More Music Free to Air

Nowso

The Box, Kiss, Smash Hits, Magic, Heat and Kerrang are FTA (11585H and 12480V).

mike65

Seems to be a bit of a trend at the moment, music channels are of very little value from a subscription package POV though in the youtube era. Viva and Travel Channel are on Freesat now, some suggestion of certain UKTV channels joining but that's pretty tenuous still.

machiavellianme

Is this a permanent thing or just temp?

mike65

Permanent

Rick_

Yes, it's permanent, so hopefully they will join Freesat soon with full 7 day EPG's, but at the moment The Box, Kiss, Smash Hits and Kerrang all have EPG info but Heat TV and Magic don't.

lertsnim

It's about time they went FTA. A subscription for music video channels is pointless these days

lertsnim

Paddy C wrote: »

Yes, it's permanent, so hopefully they will join Freesat soon with full 7 day EPG's, but at the moment The Box, Kiss, Smash Hits and Kerrang all have EPG info but Heat TV and Magic don't.

About time they went FTA. Subscription music video channels are pointless these days with YouTube and so on

nocoverart

Subscription music channels are pointless these days because the music is sh1t, no other reason.

They're all gone from the Irish Sky EPG too.

pheonixlp

Thanks for that! Had just been on to sky for half hour trying lots of different things before they realised and told me they were no longer broadcasting those channels. They didnt volunteer info for tuning them in.

Rick_

Channel 4 part own these music channels so I would imagine the contract for encryption was due and they decided not to renew and took them FTA. The audience for music channels is quite small nowadays with YouTube and music streaming services so it's no major surprise these channels have went FTA. I could even see MTV and VH1 being the only subscription channels from Viacom and they might even make their the,ed 24/7 music channels FTA as well, and will probably get the majority of the audience share as people will see MTV and associate it with music so they will go there first. Then again the way it has gone the past few years, maybe not!

PogMoThoin

Ah, MTV, the one channel you can be guaranteed there's no music on The rest of the MTV's are pretty crap too.

Infoanon

Karsini wrote: »

They're all gone from the Irish Sky EPG too.

Can anyone confirm if the channels have only been removed from the Irish EPG ?
Looking at the UK sites it appears that the channels are still on the UK EPG albeit flagged as FTA.

Charles Slane

Infoanon wrote: »

Can anyone confirm if the channels have only been removed from the Irish EPG ?
Looking at the UK sites it appears that the channels are still on the UK EPG albeit flagged as FTA.

Yes, they're gone from the Irish EPG but apparently not from the UK one.

A mistake perhaps? Or else a strange decision.

Gonzo

nocoverart wrote: »

Subscription music channels are pointless these days because the music is sh1t, no other reason.

this makes me cry, i'll just go back and play back my VHS recordings of MTV Europe from the early 90s, now that was music television.

Mr Cumulonimbus

Charles Slane wrote: »

Yes, they're gone from the Irish EPG but apparently not from the UK one.

A mistake perhaps? Or else a strange decision.

I have a UK FTV card. All still on the EPG.

Rick_

Interestingly, the MTV channels don't appear in the list of Sky 'Platform Contribution Charges' from 2014 on page 8 of this PDF document. Channel 4/Bauer's music channels are missing too, which might suggest that MTV's network of channels (bar the main MTV and VH1 channels) will be joining them by the end of the year. It's generally small FTA channels which don't have to pay any contribution charge. Will be worth keeping an eye on.

icdg

Charles Slane wrote: »

Yes, they're gone from the Irish EPG but apparently not from the UK one.

A mistake perhaps? Or else a strange decision.

Basically if you're free to air you have to pay Sky for an EPG listing. It costs extra for Ireland so some channels only pay for the UK. If they're not seeking ROI advertising they may feel its not worth it.

twinklerunner

icdg wrote: »

Basically if you're free to air you have to pay Sky for an EPG listing. It costs extra for Ireland so some channels only pay for the UK. If they're not seeking ROI advertising they may feel its not worth it.

They're not on Sky's UK epg either.

snaps

Gonzo wrote: »

this makes me cry, i'll just go back and play back my VHS recordings of MTV Europe from the early 90s, now that was music television.

Ah Ray Cokes! Was that the VDJ in the evenings?

Ah memories of proper European TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9V_glBfuik

JP Liz V1

Karsini wrote: »

They're all gone from the Irish Sky EPG too.

Any one contact Sky Ireland about this?

byte

snaps wrote: »

Ah Ray Cokes! Was that the VDJ in the evenings?

Ah memories of proper European TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9V_glBfuik

Aye, he did the evenings alright on MTV's Most Wanted.

Inicidentally, there's to be a Most Wanted one-off show to happen...

