David Haye Comeback

Dick phelan

David Haye is going to return to the ring on June 29th, delighted Haye is the best heavy outside of klitschko's hope he fights Price or Fury and knocks them clean out and ends the hype around them, wonder who he fights first, would love to see him fight Wilder or Fury but Tyson fights in April so hopefully end of this year they fight, whatever your view of Haye i dont see how you can deny he is the best heavy outside the klitschko's also he generates a lot of intrest with casual fans and gets lots of media attention, i think its good he's back and hopefully he can bring a bit of life back into the division god knows its needed

Dozen Wicked Words

I think he is an embarrassment to the sport and his country. Pathetic retiring, un-retiring, constant abuse of the Klitschkos, as culpable as Chisora in that farce. He is interested in a payday and nothing else. He was pathetic in his last fight, completely and utterly outclassed and whoever he fights next I hope he gets hammered. The typical goon that Sky Sports and associates fawn over, horrible, horrible individual. I would actually prefer if Tyson Fury beat him, and he is a complete tool.

Frank Bullitt

Won't be with Price anyway, he has a rematch coming up.

Unfortunately for Haye, thats all he will be I feel, best of the rest, there is talk of Vitali vacating his title this summer and retiring for politics.

Even if his toe isn't broken, I don't see him beating either brother. I would agree that he gets the casual fan interested again in a match, but as far as liking him goes, I find him really irritating.

Johner

Dick phelan wrote: »

David Haye is going to return to the ring on June 29th, delighted Haye is the best heavy outside of klitschko's

Haha, based on what? I like Haye but he hasn't done anything at heavyweight. Beat a washed up Barrett and Ruiz. Fraudley and Chisora. :rolleyes: Valuev who is a terrible boxer and I thought he lost that fight. The only legitimite heavyweight he fought was Vlad and he got crushed.

cowzerp

Dick phelan wrote: »

Haye is the best heavy outside of klitschko's

This is what's wrong with Media Bias in Boxing, This lad even been considered as a top Heavy, never mind in the top 3!!!

Frank Bullitt

He is also too small to be a heavy weight now, modern heavyweights are absolute monsters.

walshb

Gintonious wrote: »

He is also too small to be a heavy weight now, modern heavyweights are absolute monsters.

He is a HW now. Has been for a few years. I don't think he's too small at all.

Take out Klit and please show me these monsters? Haye is 210-220 lbs of muscle, and about 6 feet 2 1/2. Ok, Price and Fury are big men, but I think Haye beats both. Weighing 230/240/250 doesn't tell the whole story.

Frank Bullitt

Helinus would be one of them, but yeah looking back on what I said its really just the brothers, my apologies.

I still think he was more suited to cruiserweight, and as has been pointed out, once he faced a good HW he was outclassed in every aspect.

From Booth today:

"David will fight an opponent who I am yet to secure, but who will be highly ranked," said Booth.

"He wants to fight twice this year against highly-ranked contenders to put himself in an unavoidable position to be the mandatory contender to one of the brothers. He is not waiting anymore. He is fighting his way into position."

walshb

Gintonious wrote: »

Helinus would be one of them, but yeah looking back on what I said its really just the brothers, my apologies.

I still think he was more suited to cruiserweight, and as has been pointed out, once he faced a good HW he was outclassed in every aspect.

From Booth today:

Yes, and that HW who beat him is the best on earth. Also happens to be a big man. The other big men aren't as capable as Wlad. Haye does not loes to Price/Fury/Wach, to name 3. Povetkin would IMO be a favourite against Haye.

Example:

Solis and Haye both met in the amateurs in 2001 at HW. Solis is weighing a lot more than Haye now, and he's about an inch or so shorter. But, Haye is carrying very little fat. He's quite muscular. Solis's weight isn't ideal for his frame.

Frank Bullitt

Price and Fury are a good bit off that level for sure. The only fight I want to see with them is when they fight each other.

It will be interesting to see how Haye gets on whoever he fights next, he will no doubt talk his way back into the ring against Wlad, and I see the same outcome.

Dietsquirt

I think Haye should fight Fury this summer, if he wins his next fight in April. If Haye 'easily' beats Fury than he should get a rematch with Wlad. I'm a huge Vitali fan but at 41 years of age i think he should hang up his gloves.

MD1990

whether u love or hate Haye he is entertaining

T-K-O

Love or hate him he is the 3rd best HW around. FACT.

Haye brings excitement back to the division and I am delighted he is going the route I and many others suggested 3 years ago.

Johner

T-K-O wrote: »

Love or hate him he is the 3rd best HW around. FACT.

Based on what exactly?

T-K-O

Johner wrote: »

Based on what exactly?

