Plastic Bottles every bloody where

Lando Griffin

Plastic Bottles.

There should be a bring back refund of 5 cent added to the price of product placed in a plastic bottle introduced in this country IMO.

I was driving on the Motorway at the weekend and pulled into a parking area only to find the place full of plastic bottle litter.

If there was a 5 cent refunded for a plastic bottle, I would bet any money give a year there would be feck all bottles thrown around the place in ditches and the like.

Look at places like San Francisco where there is a bring back refund and all the bag ladies and gentlemen with trolly loads of plastic bottles worth money.

Im sick of it, absolutely sick of them, everywhere.

You know, Bill Cullens girlfriend said on the LLS show that she often felt like getting out of the car and cutting the grass on the side of the road, its people like her we need running the country.

Bring it in I say.

JohnnyChimpo

Populations of plastic bottles used to be kept in check by their natural predator, the common swan. Since the influx of Polish immigrants hungry for swan disrupted this fragile ecosystem, things have been getting out of hand.

Conmaicne Mara

In before the other first world problems.

Skid X

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Bill Cullens girlfriend ... its people like her we need running the country.

I was with you until this point.

Lawrence1895

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Plastic Bottles.

There should be a bring back refund of 5 cent added to the price of product placed in a plastic bottle introduced in this country IMO.

I was driving on the Motorway at the weekend and pulled into a parking area only to find the place full of plastic bottle litter.

If there was a 5 cent refunded for a plastic bottle, I would bet any money give a year there would be feck all bottles thrown around the place in ditches and the like.

Look at places like San Francisco where there is a bring back refund and all the bag ladies and gentlemen with trolly loads of plastic bottles worth money.

Im sick of it, absolutely sick of them, everywhere.

You know, Bill Cullens girlfriend said on the LLS show that she often felt like getting out of the car and cutting the grass on the side of the road, its people like her we need running the country.

Bring it in I say.

It's a good system, I know it from Germany. Doesn't even need much effort, they have them machines in LIDL, you throw in your bottles and get a voucher in return.

Rented Mule

It should be more than 5 cents.

mikom

Lando Griffin wrote: »

You know, Bill Cullens girlfriend said on the LLS show that she often felt like getting out of the car and cutting the grass on the side of the road,

Don't blame her.
I'd also do anything to get out of a car containing Bill Cullen.

Tiddlypeeps

I don't know why they don't do that over here. They had this system when I was in Norway and it worked really well. I assume it's cheaper for the manufacturer too. The bottles were made of a heavier plastic and they always looked slightly worn. I assume the bottles just get washed and reused.

You pretty much borrow the bottle from them with a deposit of 5c just incase you don't return it, which you get back if you do return it.

antodeco

A 5c refund on them would be an excellent idea. Would probably work out cheaper in the long run, than hiring cleaners to clean them all up!

tunedout

Lando Griffin wrote: »

You know, Bill Cullens girlfriend said on the LLS show that she often felt like getting out of the car and cutting the grass on the side of the road, its people like her we need running the country.

I think we have enough people that felt like doing things and did f*ck all in the end running the country.

sh1tstirrer

Lando Griffin wrote: »

You know, Bill Cullens girlfriend said on the LLS show that she often felt like getting out of the car and cutting the grass on the side of the road, its people like her we need running the country.

Bring it in I say.

Yes but she never did. Actions speak louder than words

paddydriver

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Plastic BottlesMen.

You know, Bill Cullens girlfriend said on the LLS show that she often felt like getting out of the car and cutting the grass burying Bill on the side of the road, its people like her we need running the country.

Bring it in I say.

Now were talking...

wexie

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Plastic Bottles.

There should be a bring back refund of 5 cent added to the price of product placed in a plastic bottle introduced in this country IMO.

I was driving on the Motorway at the weekend and pulled into a parking area only to find the place full of plastic bottle litter.

If there was a 5 cent refunded for a plastic bottle, I would bet any money give a year there would be feck all bottles thrown around the place in ditches and the like.

Look at places like San Francisco where there is a bring back refund and all the bag ladies and gentlemen with trolly loads of plastic bottles worth money.

Im sick of it, absolutely sick of them, everywhere.

