North Korea has entered a state of war with the south

Montroseee

Several major news stations are beginning to report a declaration of war

Seemingly everybody's worst fears confirmed?

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/29/world/asia/north-korea-us-threats/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2013/03/2013330031388862.html

Amirani

Still just words, nothing new as yet.

gurramok

Means nout if China does not approve of it. (NK's only ally is China)

Seachmall

1. The North attacks the South.
2. America says "Quit it!"
3. UN says "Hey! That's wrong!"
4. America says "I mean it!"
5. China says "Or what?!"
6. America nukes the North.
7. China responds "LOL".
8. North and South unite.
9. Everyone lives happily ever after.

Except the dead. They remain dead.

Dempsey

Werent they always at war with the South?

keithsfleet

A mate has been following this incredibly closely and I often get random 4am updates.
It's really not looking good, that young dictator has a serious chip on his shoulder and really isn't going to back down from anyone.

DrumSteve

Aw this is bull****. There are a lot of impoverished people about to suffer in that case.

IM0

who fukin cares, start reporting it if anything other than words happen, until then media can **** off

Montroseee

IM0 wrote: »

who fukin cares, start reporting it if anything other than words happen, until then media can **** off

Its quite a serious issue given they are the greatest threat to global security currently.

keithsfleet

IM0 wrote: »

who fukin cares, start reporting it if anything other than words happen, until then media can **** off

I wonder if the Internet was around 80 years ago would people of said the same thing about Germany

Thrill

Montroseee wrote: »

Its quite a serious issue given they are the greatest threat to global security currently.

It's been discussed here with the last two hours........

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056913944&page=5


It's already old news.

awec

IM0 wrote: »

who fukin cares, start reporting it if anything other than words happen, until then media can **** off

The largest military force on the planet in the hands of a bunch of absolute nutjobs.

I care.

pablomakaveli

They've always been at war though. The Korean War never really ended rather its been in stasis for 60 years.

Its worrying though if things do escalate into conflict.

Seachmall

Seachmall wrote: »

1. The North attacks the South.
2. America says "Quit it!"
3. UN says "Hey! That's wrong!"
4. America says "I mean it!"
5. China says "Or what?!"
6. America nukes the North.
7. China responds "LOL".
8. North and South unite.
9. Everyone lives happily ever after.

Except the dead. They remain dead.

They may not live but you can't say they're not happy.



Anyway, as above, haven't they been in a state of war for 60-odd years? Hopefully it's just poor media translation as usual.

DrumSteve

awec wrote: »

The largest military force on the planet in the hands of a bunch of absolute nutjobs.

I care.

Are you talking about America here?

Montroseee

pablomakaveli wrote: »

They've always been at war though. The Korean War never really ended rather its been in stasis for 60 years.

Its worrying though if things do escalate into conflict.

There had been a ceasefire but this was made invalid on March 11th.

Montroseee

DrumSteve wrote: »

Are you talking about America here?

No, the NK military personnel total over 9 million.

Rascasse

awec wrote: »

The largest military force on the planet in the hands of a bunch of absolute nutjobs.

I care.

Unless you live in South Korea there really isn't much to worry about.

DrumSteve

Montroseee wrote: »

No, the NK military personnel total over 9 million.

Really? Didnt realize that. Every citizen is conscripted though right?

awec

Rascasse wrote: »

Unless you live in South Korea there really isn't much to worry about.

These things can spiral.

I'm certainly no tin foil hat wearing worrier, but I'd rather they didn't start shooting at each other at any point.

ted1

America have being poking them with a stick for years

Iwasfrozen

Montroseee wrote: »

No, the NK military personnel total over 9 million.

Over 9 million eh?

Montroseee

DrumSteve wrote: »

Really? Didnt realize that. Every citizen is conscripted though right?

Yes, universal conscription for men.

awec

DrumSteve wrote: »

Really? Didnt realize that. Every citizen is conscripted though right?

Yes, there is conscription. In terms of troop numbers they are the largest in the world.

Their budget though is obviously pitiful in comparison.

Remmy

*cue Hanz Zimmer music.

awec

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Over 9 million eh?

According to that, 1106000 active + 8200000 reservists = over 9 million?

Iwasfrozen

awec wrote: »

According to that, 1106000 active + 8200000 reservists = over 9 million?

Reserves aren't a standing military.

Rayne Wooney

Crazy that 9 million. I still can't see them doing anything the whole world is against them


Off topic, didn't realise Vietnam have the second biggest army force in the world :eek:

cartell_best

North Korea, a rogue country. It is now entering a stage where it is reacting to the sanctions, much like a country being starved of reason, as they think they have. At this point in time, they feel that they are "untouchable". All neighbouring states and associates are regarded as indecisive. Now? all it will take is for North Korea to launch just one missile, regardless of its destructive force, to be launched.

Should this happen, ladies and gentlemen, we are looking at a war that humanity has never seen. An age where long range missile's will result in the first experience of the last 100 years, see not the death of frontline soldiers, but the death of many thousands...

Duggy747

The NK have at least 1.5 - 2 million soldiers at the border at all times. That, in itself, is a fairly huge number for one section.

Montroseee

cartell_best wrote: »

North Korea, a rogue country. It is now entering a stage where it is reacting to the sanctions, much like a country being starved of reason, as they think they have. At this point in time, they feel that they are "untouchable". All neighbouring states and associates are regarded as indecisive. Now? all it will take is for North Korea to launch just one missile, regardless of its destructive force, to be launched.

