M50 Eflow (Northern Reg)

sebastianlieken

I travelled southbound through the M50 Toll on 01/04/2013 with a Northern Reg car and completley forgot to pay the toll by 8pm the next day.

Then on my return trip on 05/04/2013 I again completley forgot to pay.

I admit it was an omition through my own forgetfulness as otherwise I have always paid the toll on time.

If I go onto the eflow website, and choose to pay the penalty (which I asume will be 3.10 + 3.00 +3.10 + 3.00 = €12.20) it is asking me for a reference number [as per letter]. The problem is I havn't recieved a letter yet and I don't want my fine to go up to €39.50.

I live in Belfast, northern Reg. My two week deadline for the letter is fast approaching.

what should I do?

Anan1

Ring them?

joehig

Call them, give them ur reg and dates of when u were on the toll and pay by credit card. there number is 1890 50 10 50

Turner

I would be very surprised if eflow have access to the Uk nvdf.

So if the above is correct sending you a letter or bill would be impossible.

R.O.R

Turner wrote: »

I would be very surprised if eflow have access to the Uk nvdf.

So if the above is correct sending you a letter or bill would be impossible.

It will get there. Not sure how they do it, but Nordy (and UK) reg's get e-flow fines.

westies4ever

It has happened relatives of mine a few times. They've been down for the weekend, gone home and then I get the call a few days later, they forgot about the toll and what to do?

I told them to pay the normal fee online which they've done. No one has had a letter or a bill yet. I'd say its easier/cheaper for eflow to accept the late payment rather than chasing after them.

munchkin_utd

i had the same problem with a foreign reg car and simply paid what should have been paid that couple of days late and rang them to confirm all was fine, which it was thankfully.
A bit like yourself, I clean forgot about the stupid toll which was midway of a 400km+ journey with 2 infants so was the last thing on my mind at the end of that trek.

I have my car now registered with a post pay video account to save hassle in the future, and for the few times ive used it its worked 100%

sebastianlieken

Aww, so I definitely do have to pay it. Ah well, ill send them an email now then

xabi

R.O.R wrote: »

It will get there. Not sure how they do it, but Nordy (and UK) reg's get e-flow fines.

I know loads of people with UK reg who never get fines

sebastianlieken

xabi wrote: »

I know loads of people with UK reg who never get fines

hmmmm, to pay... or not to pay... that, is the question.

eFlow: Reps

Hi sebastianlieken,

All vehicles that pass through the M50 toll have to make a payment for their trips regardless of what country it’s registered in.

If you would like to DM me the registration of the vehicle you were travelling in and confirm the address its registered to, I can check the balance that outstanding and advise how best to proceed.

FYI for anyone that makes an occasional trip on the M50 I would recommend setting up a video account, you will get a 50c discount on the toll and trips are paid automatically. For more info check www.eflow.ie

Standing by if you need assistance,
Ciaran.

Zcott

I got a few M50 fines and I'm from the North. They arrived in the post a couple of weeks later.

If you're making frequent journeys, get a post paid account, and I got a prepaid Euro MasterCard to pay for it.

Turner

eFlow: Reps wrote: »

Hi sebastianlieken,

All vehicles that pass through the M50 toll have to make a payment for their trips regardless of what country it’s registered in.

If you would like to DM me the registration of the vehicle you were travelling in and confirm the address its registered to, I can check the balance that outstanding and advise how best to proceed.

FYI for anyone that makes an occasional trip on the M50 I would recommend setting up a video account, you will get a 50c discount on the toll and trips are paid automatically. For more info check www.eflow.ie

Standing by if you need assistance,
Ciaran.

Does Eflow have access to the Uk and Northern Ireland "National Vehicle Driver File"

And can they obtain registered owners addresses instantly??

I would be very surprised if they did as foreign police forces cant even obtain same without going through the PSNI or Uk Police.

Fred Swanson

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Northern Monkey

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I've got the letter before (about a month after the event) and I was only asked to pay €6.

I've also on occasion forgot to pay within 24 hours and then phoned up before getting a letter (probably within a week of using the M50) and only been asked to pay €3 per trip, so if anything they are more lenient on NI reg cars.

Although saying that, paying it online with my NI bank card is expensive as the bank charges me a foreign currency fee of £3+ for each payment, so a €3 toll can end up costing me £6+, so where possible I try to pay it in a shop on the way home.

