Another Mass Shooting

Sunnyisland

This time in Serbia,Serbia ranks in 5th place on the List of countries by gun ownership. Gun culture is strong among Serbs and traditionally important part of rural life. It seems that are no way incidents like this can be stopped ?

Six men, six women and a two-year-old boy died before the gunman tried to kill himself and his wife. The pair are now said to be in a serious condition.

Police identified the gunman as Ljubisa Bogdanovica 60-year-old war veteran.

The victims were reported to be relatives and neighbours of Bogdanovic, and included his mother and son.

The shootings took place in several houses in Velika Ivanca, about 50km (30 miles) south-east of the capital at about 0500 local time (0300 GMT).

Local residents said the gunman, armed with a 9mm handgun, killed his son before leaving the house and shooting dead neighbours, some of whom were still asleep.

"He knocked on the doors, and as they were opened he just fired a shot,'' villager Radovan Radosavljevic was quoted by the Associated Press as saying.

"He was a good neighbour and anyone would open their doors to him. I don't know what happened."

All but one of the victims died instantly, police said.

Serbian police chief Milorad Veljovic, who is at the scene, told RTS that the gunman was "from a peaceful family and had no criminal record".

"We're all just stunned," Mr Veljovic said.

The suspect is reported to have been made redundant last year. He fought as a Serb soldier in the war in Croatia in 1991.

The motive for the attack was not immediately clear.

In a similar attack in Serbia in 2007, a 39-year-old man shot dead nine people and injured two others in a village in the east of the country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22076650

Systemic Risk

Every time there is a mass shooting in a foreign country are we going to have the same stupid boring argument here in AH about gun control.

hairyprincess

Systemic Risk wrote: »

Every time there is a mass shooting in a foreign country are we going to have the same stupid boring argument here in AH about gun control.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Its pretty simple.

RIP to those who died. And strength and support to their families, friends and neighbours.

spankysue

Such a terrible thing to happen.

May all the victims R.I.P.

Sunnyisland

Systemic Risk wrote: »

Every time there is a mass shooting in a foreign country are we going to have the same stupid boring argument here in AH about gun control.

No, Only every time there is a mass shooting in the USA we have the same arguments about gun control.

Fr_Dougal

Only in A....Serbia.

Rip.

arybvtcw0eolkf

A veteran of the Balkans war, a particularly nasty war too.. Probably a lot of post trumatic stress going on, lack of support for vets and firearms within easy reach.. This probably won't be the last from there either.

Poor people, the effects of war are far reaching and long lasting.

books4sale

Systemic Risk wrote: »

Every time there is a mass shooting in a foreign country are we going to have the same stupid boring argument here in AH about gun control.

......a new day coming where there will be zero gun control in every home in country. It's a pointless argument!

3D printers.

Clandestine

Sounds like a man who had enough of his situation decided to do something about it, hence why he only shot up his own village and did not go further.

BattleCorp

books4sale wrote: »

......a new day coming where there will be zero gun control in every home in country. It's a pointless argument!

3D printers.

That's a very very good point. A 3d printer would knock out a gun very easy once you had the plans.

My name is URL

Not too sure how confident I'd be firing a gun created entirely via 3D Printing! Even injection molded plastic wouldn't be strong enough for that purpose.

Sounds like a good way to lose a few fingers.

BASHIR

BattleCorp wrote: »

That's a very very good point. A 3d printer would knock out a gun very easy once you had the plans.

Assuming you had the technology ie a printer that prints compatible material. The plans would most likely be the easiest part. the plan files could be easily distributed on the internet and downloaded exactly like a torrent. I'm not saying they would be easy to get just that if you knew where to look. You wouldn't need to be a firearms expert to make one.

BattleCorp

My name is URL wrote: »

Not too sure how confident I'd be firing a gun created entirely via 3D Printing! Even injection molded plastic wouldn't be strong enough for that purpose.

Sounds like a good way to lose a few fingers.

That's now. What will the technology be like in 10 years time.

Auldloon

Ya a gun with a plastic chamber and barrel not so scary.

BattleCorp

Auldloon wrote: »

Ya a gun with a plastic chamber and barrel not so scary.

Plastics can be designed to be as hard as steel, if not harder. A bit more scary now eh?

My name is URL

BattleCorp wrote: »

That's now. What will the technology be like in 10 years time.