You know, Bill Cullens girlfriend said on the LLS show that she often felt like getting out of the car and cutting the grass on the side of the road, its people like her we need running the country.

Bring it in I say.

Probably doesn't help much that there are no bins on any of the (ridiculously few) places you can actually pull over safely on the motorways.
(not that that's an excuse to just feck them out of the car, but at least if there was somewhere to put them people might make the effort)

There's no arguing it's gotten a lot better but the facilities on our motorway network (if you can call it that) are positively third world.

Boo2112

I find takeaway bags and boxes the worst offenders on roads tbh. Always think its an animal too and nearly send myself flying through the windscreen in the process of trying to stop in time. Wouldn't have noticed as many bottles.

its funny, I remember years ago, when the 'notion' as it was called to start selling bottled water. People were sceptical, as in 'who'd buy bottled water, sure the tap is full of it...'

mad soz it is,mad

af_thefragile

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Look at places like San Francisco where there is a bring back refund and all the bag ladies and gentlemen with trolly loads of plastic bottles worth money.

This looks like a great idea!!

I too hate it when you go to some nice place and its littered with beer cans and plastic bottles. At least beer cans will eventually degrade as its just aluminium but plastic bottles will simply remain like that for thousands of years polluting the environment!

Lawrence1895

Rented Mule wrote: »

It should be more than 5 cents.

25 cents in Germany, afaik

books4sale

Some Irish people are pig ignorant ....simple as!

Don't give tuppence about anyone or anything else, just themselves, their house, their car, their money .... its all about them!

They come in all shapes and sizes.

MadsL

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

In before the other first world problems.

Littering is not a first world problem :mad: It is a masive global environmental issue. Where do you suppose the caps go?..they float. Down drains, into streams and rivers and into the Irish sea, to be carried worldwide. Many larger seabirds end up eating them.

http://www.sott.net/article/191572-A-Plague-of-Plastic (graphic image)

Litter affects everyone on the planet.

af_thefragile

^True. Plastic trash is one of the biggest global problem threatening the world today.

meoklmrk91

I think it's a great idea, especially if they had facilities at the supermarkets, you could just take them back when doing your shopping and get the money, I think 5c is a bit mean though 20c sounds grand.

Chinasea

Unfortunately the useless Minister for the Environment announced yesterday that he will continue to do nothing about the cursed plastic bottles that lay strewn the length and breath of the country. As discussed the deposit and refund system has been very successful in addressing this problem in many of the cleaned up countries that it operates in.

I too believe, that just like the introduction of the plastic bag levy, the nation would really get behind this nasty omnipresent problem, and we could finally see a major part of our litter problem abating.

It is up to us to try and bring this about. Don't let this incentive die.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/minister-for-environment-scraps-plans-to-introduce-packaging-levy-1.1524305

Amirani

Lars1916 wrote: »

It's a good system, I know it from Germany. Doesn't even need much effort, they have them machines in LIDL, you throw in your bottles and get a voucher in return.

What tends to happen as well is you have homeless people who go around collecting bottles in order to get the refund. It saves you having to go to a recycling centre and it keeps the streets clean.

ScumLord

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

I don't know why they don't do that over here.

Because there's no profit in it for the government. They operate like a corporation only interested in profit for the state, if this was a 5c tax on bottles they'd be all over it.

Chinasea

ScumLord wrote: »

Because there's no profit in it for the government. They operate like a corporation only interested in profit for the state, if this was a 5c tax on bottles they'd be all over it.

Don't think too many people would get up in arms if they lobbed a mere 5c on to a bottle of coke or lucozade or whatever. It would surely be a win win situation.

I am pie

Was in Bali this time last year, you have never seen anything like it in terms of plastic pollution. Sad, sickening and depressing in parts. Beautiful country blighted by plastic bottles and bags....and in parts Australian knackers.....but that's another story.

ScumLord

Chinasea wrote: »

Don't think too many people would get up in arms if they lobbed a mere 5c on to a bottle of coke or lucozade or whatever. It would surely be a win win situation.

I was saying that it was a bad thing. The tax would just be more revenue for the government, that tax would disappear down a black hole and we'd be stuck with the same problem.

biko

Was at a festival in Denmark where they have 5 cents or summat for cans.
Once you were finished with a can some beggar would practically rip the empty tin out of your hand.

