Is this odd

Design78

Hi, looking for some advise please.
Selling my car privately tomorrow. Only selling it for a few hundred but the guy buying it has asked can he take away log book & tax cert so as he can get it takes & nct ASAP. He has said he will give me copies of his licence. I've never sold a car before is this something I should be wary of.
Thanks

djimi

Under no circumstances should you ever give the buyer the log book.

CiniO

Design78 wrote: »

Hi, looking for some advise please.
Selling my car privately tomorrow. Only selling it for a few hundred but the guy buying it has asked can he take away log book & tax cert so as he can get it takes & nct ASAP. He has said he will give me copies of his licence. I've never sold a car before is this something I should be wary of.
Thanks

On the one hand it indeed is something you should be wary of, as you don't know what he is going to do with the car which still will be officially registered in your name.

On the other hand his intentions indeed might be genuine, as legally he is not allowed to drive a car without tax or NCT, and he also can't tax it or NCT it without having a VRC. So he has to wait for a week or few weeks until VRC arrives in post until he car legally drive his car.

CiniO

djimi wrote: »

Under no circumstances should you ever give the buyer the log book.

Except when someone is buying a car for export, then seller must give a logbook to the buyer.

Toyotafanboi

a million and one horror stories about people like this on here. dont do it.

Stheno

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

a million and one horror stories about people like this on here. dont do it.

Agreed, don't give the buyer the paperwork.

Seweryn

djimi wrote: »

Under no circumstances should you ever give the buyer the log book.

As posted already by Cinio, there are circumstances that you have to hand over the registration document to the buyer.

biko

You can offer to tax it in your name for 3 months if he buys car, then add it to price.
The rest he can do when he gets logbook from Shannon.

Design78

Thanks for all the replies, ill offer to tax for three months but not handover the paper work.
Thanks again all!

guil

I'm nearly certain you can hand it into the tax office while taxing the car and get it transferred there and then but obviously they won't print a new book

thecomedian

Do not give them the tax book, even if he says the deal is off.

Bpmull

guil wrote: »

I'm nearly certain you can hand it into the tax office while taxing the car and get it transferred there and then but obviously they won't print a new book

You can the last car my dad bought he needed to tax it straight away. So he went down with the owner and taxed it in the tax office and they transferred the ownership in the tax office. Op you could do something like that and I'm fairly sure you don't need the log book to nct the car. So the buyer has no reason to need it.

djimi

Seweryn wrote: »

As posted already by Cinio, there are circumstances that you have to hand over the registration document to the buyer.

CiniO wrote: »

Except when someone is buying a car for export, then seller must give a logbook to the buyer.

Fair enough, didnt realise that.

Not sure Id be impressed with handing over the log book to anyone, regardless of their plans for the car. Doesnt sit right with me.

Toyotafanboi

djimi wrote: »

Fair enough, didnt realise that.

Not sure Id be impressed with handing over the log book to anyone, regardless of their plans for the car. Doesnt sit right with me.

agreed, despite the fact that the lads described a circumstance where you should hand over the logbook, the scenario the OP described surely isn't fitting of that.

ronaneire

djimi wrote: »

Under no circumstances should you ever give the buyer the log book.

Not particularly true. If it was someone in the motor trade you can give them the log book/VLC if they RF105 it.

AugustusMinimus

Bpmull wrote: »

I'm fairly sure you don't need the log book to nct the car.

The log book is a requirement per the NCT website but as long as I've been getting cars NCTed I've never been asked for it at the NCT centre.

ABajaninCork

I wouldn't give the buyer the logbook. Any car I've sold, I've always kept hold of the logbook, taken copies and sent it off myself.

Logbooks are issued fairly quickly here anyway. I would question why the buyer's in such a hurry.

I'd want to feel the fit of his fibre first. In other words - money first!

Red Kev

CiniO wrote: »

Except when someone is buying a car for export, then seller must give a logbook to the buyer.

Seweryn wrote: »

As posted already by Cinio, there are circumstances that you have to hand over the registration document to the buyer.

Can someone explain this one to me? If the buyer says he is exporting then I have to give them the log book? Surely that can't be right.

If that's the case than surely anyone can say "Ah yeah, sure it's for export", then just take the car and drive around with it here without changing the name on the book?

I've exported a fair few cars and buses from here, but I always had the log book sent to Shannon to change the details to mine.

CiniO

Red Kev wrote: »

Can someone explain this one to me? If the buyer says he is exporting then I have to give them the log book? Surely that can't be right.

If that's the case than surely anyone can say "Ah yeah, sure it's for export", then just take the car and drive around with it here without changing the name on the book?

This applies to non-resident person buying car in Ireland for export.
F.e. if you have a French guy coming over here to buy a car, he will need logbook to register this car in France.
You can not put his details on logbook and sent it to Shannon as he doesn't have Irish address.

