..."Irish" SORN on the way.....

galwaytt

....the SO just heard on the radio that the SORN system is coming at €25 a go.......did anyone else hear it ?

s8n

What's sorn ?

ba_barabus

Just as the UK gets rid of its own system

DF1

Statutory off road notification

wesf

What are the details?

s8n wrote: »

What's sorn ?

declaring your car off the road before actually taking it off, that's the uk name for it.
You get in big trouble if you are caught driving it afterwards.

Please Kill Me

If it's like anything else the Irish try to do, it'll be made a bollix of, and it'll cost more!!! :mad:

Rabbo

Makes perfect sense.
The current system is being blatantly abused by many.

ba_barabus

Do you have to pay to do it in the uk?

Why don't they just have a pay as you drive system both for tax and insurance ?

You could log in to a site and put in the dates you will or will not be using the car.

S28382

Rabbo wrote: »

Makes perfect sense.
The current system is being blatantly abused by many.

Yup and I'm going to abuse it Tuesday I always pay my car tax, this month I couldn't so yeah I'm sorry for all the high horses but I'm going to take advantage for one last time.

Rabbo

S28382 wrote: »

Yup and I'm going to abuse it Tuesday I always pay my car tax, this month I couldn't so yeah I'm sorry for all the high horses but I'm going to take advantage for one last time.

I wouldn't judge anyone for taking advantage of it.
I am surprised it has taken so long for the loophole to be closed

Voodoomelon

Just looking at the penalties in the UK if you're caught after declaring your vehicle off the road:

"If you don’t make a SORN when you have to you’ll automatically be fined £80, will need to get a new tax disc and must pay any tax arrears. You could also get a County Court Judgement against you, be fined a minimum of £1,000 and be liable to prosecution."

Big Nasty

Was this not announced like a year ago or something?

pred racer

What a load o' balls!

Charging for something I can do for nothing right now,
Without enforcement they can bring in anything they want, nothing will change.
Make it fair and affordable, and people might actually pay their car tax.

Cash is king

Rabbo wrote: »

I wouldn't judge anyone for taking advantage of it.
I am surprised it has taken so long for the loophole to be closed

I cannot see it coming in any time in the near future. I have heard a lot of scare mongering about it in the last few years but nothing definitely. A lot of people think the Gardai won't sign the form anymore but they do. The last time I got it signed he checked the computer first to see was the car on the Pulse system!

S28382

Cash is king wrote: »

I cannot see it coming in any time in the near future. I have heard a lot of scare mongering about it in the last few years but nothing definitely. A lot of people think the Gardai won't sign the form anymore but they do. The last time I got it signed he checked the computer first to see was the car on the Pulse system!

It will be in they passed legislation for it today so I reckon it won't be long.

wesf

S28382 wrote: »

It will be in they passed legislation for it today so I reckon it won't be long.

What does this mean for people with no tax at the mo and a few months arrears?

blindside88

wesf wrote: »

What does this mean for people with no tax at the mo and a few months arrears?

Nothing as it isn't in yet, you can still have the form signed. It won't take immediate effect, I imagine it will be the end of the year before they will have the system in place at the earliest

S28382

wesf wrote: »

What does this mean for people with no tax at the mo and a few months arrears?

I might be wrong but it will only come into effect when its signed into law? As far as I know it's just been passed through legislation so the law part is next, like I said I could be wrong I'm open to correction on that one.

wesf

I still have a while yet so, i'm going for a year, 6 months down, 6 to go

MugMugs

wesf wrote: »

I still have a while yet so, i'm going for a year, 6 months down, 6 to go

I couldn't possibly relate to that

JohnBoy26

I don't mind the sorn part of it, but charging people who take their cars off the road is rediculous imo.

wesf

MugMugs wrote: »

I couldn't possibly relate to that

I actually read on another forum that they are on about doing away with 3 and 6 months tax, just a yearly payment!
That can't be right?!

ba_barabus

wesf wrote: »

I actually read on another forum that they are on about doing away with 3 and 6 months tax, just a yearly payment!
That can't be right?!

I've no issue with that as long as you can keep the tax and get a refund if you sell the car like in the UK

JohnBoy26

ba_barabus wrote: »

I've no issue with that as long as you can keep the tax and get a refund if you sell the car like in the UK

Not everyone can afford to pay yearly though

galwaytt

ba_barabus wrote: »

I've no issue with that as long as you can keep the tax and get a refund if you sell the car like in the UK

Why should I tax something for 12 months if I only use it for 6 ?

ba_barabus

galwaytt wrote: »

Why should I tax something for 12 months if I only use it for 6 ?

Like in the UK, declare it off the road and cash in the remaining tax.

nice_guy80

I'm going to be travelling from September to February

so you're telling me I'm going to have to pay €25 just to NOT drive my car

ba_barabus

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Not everyone can afford to pay yearly though

I'm fully aware of that, I only tax mine for 3-6 months but to be fair it works out more expensive

dgt

Charging to declare off the road?