Fred Swanson

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lomb

Toll roads are a questionable concept in this country. They toll the bridge that costs pence (free land/airspace) versus the road that costs millions (much land to buy and tarmac to lay) .There is technically no contract entered into by the vehicle driver and therefore no debt can be enforced. Most certainly not in the UK. I would be very surprised if anything is forceably recovered there as it would probably be illegal.

gallag

I drove down this road last week (ni reg) and was genuinely confused, did not know you could have a toll rd with no booth??? I seen signs saying pay by 8 tomorrow, how the hell are you ment to take email adresses etc when driving? Especially when its sprung on you. Anyway I shall ignore all leters as I never enterd a dept contract. Simple.

ardmacha

They toll the bridge that costs pence (free land/airspace)

What planet are you on? How on earth could a 6 lane bridge across an entire valley cost pence!

I drove down this road last week (ni reg) and was genuinely confused, did not know you could have a toll rd with no booth??? I seen signs saying pay by 8 tomorrow, how the hell are you ment to take email adresses etc when driving? Especially when its sprung on you. Anyway I shall ignore all leters as I never enterd a dept contract. Simple.

You drove on the road, so you entered a contract. Just as you park somewhere you have to pay for it. Odd that you can manage to get on the Internet and find the right thread to post in, but somehow you cannot find out how to pay.

mfceiling

Turner wrote: »

I would be very surprised if eflow have access to the Uk nvdf.

So if the above is correct sending you a letter or bill would be impossible.

They must have some sort of access. Dad forgot to pay it and received a letter a few days later in tyrone.

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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No debt collectors are used as far as i know. Lots of the lads in work drive northern reg vehicles and every one of them have received letters to their homes in the north. Some pay up, some ignore. The ignored ones keep getting more letters but here's a funny thing - when they re-tax their vehicle in the north, the letters stop coming!!

markpb

lomb wrote: »

There is technically no contract entered into by the vehicle driver and therefore no debt can be enforced. Most certainly not in the UK. I would be very surprised if anything is forceably recovered there as it would probably be illegal.

Jesus, how long has the new tolling system been around and people are still peddling this codswallop!?

The M50 is tollable by national law, there's no contract needed. Did you sign a contract with Revenue letting them take taxes from your salary? There have been a lot of court cases taken by eFlow and I haven't heard about any of them being lost yet because there's no contract or because tolls are unconstitutional or any other rubbish.

The UK may be excluded but I suspect the numbers using the M50 and not paying from there are so low that no-one really cares.

lomb

This is Ireland, the voted government (ie the PEOPLE) can do whatever they like and enforce their will on the majority. A British car enters into no such banana republic contract to toll a bridge when the road is free and paid for by the taxpayer. Brown envelopes spring to mind..

markpb

lomb wrote: »

This is Ireland, the voted government (ie the PEOPLE) can do whatever they like and enforce their will on the majority. A British car enters into no such banana republic contract to toll a bridge when the road is free and paid for by the taxpayer. Brown envelopes spring to mind..

The road cost the people €600 million to buy from NTR.

lomb

markpb wrote: »

The road cost the people €600 million to buy from NTR.

Thats very odd though isnt it if true? The Government is the ONLY entity afaik that can legally issue compulsory purchase orders to take peoples land for what they want. Why would they issue orders, then buy the land from a third party(at an inflated cost presumably )

ardmacha

A British car enters into no such banana republic contract to toll a bridge when the road is free and paid for by the taxpayer.

Oh right, odd that when Britain has several such tolls on bridges and tunnels and they even charge you to go into the centre of their capital city.

The toll bridge may not have been ideally organised, but it did cost quite a bit to build and is very convenient.

markpb

lomb wrote: »

Thats very odd though isnt it if true? The Government is the ONLY entity afaik that can legally issue compulsory purchase orders to take peoples land for what they want. Why would they issue orders, then buy the land from a third party(at an inflated cost presumably )

It's not odd at all. The government signed a contract with NTR letting them build the road (when the government couldn't afford to) in return for the right to toll it for 30 years. The contract allowed the government to buy back the bridge at any time but they would be forced to pay a (large) percentage of the estimated tolls that NTR would have received over the remaining life of the contract. This is what they did and the cost agreed was €600 million.

They could CPO the bridge all they liked but the contract would still stand and the amount still be due to them.

ardmacha

Perhaps they should offer a free airspace lane for Lomb and others who do not wish to use the bridge and who are equipped with flying cars.

eFlow: Reps

Hi All

All vehicles (except Motor bikes and exempt vehicles) that travel on the M50 must make a payment for the use of the toll road regardless of where the vehicle is registered to.

For vehicles registered outside of the republic of Ireland, we don't have ready access to the vehicle driver files outside of Ireland, so if tolls go unpaid then the trips are transferred to solicitors and they will investigate who the owner and they will attempt to contact the owners to seek payment for tolls.

To avoid all this vehicles can be registered for automatic payment regardless of what country they are registered to. This will get you a discount on the tolls and all trips are paid automatically. For more info have a look on www.eflow.ie .

I hope that helps,
Ciaran.