I've exported a fair few cars and buses from here, but I always had the log book sent to Shannon to change the details to mine.

But you are resident in Ireland. So you were changing logbook into your name and then exporting them. Right?

djimi

CiniO wrote: »

This applies to non-resident person buying car in Ireland for export.
F.e. if you have a French guy coming over here to buy a car, he will need logbook to register this car in France.
You can not put his details on logbook and sent it to Shannon as he doesn't have Irish address.

Thats a bit different than someone who is just looking to buy a car for export in fairness. So if someone comes to you with this story you should ask them for some verification of their foreign address before agreeing to hand over the log book?

CiniO

djimi wrote: »

Thats a bit different than someone who is just looking to buy a car for export in fairness. So if someone comes to you with this story you should ask them for some verification of their foreign address before agreeing to hand over the log book?

I suppose so. Surely you can ask for that if you have doubts that person is genuinely foreign resident.

But hey - what chances of verifying it do you have?

F.e. I could come to you, tell you that I'm Polish resident and buying car for export. And I could easily find a proof of my residence in Poland (which would look trustworthy for you) even though I'm not resident in Poland for last 6 years.


Problem is that exporting procedure of Irish cars is not regulated really anyhow by authorities.
There is no "export plates". There even isn't any official procedures.
All we know was from info Shannon is giving that in case of selling car for export to hand over logbook. But it's not even written anywhere. They will tell you this over the phone only.

One thing is for sure - it will be impossible to export a car without logbook (person exporting needs logbook firstly just to drive abroad in case he gets pulled over, and secondly more imporant to register a car in foreign country). Without logbook it will be impossible.
It's also impossible to have logbook issued for someone with foreign address.

So in short - no foreign resident is going to buy a car from you for export unless you hand him over the logbook. Otherwise he would be buying not a car, but peace of metal impossible to register in his country.


I like the solution in Germany.
If someone is selling car for export, then owner can deregister the car (return logbook and number plates to the office) and foreign buyer can purchase export plates (valid for a week or few weeks) and they will give him appropriate car documentation. Those plates costs something like 100 to 200 euros and include insurance for that period. With them person can drive all around Europe and even further fully legally. And seller doesn't have to worry what's going to happen with car, as it's not in his name anymore.
Unfortunately we don't have such system in Ireland. They also don't have this in UK, so all UK cars sold for export must come with V5C as well, which is also some kind of a risk for seller.
But there isn't any other way really.

djimi

CiniO wrote: »

I suppose so. Surely you can ask for that if you have doubts that person is genuinely foreign resident.

But hey - what chances of verifying it do you have?

F.e. I could come to you, tell you that I'm Polish resident and buying car for export. And I could easily find a proof of my residence in Poland (which would look trustworthy for you) even though I'm not resident in Poland for last 6 years.

I guess the best you can ask is that they bring some proof of address and its up to you to decide if its genuine or not. A recent utility bill in your own name would be the best you could ask for (if you havent been living in Poland you wouldnt have something like that Im guessing?)

Although to be honest on a personal level I just wouldnt take the chance at all, so if someone came to me looking for such an arrangement I dont think Id be interested in the sale at all.

djimi

CiniO wrote: »

I like the solution in Germany.
If someone is selling car for export, then owner can deregister the car (return logbook and number plates to the office) and foreign buyer can purchase export plates (valid for a week or few weeks) and they will give him appropriate car documentation. Those plates costs something like 100 to 200 euros and include insurance for that period. With them person can drive all around Europe and even further fully legally. And seller doesn't have to worry what's going to happen with car, as it's not in his name anymore.
Unfortunately we don't have such system in Ireland. They also don't have this in UK, so all UK cars sold for export must come with V5C as well, which is also some kind of a risk for seller.
But there isn't any other way really.

That system sounds the best alright. Even just having a form that you can send into Shannon to say that the car has been sold and is no longer in your name would be something. Although knowing Ireland I can see a lot of people looking to abuse such a system as a way of getting out of paying speeding fines, tolls etc... :rolleyes:

CiniO

djimi wrote: »

I guess the best you can ask is that they bring some proof of address and its up to you to decide if its genuine or not. A recent utility bill in your own name would be the best you could ask for (if you havent been living in Poland you wouldnt have something like that Im guessing?)

Heh you will be surprised, but I would have an utility bill from Poland issued within last month. And it wouldn't be forged - a real one.

Besides I suppose anyone from the continent would be very surprised if you asked about utility bills. It's just UK and Ireland where that kind of address confirmation way works.

Although to be honest on a personal level I just wouldnt take the chance at all, so if someone came to me looking for such an arrangement I dont think Id be interested in the sale at all.

The safest way would be to meet the buyer in the port, and make sure he goes straight into the ferry. Then you are 100% safe.