His record to date. :cool:

T-K-O

Lets take the WBC top 4

1. Chris Arreola (US)
2. Bermane Stiverne (Canada) SILVER
3. Johnathon Banks (US) INTL
4. Tyson Fury (GB)

Hayes is better than all of those guys

dlofnep

Haye is a good heavyweight, but who has he beat to quantify that statement? I'd like to see him have a few fights against top 10 opposition. He's had a very easy ride to the title.

T-K-O

What has a guy like Stiverne done to deserve second place? It's all relative. Sure Haye jumped the queue last time around and that was wrong.

However, he still beats the four guys I listed

gene_tunney

I am an inveterate detractor of Haye, but he is the best heavy in the division after Wladimir.

Frank Bullitt

T-K-O wrote: »

His record to date. :cool:

Monte Barrett - Win
Nikolai Valuev - Win
John Ruiz - Win
Audley Harrison - Win
Wladimir Klitschko - Loss
Dereck Chisora - Win

Thats not exactly show stopping, Harrison barely qualifies as a boxer and Ruiz was out to get his last paycheck.

walshb

Gintonious wrote: »

Monte Barrett - Win
Nikolai Valuev - Win
John Ruiz - Win
Audley Harrison - Win
Wladimir Klitschko - Loss
Dereck Chisora - Win

Thats not exactly show stopping, Harrison barely qualifies as a boxer and Ruiz was out to get his last paycheck.

You need to put up better selections to compare against Haye. No point in just dismissing Haye's win/loss record without showing us some more suitable candidates as regards a top rated ranking. Tyson Fury for chrissake is ranked the 4th best by the WBC. The WBC supposedly being the most prestigious belt. What has Fury done that is better than Haye?

Off the top of my head I think Povetkin springs to mind as a more suitable number 3 than Haye.

Frank Bullitt

walshb wrote: »

You need to put up better selections to comapre against Haye. No point in just dismissing Haye's win/loss record without showing us some more suitable candidates as regards a top rated ranking. Tyson Fury for chrissake is ranked the 4th best by the WBC. The WBC supposedly being the most prestigious belt. What has Fury done that is better than Haye?

i was answering the original post that said his record to date made him the best HW outside of the brothers.

Fury, I agree, is a joke. But he has always fought as HW, I know Haye has a good record overall, but not all of it was at HW.

walshb

Gintonious wrote: »

i was answering the original post that said his record to date made him the best HW outside of the brothers.

Fury, I agree, is a joke. But he has always fought as HW, I know Haye has a good record overall, but not all of it was at HW.

I like Fury. I think he is entertaining, and goes in to fight and perform. Haye's campaign at HW isn't great, but the Ring ratings think he's top 5. Arreola is not rated by Ring, yet is number 1 by the WBC. It's all over the place. Arreola is well past his best days.

Best to do a who wins againt who? Looking at the top rated HW men across the board I think Haye stacks up well against almost all. For this he deserves a high rating.

badabing106

1.Wlad
2.Vitali
3.Povetkin
4.Pulev
5.Adamek
6.Arreola
7.Hay

walshb

badabing106 wrote: »

1.Wlad
2.Vitali
3.Povetkin
4.Pulev
5.Adamek
6.Arreola

Adamek vs. Haye at HW? Who you got?

badabing106

walshb wrote: »

Adamek vs. Haye at HW? Who you got?

Adamek UD win.

Dick phelan

badabing106 wrote: »

1.Wlad
2.Vitali
3.Povetkin
4.Pulev
5.Adamek
6.Arreola
7.Hay

Haye would destroy Povetkin as for Arreola he is far to slow to deal with Haye, Adamek come off it he's past it in my view and anyway was never a HW Look outside of Klitschko's name another HW who beats Haye and honestly why you think so Haye will destroy Fury in 6 if they fight

Dick phelan

badabing106 wrote: »

Adamek UD win.

Not a hope Haye by KO

badabing106

Dick phelan wrote: »

Haye would destroy Povetkin as for Arreola he is far to slow to deal with Haye, Adamek come off it he's past it in my view and anyway was never a HW Look outside of Klitschko's name another HW who beats Haye and honestly why you think so Haye will destroy Fury in 6 if they fight

I didn't mention Fury, but now that you mention him. I would favour him against haye. Say what you like about fury , he has alot of heart and guts and is improving alot.

Haye hasn't been in ding dong 12 round battles at heavyweight, and if he ever is then I think he will be found wanting in the later rounds. Hayes best win was against Valuev. A 56 year old Holyfield beat valuev the year previously. Haye needs to beat the top guys to be considered top 3 or top 5?