As if I wasn't broke already! :rolleyes:

JohnBoy26

ba_barabus wrote: »

I'm fully aware of that, I only tax mine for 3-6 months but to be fair it works out more expensive

Correct It does if taxing quarterly, However it's the yearly lump sum i am on about, even though it's cheaper than taxing quarterly some people just can't afford to pay all that money in one go.

jca

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I'm going to be travelling from September to February

so you're telling me I'm going to have to pay €25 just to NOT drive my car

Looking like it. All cars will have to be accounted for whether being used or not, and of course 25 squids every year for that car you'll never actually get around to putting back on the road!!! Clever little government eh??

JohnBoy26

jca wrote: »

Looking like it. All cars will have to be accounted for whether being used or not, and of course 25 squids every year for that car you'll never actually get around to putting back on the road!!! Clever little government eh??

Arrogant Government more like IMO.

shinkansen

in the uk any car without tax is taken away, no way out. A car without tax if seen by a traffic warden or etc in a publin place would be reported and taken away., a summons would also most likely result for the owner.

Of course if a cop stopped you on the road without no tax or insurance you would be left there and the car taken on the spot. As said its abused by many in Ireland.

The difference is that the uk tax rates are very reasonable. I would have no problem paying £220pa for my 1.9.

nice_guy80

I'd have no problem with a 'pay tax as you use the road' charge

ie lump car tax costs onto fuel

daRobot

A charge to sorn is robbery, plain and simple, but considering FG already rised the stupidly high CC rates already, would we expect anything less?

ligertigon

If a southern reg car is imported to the north, (gets yellow reg). Is it free to re vrt back down here again?
If you get my drift....

The Bishop Basher

They would want to make the penalties seriously draconian to make getting caught more expensive than actually paying it.

Fact is, motor tax in this country is obscene and there are so many people stuck with now worthless pre 08 cars that can't afford to tax them.

On the upside, the government have stuck their hands in the pockets of AGS one too many times and enforcement will be even more non existent then it is now.

Fred Swanson

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shinkansen

cisk wrote: »

The difference is that the uk tax rates are very reasonable. I would have no problem paying £220pa for my 1.9.

its not just the tax issue, the UK has a huge population compared to Ireland. many will try to drive without no tax or insurance.

Thousands do every year. The magistrates here have very strict penalty's for anyone cough.

daRobot

daRobot wrote: »

......... but considering FG already rised the stupidly high CC rates already, would we expect anything less?

They had to recoup losses due to the system introduced by the greens, if they only raised the emissions scale the folks who faced increases would go looney.

daRobot

RoverJames wrote: »

They had to recoup losses due to the system introduced by the greens, if they only raised the emissions scale the folks who faced increases would go looney.

And...?

Senecio

Swanner wrote: »

Fact is, motor tax in this country is obscene and there are so many people stuck with now worthless pre 08 cars that can't afford to tax them.

Do people not understand you have to look at total cost of ownership. I'm quite happy that I can afford to purchase a pre-08 car because of the tax. The money I saved on initial purchase buys me a hell of a lot of tax over the next 5 years. The difference is, I'm driving a car I enjoy instead of a 1.2 lt diesel.

And nothing old boy.
Merely pointing out the reason for the increases that you seem offended by, don't you like seeing possible rationales for unpopular decisions or do you just want to p1ss and moan about FG ?

GL scrappy

Heard about this on the radio too, the government believes it will save €55 million annually in lost revenue.
Fair enough, but why then do they need to charge €25 (per car, per year) for a certificate which really only needs to be a redesign of the motor tax final reminder letter?

daRobot

RoverJames wrote: »

And nothing old boy.
Merely pointing out the reason for the increases that you seem offended by, don't you like seeing possible rationales for unpopular decisions or do you just want to p1ss and moan about FG ?

So let's be clear here: You think increasing tax on those who were paying too much, so as not to upset the ones who weren't paying enough is sound logic?

Gary ITR

Bit of a pain in the hole for me because I've four cars in my name that are off the road, at €25 a pop it quickly turns into a substantial sum

Poor dgt will need a mortgage to sorn all his stuff he has in the yard

RoverJames

RoverJames wrote: »

They had to recoup losses due to the system introduced by the greens, if they only raised the emissions scale the folks who faced increases would go looney.

daRobot wrote: »

So let's be clear here: You think increasing tax on those who were paying too much, so as not to upset the ones who weren't paying enough is sound logic?

Let's be clear here

Money had to be recouped, two options, recoup all of it from emissions taXed cars or spread it around. They chose the second one. Sorting out someone else's errors isn't easy.

I Don't consider motor tax on 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0 cars on the cc system to be too much as they currently stand. Over 2.5 gets looney admittedly but only the minority are effected by them.

shinkansen

Gary ITR wrote: »

Bit of a pain in the hole for me because I've four cars in my name that are off the road, at €25 a pop it quickly turns into a substantial sum

Poor dgt will need a mortgage to sorn all his stuff he has in the yard

he can just take the engine out and leave them be.

dgt

Gary ITR wrote: »

Bit of a pain in the hole for me because I've four cars in my name that are off the road, at €25 a pop it quickly turns into a substantial sum

Poor dgt will need a mortgage to sorn all his stuff he has in the yard

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