Ray Palmer

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

In before the other first world problems.

Except this is a real problem effecting everybody and the natural world.

Chinasea

I even saw an empty Luzocade bottle wedged into one of the stones near the burial tomb in Newgrange.

crockholm

In Sweden they have a pant(pledge) system,there's a little bar code on the side of cans and small bottles of 1sKr-about 12 cents,and 2 sKr on the litre+ bottles. You refund them at machines at your local shop.If you don't feel for carrying home a can or bottle,the gentlemen of the street won't be long in recycling your bottle,very pro-active.

Looking through the IT piece with phil hogan,it does not make sense,none.This is not some pilot scheme,it is tried and trusted and works a charm in much of Europe,therefore I must only conclude that the minister is just un-motivated,disinterested,myopic and idiotic.

The people in Ireland NEED to insist on this system being brought in.

Stella Virgo

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Plastic Bottles.

There should be a bring back refund of 5 cent added to the price of product placed in a plastic bottle introduced in this country IMO.

I was driving on the Motorway at the weekend and pulled into a parking area only to find the place full of plastic bottle litter.

If there was a 5 cent refunded for a plastic bottle, I would bet any money give a year there would be feck all bottles thrown around the place in ditches and the like.

Look at places like San Francisco where there is a bring back refund and all the bag ladies and gentlemen with trolly loads of plastic bottles worth money.

Im sick of it, absolutely sick of them, everywhere.

You know, Bill Cullens girlfriend said on the LLS show that she often felt like getting out of the car and cutting the grass on the side of the road, its people like her we need running the country.

Bring it in I say.

wud ya blame her....who the **** would be seen in a RENAULT, for fecks sake....:pac::pac::pac:

MurdyWurdy

I've seen worse. I went for a walk yesterday down to the beach and somebody had just dumped a black sack of dirty disposable nappies on the cliffs. They were strewn everywhere. Makes me ridiculously angry, especially as we use cloth reusable nappies to reduce our waste and some scumbag won't even put theirs in the bin, even finding a public bin to dump them in. What is wrong with people?

SpaceTime

A few cent on the bottle might work, but I think there's a bit of a cultural issue here with littering. It's improved a lot in a most areas, but there are still some issues and people throwing bottles out of car windows should be dealt with simply with a nice random €250 fine every so often.

It'd soon cut it out.

A 5 cent refund, would just encourage the people who would probably recycle the bottles anyway (i.e. most people) to be even nicer about it.

The 5% or so who are just complete morons and don't give a damn wouldn't be motivated by 5cent.

1 penalty point and €250 for throwing litter out the window of a moving vehicle might help though!

MurdyWurdy

SpaceTime wrote: »

A few cent on the bottle might work, but I think there's a bit of a cultural issue here with littering. It's improved a lot in a most areas, but there are still some issues and people throwing bottles out of car windows should be dealt with simply with a nice random €250 fine every so often.

It'd soon cut it out.

A 5 cent refund, would just encourage the people who would probably recycle the bottles anyway (i.e. most people) to be even nicer about it.

The 5% or so who are just complete morons and don't give a damn wouldn't be motivated by 5cent.

1 penalty point and €250 for throwing litter out the window of a moving vehicle might help though!

I think the OPs point is that other people would go around and collect the bottles to get some cash, like in thevStates where homeless people collect cans and bottles from around the streets. Not that the people buying the bottles in the first place would do it (although I'm sure some would)

Guy:Incognito

5c isn't going to stop ignorant ****ers throwing litter (they have plenty of other litter to drop too) . It's about upbringing and respect.

hfallada

It worked in Germany for the first few years. Now not even half of bottles and cans in Germany have the refundable bottle tax on them. Producers have used loopholes like producing a bottle that is 3001ml as there is no tax above 3 litres or using cartons.

Maybe if there was more bins about people wouldn't dump. But in dublin city your lucky to find a bin every 400 metres in the suburbs

Guy:Incognito

hfallada wrote: »

Maybe if there was more bins about people wouldn't dump. But in dublin city your lucky to find a bin every 400 metres in the suburbs

Maybe if people weren't knackers they wouldn't dump it on the street. If the same people at upstairs in their house and the bin is in the kitchen do they just drop it on the floor?

