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Palmerstown House

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    Jazzzman wrote: »
    Your knowledge is from what source though?

    It's the usual 'I heard this' or 'I have it on good authority that..' stuff.

    And your right, the risk isn't great as you can cancel the direct debit. The risk I was talking about was the risk of putting the effort into joining a new club and hoping its a success.

    This place is a very big risk right now and saying stuff like they're investing x amount in y is always dodgy IMO.

    Whereas i generally agree with your point, is there any sure bet when it come to golf clubs? Is there any club that is actually rock solid?

    Palmerstown is a great setup, quality track and if it can grow in any meaningful way it has a chance at being one of the best so I personally think at the price on offer it is a well worth punt for anyone looking for a new club in the areal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Jazzzman


    kkelliher wrote: »
    Whereas i generally agree with your point, is there any sure bet when it come to golf clubs? Is there any club that is actually rock solid?

    Palmerstown is a great setup, quality track and if it can grow in any meaningful way it has a chance at being one of the best so I personally think at the price on offer it is a well worth punt for anyone looking for a new club in the areal

    I agree with your points too. My own club is quite solid and I know this from knowing the books. I feel secure in committing to it for the foreseeable future.

    Palmerstown has all the right ingredients but its a strange set up right now. A top class course and facilities (with some work required) for a bargain price. A too good to be true type scenario.

    If people are happy to get a year, maybe two out of this deal and then move on/pay more then I'd say go for it.

    If it is was me and I was looking to join a new club in the area, I'd probably go elsewhere with a solid base.

    It really depends what your after and what your expectations are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Heard it is a great set up.

    But a very long hard course. Is a medal going to take 5 hours. Not exactly a place you could pop down for a quick 9 ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Did they buy the whole estate, or just the course, club house & range?

    It's an enormous amount of land to maintain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    Did they buy the whole estate, or just the course, club house & range?

    It's an enormous amount of land to maintain

    They bought the entire with a view to having a stud onsite.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭jayunot777


    Heard it is a great set up.

    But a very long hard course. Is a medal going to take 5 hours. Not exactly a place you could pop down for a quick 9 ?


    I am not to sure if the 9th hole leads back to the club house or not ??

    I played in a 2 ball there the weekend and wasnt really held up started at 10.45 and finished at half 2 i think it was..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    jayunot777 wrote: »
    I am not to sure if the 9th hole leads back to the club house or not ??

    I played in a 2 ball there the weekend and wasnt really held up started at 10.45 and finished at half 2 i think it was..

    So 3hr 45.
    Not bad - but your not sure ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    jayunot777 wrote: »
    I am not to sure if the 9th hole leads back to the club house or not ??

    I played in a 2 ball there the weekend and wasnt really held up started at 10.45 and finished at half 2 i think it was..

    No it doesn't. The talk of a super long course is exaggerated. It's a full size course (and the better for it) but not a monster by any means. Pretty flat too.

    People should play it instead of speculating about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    First Up wrote: »
    No it doesn't. The talk of a super long course is exaggerated. It's a full size course (and the better for it) but not a monster by any means. Pretty flat too.

    People should play it instead of speculating about it.

    How long does it take to play a round in a 3 ball ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    How long does it take to play a round in a 3 ball ?

    Much the same as anywhere else of comparable quality.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    First Up wrote: »
    Much the same as anywhere else of comparable quality.

    Fair enough, will be playing it. In 3 balls.

    Can't imagine what I was told was off the mark.

    I'd say it will be a long day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Fair enough, will be playing it. In 3 balls.

    Can't imagine what I was told was off the mark.

    I'd say it will be a long day

    Unless you are playing off the championship tees, there is absolutely no reason why it should be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    How long does it take to play a round in a 3 ball ?