DB10

I have no time for Haye after his bull**** behaviour with Chisora and the toe incident. He wants to fight two top class fighters this year. Pick two of :

Adamek
Povetkin
Arreola

If he is as good as Booth, himself and his fans think , that should be no problem to him. I'd be confident he wouldnt get through that list. Hes not good enough to beat the Klitschos but they are aging/retiring, he could get his chance to be heavyweight champion in a few years.

Just looking through the other heavyweights outside these 6 and its fairly embarrassing. Someone has to step up soon, when the brothers retire!

DB10

I'm a big Fury fan but I couldnt see him beating Haye in the near future. But at Furys age he has alot of time to change that.

gene_tunney

badabing106 wrote: »

1.Wlad
2.Vitali
3.Povetkin
4.Pulev
5.Adamek
6.Arreola
7.Hay

Haye beats everyone on that list apart from Wlad. Prime Vitali beats him as well

DB10

gene_tunney wrote: »

Haye beats everyone on that list apart from Wlad. Prime Vitali beats him as well

We'll have to wait and see on that. I'm confident Haye will not defeat 2 of Arreola/Povetkin/Adamek by the end of the year.

I can see him bottling some of these fights and taking on Price/Fury or some other low rank dud. Then trying to hype himself into a world championship fight.

badabing106

gene_tunney wrote: »

Haye beats everyone on that list apart from Wlad. Prime Vitali beats him as well

I understand that Vitali is 42 and much slower and injury prone and has a stressful job etc. But I don't think Haye could have a 12 round ding dong with an old master like Vitali, I think he would be in survival mode mid rounds , and he ain't going to outpoint him ! . The only chance I see Haye winning is if Vitali has another shoulder or knee injury, and even then I would fancy Vitali's heart and will power to prevail with an iron fist!

cowzerp

badabing106 wrote: »

I understand that Vitali is 42 and much slower etc now. Do you think Haye could ding dong with Vitali. You think he would have the heart and balls to do that?

Vitali will still beat Haye, and it will be by KO if it happens.

cowzerp

gene_tunney wrote: »

Haye beats everyone on that list apart from Wlad. Prime Vitali beats him as well

untill he actually fights a top heavy we will never know!
Valuev probably should have won but either way he is terrible, Holyfield who shouldn't even be allowed box on beat him in real terms.

Underground

Word on the grapevine (well ESB) is that Jovo Pudar will be his opponent.

Not sure how credible that claim is though.

gene_tunney

DB10 wrote: »

We'll have to wait and see on that. I'm confident Haye will not defeat 2 of Arreola/Povetkin/Adamek by the end of the year.

I can see him bottling some of these fights and taking on Price/Fury or some other low rank dud. Then trying to hype himself into a world championship fight.

Well he probably won't fight them because all he wants is an easy pay day. But if he did fight them I'd fancy him to beat Adamek ad Arreola very easily, Povetkin would be slightly tougher.

cowzerp wrote: »

untill he actually fights a top heavy we will never know!
Valuev probably should have won but either way he is terrible, Holyfield who shouldn't even be allowed box on beat him in real terms.

It's a myth that Haye vs Valuev was a close fight. Watch it again. Haye clearly won.

Syferus

There is only a single 'top heavy' in sport today. They might as well call the current heavyweight division Cruiserweights + Milk.

boxer.fan

The way I see it, David Haye needs to mix it up with the likes of Chagaev / Povetkin in order to be able to sit at the top table. If he were to get a good win against these lads he would be on track.

But then again . . . . . . . . his toe??

T-K-O

Haye fought a top HW. The best one on the planet and during that fight Haye was never really in danger.

People dislike him and I'm not his biggest fan. I wanted Vitali to fight Haye and knock him out for all the messing before the Wlad fight. However looking at it objectively it's very difficult to find a HW (outside the klitschkos) better than him.

You could make a case for Povetkin but I'd fancy Haye to beat him.

Now 2/3 years on, I don't think Vitali should fight Haye. Vitali looks old as hell these days

cowzerp

He ran away just happy to survive, that's not anything to boast about, embarrassing, even in the final round he didn't give it a go proving he doesn't have the heart for it.

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

He ran away just happy to survive, rhata not anything to boast about, embarrassing, even in the final round he didn't give it a go proving he doesn't have the heart for it.

Two sides to every coin. The best HW in the world couldn't hurt him??

walshb

Personally I though Wlad was 'just' as disappointing as Haye. Both scared ****less' to take chances. Haye I suppose was more disappointing. He was the challenger. He seemed far too cautious and reluctant.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Personally I though Wlad was 'just' as disappointing as Haye. Both scared ****less' to take chances. Haye I suppose was more disappointing. He was the challenger. He seemed far too cautious and reluctant.

