What do "í" and "é" mean in this context?

MaryKirwan

I've seen it come up twice, so here are they are:

1) "Ní bhfuair Ben toisc gurb í a dheirfiúr a bhí ann".
2)"Dála an scéil, ba bhean í duine acu".

(Maybe the contexts are different?)

FWVT

I only see í mentioned there but both í and é, along with the copula "is", are part how to define someone, e.g. a sister, doctor, etc. and not describing them. For example

Is doctúir é - He is a doctor
Is múinteóir í - She is a teacher

It's not right to say Tá sí múinteóir.

Gumbi

FWVT wrote: »

I only see í mentioned there but both í and é, along with the copula "is", are part how to define someone, e.g. a sister, doctor, etc. and not describing them. For example

Is doctúir é - He is a doctor
Is múinteóir í - She is a teacher

It's not right to say Tá sí múinteóir.

No fada over the o in múinteoir.

Gumbi

MaryKirwan wrote: »

I've seen it come up twice, so here are they are:

1) "Ní bhfuair Ben toisc gurb í a dheirfiúr a bhí ann".
2)"Dála an scéil, ba bhean í duine acu".

(Maybe the contexts are different?)

The first is missing something I think. It means "Ben did get [missing] because it was his sister that was there".

The second is "By the way, on of 'em was a woman".

FWVT

Gumbi wrote: »

The first is missing something I think. It means "Ben did get [missing] because it was his sister that was there".

I think it means "Ben didn't get it because...." as in he didn't cop it.

Prodigious

The í in the first one is referring to Ben's sister.

Literally translated: Ben did not understand that it was her that was his sister.
So in other words: Ben did not understand it was his sister.

Gumbi

Prodigious wrote: »

The í in the first one is referring to Ben's sister.

Literally translated: Ben did not understand that it was her that was his sister.
So in other words: Ben did not understand it was his sister.

There is no "subject" in the sentence. (Is that the right term). Are you interpreting "ní bhfuair Ben í" as the literal "he didn't get her" as in "he didn't UNDERSTAND her"???

Prodigious

Gumbi wrote: »

There is no "subject" in the sentence. (Is that the right term). Are you interpreting "ní bhfuair Ben í" as the literal "he didn't get her" as in "he didn't UNDERSTAND her"???

This is a sentence taken out of context.

I imagine it went something like this.
(On the assumption that Ní bhfuair Ben toisc = Níor thuig Ben)

Chonaic Ben cailín a bhí ina seasamh amuigh sa chlós. Níor thuig sé gurb í a dheirfiúr a bhí ann.

Prodigious

Ah, I see what you mean now. It's missing what he didn't get.

As in:

" Ní bhfuair Ben an Shift, toisc gurb í a dheirfiúr a bhí ann "

Gumbi

Prodigious wrote: »

Ah, I see what you mean now. It's missing what he didn't get.

As in:

" Ní bhfuair Ben an Shift, toisc gurb í a dheirfiúr a bhí ann "

Yep. I think the original is missing something. Or it's horrible Béarlachas (literally translation the idiom "to get something" as in to understand som.ething)

deirdremf

MaryKirwan wrote: »

I've seen it come up twice, so here are they are:

1) "Ní bhfuair Ben toisc gurb í a dheirfiúr a bhí ann".
2)"Dála an scéil, ba bhean í duine acu".

(Maybe the contexts are different?)

1. As some other people have said, there is a mistake in the first sentence, something seems to be missing from the first part of the sentence. However, the clause after "toisc" is fine, so here goes:
The word "í" refers to "a dheirfiúr" - a feminine noun, so you refer to it with the feminine pronoun. "...because it/she was his sister"

2. the word "í" refers to to "bean" - again, a feminine noun, so you refer to it with the feminine pronoun. "one of them was a woman" or "a woman was among them".

The structures are different to English, so you can't really do word for word translations.

MaryKirwan

The sentence before the one about Ben is "Fuair Daithi agus Páid an chéad phóg s'acu ón gcaillín céanna fiú. Ní bhfuair Ben..." (the sentence I first typed out).

I know it means that he didn't get a kiss 'cause his sister was there, I just didn't understand the structure. It just LOOKED like that's what it meant. But I'd have liked to have understood the structure too.

An gal gréine

MaryKirwan wrote: »

The sentence before the one about Ben is "Fuair Daithi agus Páid an chéad phóg s'acu ón gcaillín céanna fiú. Ní bhfuair Ben..." (the sentence I first typed out).

I know it means that he didn't get a kiss 'cause his sister was there, I just didn't understand the structure. It just LOOKED like that's what it meant. But I'd have liked to have understood the structure too.

With the knowledge of the previous sentence we can conclude that 'an phóg' although not said in the second sentence is understood to be there; so it's
'ní bhfuair Ben an phóg toisc gurb í a dheirfiúr a bhí ann'
She was'nt going to kiss her brother.

deirdremf

An gal gréine wrote: »

With the knowledge of the previous sentence we can conclude that 'an phóg' although not said in the second sentence is understood to be there; so it's
'ní bhfuair Ben an phóg toisc gurb í a dheirfiúr a bhí ann'
She was'nt going to kiss her brother.

Okay, that gives the context, - the reference to the word "póg" was missing.
I'd say that "toisc gurbh í a dheirfiúr a bhí inti" or
"toisc gurbh í a dheirfiúr í" would be clearer.
"... because she (i.e. the girl they kissed) was Ben's sister."

Using the word "ann", and taking the sentence out of context makes it seem like "because ben's sister was there".

An gal gréine

I think the text is fine once the two sentences are shown.