@raycokes on Twitter wrote:

The original cast and crew of MTV's Most Wanted have agreed to a one off reunion show. Should I corporate fund or crowd fund?

No firm date yet for Most Wanted reunion, but a comittment from all parties. Crowd funding and sponsorship being looked into

lertsnim

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

I have a UK FTV card. All still on the EPG.

twinklerunner wrote: »

They're not on Sky's UK epg either.

Which is it then?

muffler

Definitely on the UK epg as Im after checking there just 5 minutes ago. Im using a UTV card btw.

byte

lertsnim wrote: »

Which is it then?

They're listed and working on my Sky NI card.

twinklerunner

byte wrote: »

They're listed and working on my Sky NI card.

I had checked via 'my sky'. I changed the region to London and the channels in question were not listed.

Rick_

My Sky's online TV guide can't be taken as gospel though. The amount of inaccuracies on Sky's website alone should tell you that you don't believe what you read, see if for yourself!

The channels are still on the UK EPG, they have just been taken off the Irish one and they won't be returning, you'll have to manually tune them in.

JP Liz V1

Paddy C wrote: »

My Sky's online TV guide can't be taken as gospel though. The amount of inaccuracies on Sky's website alone should tell you that you don't believe what you read, see if for yourself!

The channels are still on the UK EPG, they have just been taken off the Irish one and they won't be returning, you'll have to manually tune them in.

How do I manually add these channels on Sky, I mean what are the codes please

Mr Cumulonimbus

twinklerunner wrote: »

I had checked via 'my sky'. I changed the region to London and the channels in question were not listed.

FTV card loads the London region EPG. Channels are listed.

Manual tune: channels at 12.480, V, 27.5, 2/3.

The Cush

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I mean what are the codes please

Frequencies and other parameters here - http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-28.2E.php

Rick_

Frequencies and parameters are on a table on this very forum, look for the FTA TUNING GUIDE sticky thread, or click here.

Zardoz

Karsini wrote: »

They're all gone from the Irish Sky EPG too.

Its great the way Sky value the Irish subscriber ,charge them more for less channels.

the_rovers_one

Pain in the b***** with sky now. Consistently screwing their customers over here. As much as I hate UPC a combo of them and free sat seems to be the way...

PogMoThoin

the_rovers_one wrote: »

Pain in the b***** with sky now. Consistently screwing their customers over here. As much as I hate UPC a combo of them and free sat seems to be the way...

Just get a proper linux box and add your existing card for the best of both worlds. Check out the Amiko alien 2, does everything the Sky box does and more, including trrestrial

lertsnim

Zardoz wrote: »

Its great the way Sky value the Irish subscriber ,charge them more for less channels.

The Irish subscriber continues to pay so who could blame them.

the_rovers_one

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Just get a proper linux box and add your existing card for the best of both worlds. Check out the Amiko alien 2, does everything the Sky box does and more, including trrestrial

Where can I get one of these boxes?

charlemont

Zardoz wrote: »

Its great the way Sky value the Irish subscriber ,charge them more for less channels.

Its typical of how things work here.

I only use the Sky box for the Freesat channels only and have it set on UK EPG. Never had a subscription with Sky.

machiavellianme

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Just get a proper linux box and add your existing card for the best of both worlds. Check out the Amiko alien 2, does everything the Sky box does and more, including trrestrial

So you're saying I could insert a sky viewing card into an Amiko Alien 2 and everything would be as is on a sky box? i.e. pause/rewind tv, record 2 channels at once, order box office, full 7-day epg etc?
How would that affect my contract with sky?
Also, can you edit channel numbers/positions?

PogMoThoin

machiavellianme wrote: »

So you're saying I could insert a sky viewing card into an Amiko Alien 2 and everything would be as is on a sky box? i.e. pause/rewind tv, record 2 channels at once, order box office, full 7-day epg etc?
How would that affect my contract with sky?
Also, can you edit channel numbers/positions?

Yes to nearly all, no box office. As it has 3 tuners you can watch, record or stream (over wifi to laptop/tablet etc) 3x channels at the same time. It's not an off the shelf solution, you have to install a linux software (Enigma2) and set it up that way, but when you do it's the dogs. There are plugins that give 7 day EPG, planner and series link. There's even an android and iphone app that allows you full control of the box from anywhere, browse epg, set timers etc.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82445809&postcount=185
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82445824&postcount=186

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVOo8otgc4Q

icdg

Zardoz wrote: »

Its great the way Sky value the Irish subscriber ,charge them more for less channels.

The channels made the decision to leave the Sky platform. Sky can't force them to be part of it and Ofcom are the ones who made Sky have an open pricing policy for the EPG in the first place. If they gave them listings without paying for it, they'd be in trouble with the channels who do pay.