Legs.Eleven

Brilliant idea. Why aren't we doing this?



I spend a lot of time recycling my stuff but apparently most of it gets dumped in the end anyway.


Someone there mentioned the fact that in Norway, they simply rewash the bottles/containers and use them again. I would have no problem with that at all but I can imagine many would.

stoneill

Bring back glass bottles - oh wait, they sold that place that makes them.

MadsL

it met strong resistance from retailers, Ibec, which represents employers and Repak

Ah, vested interests, lads, we can't go upsetting the vested interests...

ScumLord

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

5c isn't going to stop ignorant ****ers throwing litter (they have plenty of other litter to drop too) .

It might not but at least it incentivises people that could use the money to go around collecting the bottles when they see them.

tara73

hfallada wrote: »

It worked in Germany for the first few years. Now not even half of bottles and cans in Germany have the refundable bottle tax on them. Producers have used loopholes like producing a bottle that is 3001ml as there is no tax above 3 litres or using cartons.

Maybe if there was more bins about people wouldn't dump. But in dublin city your lucky to find a bin every 400 metres in the suburbs

it still works in germany. there are some cans and plastic bottles which doesn't have a refund on it but the majority has.
most glass bottles too. refund varies from 8 cent mostly for glass and 25 cent for plastic.

there's a whole new business out there who generate or up their income ('income' is good, sure mostly people on the dole) from collecting these bottles. like some other poster said, they sometimes stand in front of you, waiting for you to finish the drink to get the bottle...:)

it's a good system, it would definately help the littering in Ireland.

losthorizon

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Plastic Bottles.

There should be a bring back refund of 5 cent added to the price of product placed in a plastic bottle introduced in this country IMO.

I was driving on the Motorway at the weekend and pulled into a parking area only to find the place full of plastic bottle litter.

If there was a 5 cent refunded for a plastic bottle, I would bet any money give a year there would be feck all bottles thrown around the place in ditches and the like.

Look at places like San Francisco where there is a bring back refund and all the bag ladies and gentlemen with trolly loads of plastic bottles worth money.

Im sick of it, absolutely sick of them, everywhere.

You know, Bill Cullens girlfriend said on the LLS show that she often felt like getting out of the car and cutting the grass on the side of the road, its people like her we need running the country.

Bring it in I say.

I agree about Plastic Bottles and things. The amount of that crap floating on the seas and destroying fish and wildlife like Whales and Dolphins is unreal. The amount of crap that is washed up on our beaches is huge and if it wasnt for the fact that they are cleaned every now and again they would be unusable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxNqzAHGXvs

About her cutting the grass you have to be very careful. Roadsides are a great place for wildlife and the cutting down of hedgerows and mechinsation of farms has seen a lot of our species disappear. I know in Wexford they are doing a trial of not cutting this year to see what effect it would have.

Lapin

biko wrote: »

Was at a festival in Denmark where they have 5 cents or summat for cans.
Once you were finished with a can some beggar would practically rip the empty tin out of your hand.

But was he actually a beggar though ?


The saddest thing about reading this thread is the suggestion that there is a need to incentivise people not to drop litter.

Its also staggering that some people are suggesting that 5 cent is too mean and call for 20 or 25 cent per can / bottle instead.

Aren't cans purchased for recycling by weight rather than quantity ?

kowloon

NiallSparky wrote: »

What tends to happen as well is you have homeless people who go around collecting bottles in order to get the refund. It saves you having to go to a recycling centre and it keeps the streets clean.

Our government are actually working on the issue, they're currently working on creating all the homeless people they'll need for when the scheme is rolled out.

Femme_Fatale

The packaging charge for businesses idea was abandoned. Now I'd NEVER be one to suggest that this could be due to the government having vested business interests... :pac:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/minister-for-environment-scraps-plans-to-introduce-packaging-levy-1.1524305

kowloon

losthorizon wrote: »

About her cutting the grass you have to be very careful. Roadsides are a great place for wildlife and the cutting down of hedgerows and mechinsation of farms has seen a lot of our species disappear. I know in Wexford they are doing a trial of not cutting this year to see what effect it would have.

They cut the hedgerows late here, probably massacred the inhabitants of a lot of nests. Another guy living nearby sprays all the hedgerows and grass with defoliant.