself have witnessed very recently someone growing 1 plant in a wardrobe with 7 x 20watt tesco CFL bulbs and getting 90grams of absolutely top quality bud from that one plant.

Admittedly it could take 5 - 10 plants every 3 weeks to produce enough oil to keep one or 2 people in good health. some people might see the licencing of a company to sell us what we can grow for ourselves as being enough of a reason to plant seeds themselves fcuk the begrudging government, big pharma, her majesty and uncle sam!!

Mr. CooL ICE

Sooo... when should I stick my balls in a microwave?

Kurtosis

I'd have thought some posters with such a keen interest in the topic would be able to get the facts straight.

It is not 100% THC, or the same as cannabis, it's a mix of two cannabis extracts, one high THC and one high CBD strain. I would doubt anyone is growing or using such a mix for recreational purposes.

THC has not been legalised (even this mix of THC and CBD has not been legalised), the Irish Medicines Board has given preliminary approval for a licence for a cannabis-based medicinal product. Cannabis and cannabis-based products are still effectively illegal under the Misuse of Drugs Act.

People are fooling themselves if they think this is an incremental step on the road to decriminalisation/legalisation of cannabis. This is not the same as cannabis, it is produced according to tight quality specifications and will be prescribed for very specific medical indications/conditions. There are other examples of medicines based on recreational drugs that have been around for years and yet they are still illegal for recreational use.

ScumLord

G Power wrote: »

and like it's already been pointed out the cannabis GW pharmacy uses to produce their oil is for all intents and purposes the same as what can be grown at home. I myself have witnessed very recently someone growing 1 plant in a wardrobe with 7 x 20watt tesco CFL bulbs and getting 90grams of absolutely top quality bud from that one plant.

You're still comparing apples and oranges. I've seen the set up in that place that produces the cannabis spray and it's a proper medical setup. They use a particular strain of the plant that they developed to be high in CBD and not high in THC like most recreational weed. You're paying for a guaranteed strain and have your consumer rights protected by going through legal channels.

some people might see the licencing of a company to sell us what we can grow for ourselves as being enough of a reason to plant seeds themselves fcuk the begrudging government, big pharma, her majesty and uncle sam!!

I can grow my own veg but I've no intention of doing so, there is a sizeable investment in growing your own not to mention the risk of prosecution.

Like with any new product, especially one where one company has cornered the market the product is going to be expensive. Once this has been proven to work more licenses can be granted and price will come down.

You're not not going to go from illegal to legal overnight, there's too much resistance there. It has to be done in small steps so as not to bring about panic in those that have had the evil drugs propaganda forced down their throats.

G Power

ScumLord wrote: »

You're still comparing apples and oranges. I've seen the set up in that place that produces the cannabis spray and it's a proper medical setup. They use a particular strain of the plant that they developed to be high in CBD and not high in THC like most recreational weed. You're paying for a guaranteed strain and have your consumer rights protected by going through legal channels.

I can grow my own veg but I've no intention of doing so, there is a sizeable investment in growing your own not to mention the risk of prosecution.

Like with any new product, especially one where one company has cornered the market the product is going to be expensive. Once this has been proven to work more licenses can be granted and price will come down.

You're not not going to go from illegal to legal overnight, there's too much resistance there. It has to be done in small steps so as not to bring about panic in those that have had the evil drugs propaganda forced down their throats.

they use a particular strain yes, a strain with a "fingerprint" in case they're stolen but this certainly puts an interesting spin on what you're trying to suggest

http://www.belowthelion.co.za/sativex-cannabis-mouth-spray/

The medicine is comprised of the two main chemicals found in the cannabis plant: delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD). It is distributed in a 10ml bottle (90 sprays) and one dosage (~0.11 ml) contains 2.7 mg of THC and 2.5 mg of CBD. According to GW Pharmateuticals, the engineered balance of cannabinoids, coupled with the fact that ingested cannabis is absorbed slower than when it is smoked, ensures that patients will not get high from Sativex.

so why not allow people to grow it themselves and bake with it, it's been well proven that eating it slows down the absorption rate and both heightens and extends the desired effect on the body and mind

The following is quoted from the Sativex website, describing the drug’s side effects:

“The most common side effects with Sativex are dizziness and tiredness.Some people may also feel depressed or confused, may feel over-excited or lose touch with reality, may have difficulties with memory or trouble concentrating and may feel sleepy or giddy. For most people taking Sativex, these side effects are mild to moderate, last only a few hours and can be managed by changing the number of sprays or taking a short break from using the medicine. Side effects are most likely to happen when you start treatment and will often decrease as you become more used to Sativex.”

enough said

as far as the huge investment in growing goes my mate grew 90 grams of large quality buds off 1 plant in a wardrobe in 2.5 months with on 7 x 20watt tesco cfls, where's the investment in that or are you talking time wise??

oh and there is absolutely nothing new about cannabis or it's oil derivative. GW pharmacy would love you to think there is but this is all possible already very simply for people who don't have the money or inclination to line the pockets of thief's and conmen who have lied to us for over 50 years.

Big Davey

I wonder how long it will take for the stuff to start being stolen from chemists and the lab ? There might be a huge black market for this stuff like Viagra in the noughties.......................

Playboy

G Power wrote: »

25 tokes a day ahahahahahahahaha

quick lock that dangerous criminal up immediately ahahahahahahaha

what a fantastic advertisement for regular consumption of cannabis you are.

G Power

Big Davey wrote: »

I wonder how long it will take for the stuff to start being stolen from chemists and the lab ? There might be a huge black market for this stuff like Viagra in the noughties.......................

cannabis is already on the black market since the day they made it illegal over 50 years ago :pac:

Big Davey

G Power wrote: »

cannabis is already on the black market since the day they made it illegal over 50 years ago :pac:

I know ! My point was the medical stuff on the black market.