Can we stop talking about using Sky cards in non-Sky Digiboxes. It is a breach of the terms and conditions of service to do so.

machiavellianme

icdg wrote: »

The channels made the decision to leave the Sky platform. Sky can't force them to be part of it and Ofcom are the ones who made Sky have an open pricing policy for the EPG in the first place. If they gave them listings without paying for it, they'd be in trouble with the channels who do pay.

Can we stop talking about using Sky cards in non-Sky Digiboxes. It is a breach of the terms and conditions of service to do so.

Cheers, wasnt sure about that last line, hence my asking in my previous post. Its a pity Sky dont offer a customisable box. After all, we do own it. Yet, we cant even stop a software update from happening.

eireannBEAR

kerrang, kiss, smash hits,etc were removed from the irish epg by bskyb for no other reason than spite aimed at box television for going fta. these channels are on sky uks epg...so i am pleading with irish sky subscribers to cancel your sky contracts,they are raising prices and removing channels the way they behave with us has me thinking why did they enter the irish market in the first place!!!!

i for one am going out tomorrow to buy a freesat+ box!!!

lertsnim

eireannBEAR wrote: »

kerrang, kiss, smash hits,etc were removed from the irish epg by bskyb for no other reason than spite aimed at box television for going fta.

Not quite. If those channels want to be on the Irish EPG then they will pay to be there.

eireannBEAR

Kerrang,smash hits and magic etc,have been removed from sky irelands EPG for no other reason than spite aimed at music channel owner box television for going FTA.

These channels are still available on BskyB'S UK EPG!!

All sky seem to be doing are raising prices and removing channels so i for one will be going out tomorrow and buying a freesat+ box.

i would hope that many of you {sky subscribers} will do the same and cancel your contracts!!!

the way treats us its a wonder why they entered the irish market in the first place!!!!:mad:

eireannBEAR

lertsnim wrote: »

Not quite. If those channels want to be on the Irish EPG then they will pay to be there.

well i started a thread :mad:

also i doubt the likes of the islamic channels etc paid to be on the irish EPG lol

The Cush

eireannBEAR wrote: »

also i doubt the likes of the islamic channels etc paid to be on the irish EPG lol

I guess it depends on how much they pay, have a look here (posted by Paddy C earlier in the thread)

http://corporate.sky.com/documents/pdf/20c24d2e1c62406594e1a79de5f917db/bskyb_and_sssl_published_price_list_effective_1_july_2012.pdf

eireannBEAR

wow....good stuff thank for the link cush!!! still i dont agree with sky lol but that answers a lot.

lertsnim

eireannBEAR wrote: »

also i doubt the likes of the islamic channels etc paid to be on the irish EPG lol

There are Muslims in Ireland. Mad I know.

LOL

mickko

eireannBEAR wrote: »

the way treats us its a wonder why they entered the irish market in the first place!!!!:mad:

It's no wonder they entered the Irish market.

Our government (who are so good at screwing us) have tolerated a decade of Sky extracting their subscription fees direct to the UK without paying any VAT to the state.
Sky also enjoy no regulation whatsoever regarding their Digital TV packages so Irish subs are substantially higher for the same packs in the UK.
Their Irish operation is highly profitable, and extracts 100's of millions from this state per annum.
Extraordinarily, that's many many Billion over the last decade, with nothing to the Irish exchequer.
All for repetitive programming and continuous advertising.

Fair play to you for seeing the light. More will follow in time.

greendom

mickko wrote: »

It's no wonder they entered the Irish market.

Our government (who are so good at screwing us) have tolerated a decade of Sky extracting their subscription fees direct to the UK without paying any VAT to the state.
Sky also enjoy no regulation whatsoever regarding their Digital TV packages so Irish subs are substantially higher for the same packs in the UK.
Their Irish operation is highly profitable, and extracts 100's of millions from this state per annum.
Extraordinarily, that's many many Billion over the last decade, with nothing to the Irish exchequer.
All for repetitive programming and continuous advertising.

Fair play to you for seeing the light. More will follow in time.

Sky have paid millions of pounds to set up and man a customer service/sales base in Ireland and I'm sure the Irish exchequer is doing very well out of that I'm sure

mickko

greendom wrote: »

Sky have paid millions of pounds to set up and man a customer service/sales base in Ireland and I'm sure the Irish exchequer is doing very well out of that I'm sure

Only recently, and because they had to due to fixed line interests within the state. Sky have always maintained a minimum presence policy in Ireland.

A small, reluctant contribution on their part.
Hardly justification for enjoying VAT exemption, and no regulation.