I'm counting on being able to have lasers installed in my eye sockets by then, so there'll be no need for guns.

BattleCorp

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm counting on being able to have lasers installed in my eye sockets by then, so there'll be no need for guns.

Google glasses are half way there to that.

MadsL

'Merica! Oh wait...

MadsL

Systemic Risk wrote: »

Every time there is a mass shooting in a foreign country are we going to have the same stupid boring argument here in AH about gun control.

Happy to help

MadsL

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm counting on being able to have lasers installed in my eye sockets by then, so there'll be no need for guns.

In the meantime the Shark mounted ones are frickin' awesome!

StickyIcky

BASHIR wrote: »

Assuming you had the technology ie a printer that prints compatible material. The plans would most likely be the easiest part. the plan files could be easily distributed on the internet and downloaded exactly like a torrent. I'm not saying they would be easy to get just that if you knew where to look. You wouldn't need to be a firearms expert to make one.

They're easy to get I was looking at a website specifically designed for hosting them and accepting submissions for them and testing them. It's a small group who believe everyone should have access to them. Kinda crazy.

MadsL

but Serbia has quite strict gun control...???

Tox56

MadsL wrote: »

but Serbia has quite strict gun control...???

If the stat in the OP is anything to go by I doubt it

NuckingFacker

BattleCorp wrote: »

Plastics can be designed to be as hard as steel, if not harder. A bit more scary now eh?

Good luck printing gunpowder though:)

StickyIcky

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Good luck printing gunpowder though:)

Ammo is easier to buy than guns

MadsL

Tox56 wrote: »

If the stat in the OP is anything to go by I doubt it

A civil war in recent history tends to boost numbers. especially when it involved ethnic 'cleansing'. Gun ownership is not a right in Serbia.

NuckingFacker

StickyIcky wrote: »

Ammo is easier to buy than guns

The total opposite is actually true:) Can have a handgun in about 30 minutes. Ammo? That's a.Dearer and b. scarcer. Unless you mean shotgun cartridges or .22 rimfires.:) Those are like muck,- everywhere.

shane547

Wonder how many were hoping this was another US shooting so they can go off on a tirade on big bad guns

Gran Hermano

Does the fact the shooter was a 60 year old mean it's less likely we can blame evil computer games as the cause?

Paddy Cow

Francis Small Poetess wrote: »

A veteran of the Balkans war, a particularly nasty war too.. Probably a lot of post trumatic stress going on, lack of support for vets and firearms within easy reach.. This probably won't be the last from there either.

Poor people, the effects of war are far reaching and long lasting.

I'm not making light of this tragedy but if this was an episode of Criminal Minds, there would be some trigger which initiated his PTSD. No sane person without a previous record would one day take up his gun and kill his family and neighbours. It's truly shocking. RIP to everyone who died.

MadsL

shane547 wrote: »

Wonder how many were hoping this was another US shooting so they can go off on a tirade on big bad guns

American guns are the bad guns. Everyone else's guns are the "unfortunate" guns.

Paddy Cow

shane547 wrote: »

Wonder how many were hoping this was another US shooting so they can go off on a tirade on big bad guns

MadsL wrote: »

American guns are the bad guns. Everyone else's guns are the "unfortunate" guns.

It doesn't matter where this happened, it's still fcuked up.

MadsL

Paddy Cow wrote: »

It doesn't matter where this happened, it's still fcuked up.

Yeah, but when it happens in America, it is America that is fcuked up, when it happens elsewhere it is the person.

Just an observation on what I have learnt from AH.

Manic Moran

My name is URL wrote: »

Not too sure how confident I'd be firing a gun created entirely via 3D Printing! Even injection molded plastic wouldn't be strong enough for that purpose.

Sounds like a good way to lose a few fingers.

Not sure what the problem is with injection molded plastic. My SIG P2340 is made with the stuff. So's every Glock, the Springfield XD, and a whole bunch of other polymer guns which are lighter and just as reliable as the steel-framed ones.

As for 3D printed guns, they work. This is, under US law, a 3D printed firearm.

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They have another video up of them emptying a 50-round magazine.

Now, so far, not all the components are plastic. The hammer/trigger/sear, bolt and most importantly, barrel, are still standard forged and machined metal. But considering this time last year their receiver broke after only six rounds, I don't expect it will be very long before a full 3D printed firearm is functional.