sfp source of social welfare

buffalobilly

was down town last night and a friend said
to me that as far a he was concerned sfp is
a form of social welfare payment what do
others think

Timmaay

Ugh this again, if it is then the low capital gains tax rate is also just a form of social welfare for the big multinationals. The real beneficiaries are both the people of Ireland who get lower priced food, and food security, and then the local rural communities to which the farmers spend a large proportion of their income.

blue5000

I'm open to correction but I think Irish people spend nearly as much on choclate as what the sfp for Ireland is.

bbam

Of course SFP is social welfare...

• And all farmers buy €70k new tractors with it each year..
• All our children get free passes to college
• We pay no tax at all
• All deals are in cash so it cant be traced..
• We keep our money under the matress.
• We all want to marry teachers or nurses for the handy money.
• We bring tractors on the road just to annoy townies
• Never do a days work (because its not in a factory or office)
• Make the cattle bawl at night to annoy the townies who moved to the country for peace and quiet.

Tell your friend to get over it...

greysides

I won't claim to know much about this so I am subject to correction. My belief is that while your friend is correct, it's not you but him which is benefiting. So a bit of an about-face there!

The story as I 'know' it is that after World War II, farming was in a depression, desperately in need of modernisation to feed people that could not afford to pay the going rate for food. Governments decided to subsidise farmers so their populations could afford the food they needed. Farmers thus took less for their produce but it was affordable to the public. The difference which would legitimately have been there's came from the government.

Fast forward a few decades, add in politics, loss of memory of the original reason things are as they are now, begrudgery, and an opportunity to load the money with preconditions/threats and you have the situation we are in now.

iverjohnston

Well if it is a social welfare payment, then its one you have to work damn hard to collect. Probably time that all social welfare recipiants had to do likewise. If you were required to do 20 hours work a week, under the supervision of a ganger, clearing all those blocked roadside culverts, or whatever, then perhaps the urge to get a 38 hour a week job , in a good work environment, might return. Oh, made a slip in your paperwork? your social welfare will be delayed for a month or three!

And while I am on the subject, why not pay all social welfare in 3 stages? 20% in late August, and the remainder split in 2 payments, say in October and November. Would save about a billion in social services wage bills. The recipiants can budget their spending, surely?

buffalobilly

Yes I know where you are coming from iver but this is not a social welfare recipient just a ordinary joe public self employed tax payer to be honest I find it very hard to argue with him when he says he gets no grants and if he does a job and does not get paid it is hard luck

iverjohnston

Thats all right then, Buffalobilly, your friend does not contribute so much to the SFP. That would be the German and UK public!
Its not as if the farmers stash all their SFP loot ib Swiss banks, is it? They spend the lot with Irish buisnesses.
And being self employed, he is in the same bucket as farmers, no dole for him if the business goes belly up!