    Played it yesterday in a 3 ball started at 10:10 and finished at 2 o clock on the button


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭dazcush


    Have played it a few times this year, fabulous course. How much/frequent are the direct debit payments?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    dazcush wrote: »
    Have played it a few times this year, fabulous course. How much/frequent are the direct debit payments?

    depending on if you go for the now until end of 2014 or just 2014:

    1. € 1250.00 – you pay € 350.00 up front followed by 6 x € 150.00 payments from January – June with an € 18.00 set up charge

    2. € 1000.00 - you pay € 400.00 up front followed by 6 x € 100.00 payments from January – June with an € 18.00 set up charge


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭dazcush


    kkelliher wrote: »
    depending on if you go for the now until end of 2014 or just 2014:

    1. € 1250.00 – you pay € 350.00 up front followed by 6 x € 150.00 payments from January – June with an € 18.00 set up charge

    2. € 1000.00 - you pay € 400.00 up front followed by 6 x € 100.00 payments from January – June with an € 18.00 set up charge

    much appreciated thx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    I'm struck by the number of comments about PH being super long - some would give the impression it is only suitable for those capable of an all day trek and with the stamina of an elephant. Here's some numbers (yards);

    Palmerstown House - Back 7,419, Middle 6,556, Front 6,468
    Rathsallagh - Back 6,885, Middle 6,483, Front 6,180
    Dun Laoghaire (Upper/Middle) - Back 7,187, Middle 6,851, Front 6,194
    Lisheen - Back 7,004, Middle 6.645, Front 6,396
    Tulfarris - Back 7,165, Middle 6,745, Front 6,423
    Castlenock - Back 6,703, Middle 6,379, Front 5,974


    So, it is true that off the back tees PH is a monster, but from the middle and society tees it is almost exactly the same as Dun Laoghaire, Lisheen, Tulfarris, Castlenock or Rathsallagh - all courses I would regard as comparable in stature.

    Some people have talked of long walks from greens to tees. My recollection is about three that would be a bit longer than usual but we are talking 50-60 yards and I can think of similar distances in Rathsallagh, Tulfarris, Castlenock and others. The rest are perfectly normal.

    Someone described the walk from the 18th green to the club house as "feeling like a kilometer". I can only assume they had a very bad day - the 18th green backs on to the clubhouse and you walk around it to get to your car.

    If you are used to playing short tracks then PH will feel long, but so will lots of other courses. I'm not recruiting for PH and I remain to be convinced it will succeed as a members club but for goodness sake can we stick to the facts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    ^^^^^ First Up

    Grest post.

    But people are saying the above courses are from a time that we lost the run of ourselves, too long and hard.

    You are picking all the courses from the last 15 years or so.

    Look I haven't played it will do and report back.

    But all tees in Portarlington are less than 6000 . That is a great course.

    There is a valid argument that they are great courses for a once off. But for day to day quick golf . No.

    But another topic.

    If it is anything like The Heritage in laois it is daft. As it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    I said I was looking at courses of comparable stature. Front tees in The Heritage are 5,743.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Ben1977


    ^^^^^ First Up

    Grest post.

    But people are saying the above courses are from a time that we lost the run of ourselves, too long and hard.

    You are picking all the courses from the last 15 years or so.

    Look I haven't played it will do and report back.

    But all tees in Portarlington are less than 6000 . That is a great course.

    There is a valid argument that they are great courses for a once off. But for day to day quick golf . No.


    But another topic.

    If it is anything like The Heritage in laois it is daft. As it is.

    I think is all got to do with the layout. The course does a big loop around the grounds. I can imagine its quiet hard to head out the back 9 for a few holes, you only come across the clubhouse at when finished. I haven't found it any longer than other courses.

    Its a beautiful course, if I didn't have a great course on my door step I would jump at the chance to join. I remember playing there with a group of 20 or so when it opened, the food was real good, flowers were up, course was in tip top shape and a great clubhouse, not to mention a driving range on perfectly located.