Should this happen, ladies and gentlemen, we are looking at a war that humanity has never seen. An age where long range missile's will result in the first experience of the last 100 years, see not the death of frontline soldiers, but the death of many thousands...

China's reaction will be very telling if NK launch an assault

The Backwards Man

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Reserves aren't a standing military.

I can hear hundreds of RDF members cursing at their laptops reading that statement.:pac:

B.A._Baracus

Accordingly every year the United States and South Korea have war-games and each year North Korea makes a stink about it.

Of course, in recent times North Korea has been sabre rattling. The big issue, as I see it, is that if NK keeps waving their dicks around there will be a put up or shut up moment and thats where the dangers lie.

The_B_Man

According to a close Sth Korean friend of mine, the war has never ended and they were in "break time". Basically they just stopped for some holiday or something and never got going. The war was never resolved.

Conscription is in effect in North and South. North has more numbers, South has better technology.

On their own, the South should win, but if China joins in behind North, then it could go the distance. The Russia situation will be interesting too.

pablomakaveli

Their massive numbers seem intimidating but would they have enough weapons to arm all of them?

DrumSteve

The_B_Man wrote: »

According to a close Sth Korean friend of mine, the war has never ended and they were in "break time". Basically they just stopped for some holiday or something and never got going. The war was never resolved.

Conscription is in effect in North and South. North has more numbers, South has better technology.

On their own, the South should win, but if China joins in behind North, then it could go the distance. The Russia situation will be interesting too.

Cant see the chinese getting involved unless SK/USA strike first.

Seachmall

cartell_best wrote: »

North Korea, a rogue country. It is now entering a stage where it is reacting to the sanctions, much like a country being starved of reason, as they think they have. At this point in time, they feel that they are "untouchable". All neighbouring states and associates are regarded as indecisive. Now? all it will take is for North Korea to launch just one missile, regardless of its destructive force, to be launched.

Should this happen, ladies and gentlemen, we are looking at a war that humanity has never seen. An age where long range missile's will result in the first experience of the last 100 years, see not the death of frontline soldiers, but the death of many thousands...

If North Korea do anything that might invite a military response from a major nation they'll find themselves very much alone.

No country in the world is going to risk a large scale war with nuclear potential for the sake of North Korea.

Ten of Swords

They still have to get their troops across the minefields in the DMZ, they won't last long hiding behing their artillery lines. Still - I wouldn't want to be on guard duty at the bridge of no return today.

MrPoker

IM0 wrote: »

who fukin cares, start reporting it if anything other than words happen, until then media can **** off

I care for one and so do many others. The world is in a precarious position at the moment if you haven't noticed. Wars going on, economic upheaval etc. The last thing it needs is another clusterfcuk war with one of the biggest armies on the planet all willing to sacrifice themselves for their maniac of a leader. The fall out from this and knock on effects will have implications for us all.

What makes it interesting now is a new leader is in place in NK with an increase in anti-american rhetoric therefore making it different from threats in years gone by.

tolosenc

What I'd like to see next:

1. China says "we're having no part of this".
2. North Korea doesn't give a **** and ploughs on.
3. Swift defeat of Best Korea.
4. Reunification of Korea.

Just Like Heaven

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Their massive numbers seem intimidating but would they have enough weapons to arm all of them?

This. After about forty minutes of war NK will be chucking rocks across the border at the South.

ted1

I have seen brave heart and no one volunteer is better than a hundred conscripted people . 9 million is only a number

The Backwards Man

The_B_Man wrote: »

According to a close Sth Korean friend of mine, the war has never ended and they were in "break time". Basically they just stopped for some holiday or something and never got going. The war was never resolved.

Conscription is in effect in North and South. North has more numbers, South has better technology.

On their own, the South should win, but if China joins in behind North, then it could go the distance. The Russia situation will be interesting too.

China won't back them, not in a war situation. China doesn't need them, they got their own plan for world domination going to sweetly to get involved in a border dispute. (as they see it)

WumBuster

Im not a fan of US imperialism but I hope they get rid of this appalling regime in North korea once and for all. Ive watched a few documentaries on NK and your jaw would drop the way they treat their own people. It's like Stalinist Russia from the 30's

Riddle101

As bad as this sounds, i'm sure the US is loving this. Just what the military industrial complex wants.

Rascasse

The_B_Man wrote: »

On their own, the South should win, but if China joins in behind North, then it could go the distance. The Russia situation will be interesting too.

The Chinese and Russian's wouldn't get involved, and why would they?

South Korea are armed with far better weapons plus have the Japanese and Americans behind them. While the DPRK could cause large numbers of casualties in Seoul, and other cities in rocket range, there would be no large scale war.

JonathanAnon

It seems like a permanent phony war to me... I'm open to persuasion if anybody can give me some concrete evidence of a war...

Montroseee

WumBuster wrote: »

Im not a fan of US imperialism but I hope they get rid of this appalling regime in North korea once and for all. Ive watched a few documentaries on NK and your jaw would drop the way they treat their own people. It's like Stalinist Russia from the 30's

Their people are brainwashed to the max. They fund a ridiculously large army while many citizens starve and live in complete poverty. The level of support their leader gets, makes absolutely no sense.

Merch

Artillery barrage launched, time to start ****ting ourselves

Montroseee

Merch wrote: »

Artillery barrage launched, time to start ****ting ourselves

Source?

Gatling

Sure most of the population is starving or locked up in re-education camps,
As much as there supposedly super big army can't see any conflict lasting, you can guarantee all that artillery anti aircraft would be neutralised fairly quick ,
That much artillery is such close proximity is a disaster zone ,one explosion could in theory wipe out the lot in one go