Equality and discrimination and clubs and pubs

Ranicand

Why is it acceptable in this day and age for low grade morons working on doors to refuse entry to people just because they feel like it with no reason given?

I am not a big fan of nightclubs myself however when I was younger I went to a few and was NEVER involved in any trouble.

The odd time I got the not tonight line once when I was 100% sober and I was told I had too much drink on me.

From talking to others I know this still goes on.

I was with a friend once years ago and we got the not tonight lads line my friend was going to argue but I told him there is no point.
The bouncer on hearing this said go on in lads.

It seems to me a lot of these people are just on a power trip and the fact I surrendered to this bouncer he let us in.
Why did he refuse us in the first place then?

kneemos

No Irish.

Valetta

Why is it acceptable for you to describe doormen as "low grade morons ".

Maybe you should take a look at yourself and your attidude first.

Reamer Fanny

"if your names not down your not coming in!"

Doormen are grand. Like any other job they're covered by using their discretion.

What gets me regarding equality/discrimination and the nightlife trade is the "Ladies in free" type stuff that clubs spout out. Why should someone have free access to a venue based entirely on their gender? I don't understand how that's at all legal.

Mind you, I don't really drink/go out, so it doesn't affect me, but it does bug me when I see nightclubs on Facebook and the likes with the "free entry for women this friday" type stuff. But if you're a man it's €10 or some nonsense like that.

Ranicand

Valetta wrote: »

Why is it acceptable for you to describe doormen as "low grade morons ".

Maybe you should take a look at yourself and your attidude first.

Like I said it only happened me a couple of times.

I did not debate the point with them either.

As regards my other comment if the cap fits.

NothingMan

Only time I was refused was told I was too drunk. In fairness we had just had a jockey back race up to the door... and were also drunk.

Another time I was walking into Citi Bar and was first in the group of us and the bouncer stopped me at the door and asked why was I so nervous. I wasn't nervous until he asked me that and threw me off. Still let me in but made me all paranoid that I had a stressed Eric look about me.

castletownman

Deleted User wrote: »

Doormen are grand. Like any other job they're covered by using their discretion.

What gets me regarding equality/discrimination and the nightlife trade is the "Ladies in free" type stuff that clubs spout out. Why should someone have free access to a venue based entirely on their gender? I don't understand how that's at all legal.

Mind you, I don't really drink/go out, so it doesn't affect me, but it does bug me when I see nightclubs on Facebook and the likes with the "free entry for women this friday" type stuff. But if you're a man it's €10 or some nonsense like that.

Men: "No shirt. No service"

Women: "No shirt? Free drink all night"

bitburger

depends on the bar that one does :pac:

EuskalHerria

I'm sure there are some that are there for a power trip. However you have to realise what a bouncer has to work with. He or she doesn't know your history. They have to base your entry and the safety of patrons inside on very little.

Also thousands of people deal with hundreds of bouncers on a daily basis in this country. You only ever hear from a disgruntled minority every couple of months.

squod

Ranicand wrote: »

Why did he refuse us in the first place then?

Wear a shorter skirt.

Ranicand

squod wrote: »

Wear a shorter skirt.

I am a man.:D

Ranicand

Ranicand wrote: »

I am a man.:D

Wear a longer skirt.

Seachmall

I'd rather they have the discretion to refuse people who are too wasted or are known scumbags even if it means getting rejected.

Although the only time I was told "Not tonight" I managed to talk my way in anyway.

Truncheon Rouge

When you go out you accept this possibility.

You don't lower yourself if they say no.

You take your money elsewhere and advise friends to avoid that place.

rubadub

Ranicand wrote: »

I was with a friend once years ago and we got the not tonight lads line my friend was going to argue but I told him there is no point.
The bouncer on hearing this said go on in lads.

It seems to me a lot of these people are just on a power trip and the fact I surrendered to this bouncer he let us in.
Why did he refuse us in the first place then?

This is a fairly sensible trick some bouncers do. They refuse you to see how you react, if you kick off and start roaring abuse they are thinking "lucky I didn't let this aggressive drunk in, he was acting all sober coming up but now I know it was an act. If some lad had spilled a bit of his pint inside he probably would have kicked off in the same way." So he purposely tries to provoke an aggressive response, gets none, and lets you in knowing you are fine and sober and/or not a troublemaker. Pretty similar to an adult going up to a dog to determine if it is calm enough to allow their kid to pet.

Many want a short chat to gauge how drunk you are. I used to go straight up and say "hi, hows it going lads". If we were refused we could calmly stand aside and quietly start discussing where we would go next, no swearing no nothing, 9/10 they would either call you back and say go on in, or you could try again asking nicely saying you are not drunk or anything, and they would then let you in.

The J Stands for Jay

Ranicand wrote: »

I am a man.:D

Now who's being sexist?

Corvo

There are a few bad eggs on the doors of clubs that do look for a bit of scrap now and again to show off or release a bit of testosterone, but for the most part they are guys dealing with eejits coming up to the door half pissed looking to get in or some scumbum trying to fight half the dance floor.

Even clubs I might frequent, I always make sure to be courteous to the bouncers. I mean, whats the point in doing the opposite? I prefer my nights out not to involve being thrown like a dart through the air ala Jazzy Jeff by some 7 foot meat bag.

Even if I am refused entry, I say feck it, off to some place else and I'll either go back next week and get in or they will call you back as you leave.

At the end of the day, they are only nightclubs. Not the gates to heaven.