    Good luck to the new owners and all that have joined, I jealous.:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,138 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    First Up wrote: »
    I'm struck by the number of comments about PH being super long - some would give the impression it is only suitable for those capable of an all day trek and with the stamina of an elephant............................but for goodness sake can we stick to the facts?

    You may have went away from the facts there yourself :D

    I have played it on a few slow days but I've also went it in fairly good time as well. It's not something that I'd be overly concerned with myself (distance from work/home being my main one) but it is something that I noticed.

    I think it's important to note that a lot of people that have played it recently (myself included) have played it as part of Nama where it was being mainly played by societies (or in once instance I had, by lads that had got clubs for Christmas and decided PH would be a good place to go for their first round.)
    There's nothing like teeing off after a society or playing in a society to drag out a round... It happens, societies are slower, and I think many peoples experience of PH has been subject to this.

    On the other hand, I flew around there in a 2 ball one morning myself, it was a pleasure and we weren't trying to race through it, but we were out before anyone else and although I'm not sure exactly how long it took, it was very pleasant and well within 4 hours. Guessing maybe 3 hr 40 or so.

    So I agree, you don't need to bring the over night bag with you ;)
    A weekly club comp would move a lot faster than what a lot of us have experienced with societies or behind a society.

    From your list, I've played Lisheen, Castleknock, Tulfarris and it certainly feels a longer than these.
    Personally I'd guess that PH would take about 15-20mins longer than these 3 all things being equal.
    It's not enough to put me off, but I feel the difference is there.

    I'd consider Castleknock a "up and down" course, a nice course but it's compact. Green to tee walks are short in distance.
    Lisheen and Tulfarris both are laid out on more land, but you never seem to have that much of a walk.

    PH is different, as you said there are a few holes with long walks, however most holes have a "nice" little stroll between them.
    This may be only an extra 30 seconds or so longer on average per hole, but that will add an extra 15-20 extra minutes in no time with them.

    Another thing that might add to people thinking that PH is longer than it is, is the fact that it is laid out in a cricle, it is very seldom that you are walking alongside another fairway. I think this makes it feel a bit longer than it is.

    So to summarise, I'm not sure if I agree with you or not :D
    You don't need the stamina of an elephant, but you should expect to add 15-20 mins to your round (not an issue for myself) over most other courses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    ajcurry123 wrote: »
    You may have went away from the facts there yourself :D

    I have played it on a few slow days but I've also went it in fairly good time as well. It's not something that I'd be overly concerned with myself (distance from work/home being my main one) but it is something that I noticed.

    I think it's important to note that a lot of people that have played it recently (myself included) have played it as part of Nama where it was being mainly played by societies (or in once instance I had, by lads that had got clubs for Christmas and decided PH would be a good place to go for their first round.)
    There's nothing like teeing off after a society or playing in a society to drag out a round... It happens, societies are slower, and I think many peoples experience of PH has been subject to this.

    On the other hand, I flew around there in a 2 ball one morning myself, it was a pleasure and we weren't trying to race through it, but we were out before anyone else and although I'm not sure exactly how long it took, it was very pleasant and well within 4 hours. Guessing maybe 3 hr 40 or so.

    So I agree, you don't need to bring the over night bag with you ;)
    A weekly club comp would move a lot faster than what a lot of us have experienced with societies or behind a society.

    From your list, I've played Lisheen, Castleknock, Tulfarris and it certainly feels a longer than these.
    Personally I'd guess that PH would take about 15-20mins longer than these 3 all things being equal.
    It's not enough to put me off, but I feel the difference is there.

    I'd consider Castleknock a "up and down" course, a nice course but it's compact. Green to tee walks are short in distance.
    Lisheen and Tulfarris both are laid out on more land, but you never seem to have that much of a walk.

    PH is different, as you said there are a few holes with long walks, however most holes have a "nice" little stroll between them.
    This may be only an extra 30 seconds or so longer on average per hole, but that will add an extra 15-20 extra minutes in no time with them.