I tend to agree however a simliar Wlad batters the entire division hence the reason I rate Haye #3


well that I believe Haye is more capable than most current HW's

Jayob10

Haye is actually a very cautious fighter. Fights in spurts, doesn't take chances at all.

I'm not a fan at all mainly due to the fact that he disrespects the sport. He is looking for a payday or glamour fight that will put him into the mainstream. If he had a shot at being on tv in another capacity other than boxing then he would take it in a shot, plain and simple.

He has zero desire to prove himself against all comers, against the very best of the best. Vitali is dead right to tell him to f*ck right off and work his way into a mandatory position.

Unless Haye fights either Povetkin (with chance to become Wlad's mandatory) or Jonathan Banks (to become Vitalis mandatory after Arreloa fights Stieverne) then im just not interested. Anything else is just a sham of a sky sports hyped "Heavyweight eliminator" where no doubt Haye will fight some low risk (in terms of opponent) high reward (the ridiculous amount the casual mugs will pay to tune in) fight, and people will buy it as a legitimate meaningful contest.

And then he'll hope just maybe his mouth will get him another shot.

T-K-O

Jayob10 wrote: »

Haye is actually a very cautious fighter. Fights in spurts, doesn't take chances at all.

I'm not a fan at all mainly due to the fact that he disrespects the sport. He is looking for a payday or glamour fight that will put him into the mainstream. If he had a shot at being on tv in another capacity other than boxing then he would take it in a shot, plain and simple.

He has zero desire to prove himself against all comers, against the very best of the best. Vitali is dead right to tell him to f*ck right off and work his way into a mandatory position.

Unless Haye fights either Povetkin (with chance to become Wlad's mandatory) or Jonathan Banks (to become Vitalis mandatory after Arreloa fights Stieverne) then im just not interested. Anything else is just a sham of a sky sports hyped "Heavyweight eliminator" where no doubt Haye will fight some low risk (in terms of opponent) high reward (the ridiculous amount the casual mugs will pay to tune in) fight, and people will buy it as a legitimate meaningful contest.

And then he'll hope just maybe his mouth will get him another shot.

1. Agreed but lets be fair he's not the only mainstream fighter that does this.

2. Now it's up to the governing bodies not to rank Haye as number 1 until he fights those guys. If he wants to become a mandatory he must fight these guys.

I have criticized him in the past however this latest move is encouraging. I guess time will tell

cowzerp

T-K-O wrote: »

I tend to agree however a simliar Wlad batters the entire division hence the reason I rate Haye #3

Yeah but not by KO if all they are there for is to last the distance, Hitting someone who who has no intentions of engaging is easier said than done.

No credit should go to Haye for that match up and how he carried on.

FTA69

Really though what has this man ever done at the heavyweight level to warrant such hype? I have no doubt that he's a talented boxer but this notion of him being the "saving grace" of the heavyweight division is absurd. Let's look at his last five fights:

Valuev - one of the worst champions ever
Ruiz - probably the second worst champion ever and completely shot
Harrison - a f*cking nobody, farces like that ruin boxing in the eyes of the public
Klitschko - ran the entire fight and then blamed his toe, another farce
Chisora - a fighter many tiers below him in terms of ability who was coming off losses to Fury and Helenius. Again, a complete farce.

And based on the above we're supposed to believe that Haye has been a legitimate contender? He's a Sky hypejob and the type of person ignorant Brits latch on to because they haven't a clue about boxing.

He may well be a match for Chagaev or Povetkin and Adamek but he needs to fight these people first before declaring himself the best thing since sliced bread. The one legitimate heavyweight he fought he humiliated himself. Who is he to waltz back in now?

It's sad that anyone is taking any notice of him to be honest.

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

Yeah but not by KO if all they are there for is to last the distance, Hitting someone who who has no intentions of engaging is easier said than done.

No credit should go to Haye for that match up and how he carried on.

And he gets none from me. I'm just saying the best HW in the business couldn't touch this 'bum cruiser'

People dislike haye so much they see red when anything positive is said about the guy.

Haye campaigning at the weight is great news for division. If he does that his past won't bother me at all

cowzerp

T-K-O wrote: »

And he gets none from me. I'm just saying the best HW in the business couldn't touch this 'bum cruiser'

People dislike haye so much they see red when anything positive is said about the guy.

Haye campaigning at the weight is great news for division. If he does that his past won't bother me at all

I've fought lads who don't want to fight and in sparring i have fought elusive to try help training partners out and it's very hard to fight someone who only wants to survive.

I wouldn't knock Wlad at all for that, I certainly don't hate Haye but do feel he could have shook the division up if

1. He took on a few contenders
B. Tried to Win v Wlad rather than survive