    Another thing that might add to people thinking that PH is longer than it is, is the fact that it is laid out in a cricle, it is very seldom that you are walking alongside another fairway. I think this makes it feel a bit longer than it is.

    So to summarise, I'm not sure if I agree with you or not :D
    You don't need the stamina of an elephant, but you should expect to add 15-20 mins to your round (not an issue for myself) over most other courses.

    I don't think PH - or any other course for that matter - needs to apologise for having the option of playing long and/or tough. You can always use the forward tees. I think 6,500 yards is pretty well a standard length for a "modern" par 72 and that's what the middle tees in PH offer - in fact it is slightly shorter from these than Lisheen, Tulfarris or Dun Laoghaire. It is also dead flat. And I doubt the greens to tees walks amounts to more than 5 minutes.

    Maybe slow rounds are contributing to a false impression. One of the outcomes of so much casual golf nowadays is slow play (as well as un-raked bunkers, un-repaired pitchmarks and un-replaced divots.) No question that visitors (societies or otherwise) just don't respect the game or the courses as well as club members do. PH has been a pay and play for years and it has to have some impact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭jayunot777


    Its a championship course its bound to be longer its about the same length as killeen castle walking wise around the course.. If your used to playing small parkland courses u will find this one to be a bit longer.. As stated its not one of those courses where fairways are running along side one another..Its 35 euro to play and is worth playing over some of the other courses mentioned.. I would rather play Palmerstown House all day long over castleknock..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    Those who want to join will Join and those who don't like the course wont. I am happy to join on the basis its a great course layout, it has a great location and access and even in its bad days in the last while it was still a great track and enjoyable round. I don't think it is possible to get everyone to like every course and that's why we have such a great variety in the area. I would be very confident that with any bit of effort thrown at the course and clubhouse, it has the foundations for a great club location and one that hopefully will be around for many years to come.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    kkelliher wrote: »
    Those who want to join will Join and those who don't like the course wont. I am happy to join on the basis its a great course layout, it has a great location and access and even in its bad days in the last while it was still a great track and enjoyable round. I don't think it is possible to get everyone to like every course and that's why we have such a great variety in the area. I would be very confident that with any bit of effort thrown at the course and clubhouse, it has the foundations for a great club location and one that hopefully will be around for many years to come.

    Agree it has a lot going for it, assuming it will be properly maintained when the taxpayer stops paying for it's upkeep. I would still want to check out the underfoot conditions in deepest winter but that would be my only other concern.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Unglika Norse


    I wonder how many more of thes "society" golf clubs will spring up in the near future. Actually I wonder how many society golf clubs there are in the country.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,148 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    As you Can see Palmerstown and The Heritage are roughly the same type of distance , granted I was only really getting back into Golf back then,

    I also have The Grange,Dunmurry Springs Old Layout, and a few others done

    Palmerstown House in a Society

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/73216514

    267034.png

    The Heritage
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/77417224

    267035.png

    City West
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/74490321

    267031.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    As you Can see Palmerstown and The Heritage are roughly the same type of distance , granted I was only really getting back into Golf back then,

    I also have The Grange,Dunmurry Springs Old Layout, and a few others done

    Palmerstown House in a Society

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/73216514

    267034.png

    The Heritage
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/77417224

    267035.png

    City West
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/74490321

    267031.png

    That's unreal that they you walked all but the same distance and time on both ph and heritage and to the same minute


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    As you Can see Palmerstown and The Heritage are roughly the same type of distance , granted I was only really getting back into Golf back then,

    I also have The Grange,Dunmurry Springs Old Layout, and a few others done

    Palmerstown House in a Society

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/73216514

    267034.png

    The Heritage
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/77417224

    267035.png

    City West
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/74490321

    267031.png

    Very interesting. Almost five hours sounds long but that can happen in societies. But then almost four hours for City West sounds long too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭John Divney


    Good work Pistolpetes11, you got Luttrelstown or Killeen Castle by any chance?


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