Abraham Stieglitz

clubwelly

Fair play to Stieglitz. Ended up watchin this one even thou I didn't plan on catchin it and was surprised that Stieglitz came out like a bull and looked the stronger man.

For anyone that missed it

http://www.allthebestfights.com/robert-stieglitz-vs-arthur-abraham-2-full-fight-video-2013/

megadodge

You're not the only one surprised. I lost a few quid on it, fully expecting Abraham to soak up everything and come back with his heavier artillery.
I was stunned when it was stopped, but then when I saw a closeup of Arthur's eye, it made sense - it was totally closed. Well done Stieglitz. Hopefully will fight George Groves next, in what has the makings of a very good fight.

Johner

Abraham was always hugely overrated. I'd give Groves a good chance of beating Stieglitz.

strongback

Abraham was very poor. Froch wrote the blueprint for beating Abraham, pile on the pressure.

Abraham looked clueless. He was always fairly one dimensional with his high guard and sporadic punches but I didn't think I see him so devoid of ideas when under pressure. He seemed happy enough to be taken out of his misery after 3 punishing rounds.

Big Ears

strongback wrote: »

Abraham was very poor. Froch wrote the blueprint for beating Abraham, pile on the pressure.

Abraham looked clueless. He was always fairly one dimensional with his high guard and sporadic punches but I didn't think I see him so devoid of ideas when under pressure. He seemed happy enough to be taken out of his misery after 3 punishing rounds.

?, I could be wrong here (I'd have to watch it back to be sure), but didn't Froch outbox Abraham primarily from range that night ?, from memory he only really started to put it on him late in the fight when it was clear Abraham wasn't too strong to trouble him.

Anyway I was delighted with the result, personally I thought Stieglitz won the first fight but new well they'd give Abraham a clear victory on the cards. This rematch was only made to give Abraham another 'safe' fight for relatively big money....thankfully Stieglitz didn't read the script and went out there and made a statement.

Hopefully Stieglitz vs Groves now, I'm not interested in Stieglitz vs Abraham III as it's already 2-0 in my book.

strongback

Big Ears wrote: »

?, I could be wrong here (I'd have to watch it back to be sure), but didn't Froch outbox Abraham primarily from range that night ?, from memory he only really started to put it on him late in the fight when it was clear Abraham wasn't too strong to trouble him.

Anyway I was delighted with the result, personally I thought Stieglitz won the first fight but new well they'd give Abraham a clear victory on the cards. This rematch was only made to give Abraham another 'safe' fight for relatively big money....thankfully Stieglitz didn't read the script and went out there and made a statement.

Hopefully Stieglitz vs Groves now, I'm not interested in Stieglitz vs Abraham III as it's already 2-0 in my book.

Froch wasn't as wild as Stieglitz and boxed more behind the jab but he did win by outworking Aabraham and he let the punches go when Abraham went into his clam. What was most similar between the two fight to me was how clueless Abraham is when his opponent finds a way to avoid his power shots. He looked totally lost about how to keep Stieglitz off him. Stieglitz was charging in a lot with an open guard. Abraham couldn't pick him off.

FTA69

Big Ears wrote: »

Hopefully Stieglitz vs Groves now.

I'd say if Groves is going to make a fight with anyone in the top ten of that division it'll probably be against Sakio Bika. I think Stieglitz and possibly Abraham would have the beating of him handy enough. Not to mention the likes of Froch, Ward or Kessler.

raymann

i found the undercard very dull and was pleasantly surprised by Stieglitz. i think he might be a bit too much for groves at the moment. the only reason i can think of for groves late addition to the card was a part of negotiations to fight the winner? perhaps someone has some insight into that?

Johner

Groves was meant to fight him last year but pulled out with an injury. I'd say it will happen sometime this year.

raymann

Johner wrote: »

Groves was meant to fight him last year but pulled out with an injury. I'd say it will happen sometime this year.

i remember that now. looks like a great fight now. i hope some of these match ups get made.

strongback

I would be surprised if Abraham v Stieglitz 3 gets made, best of 3. It would sell in Germany, depends if Abraham has the stomach for it.

T-K-O

Big Ears wrote: »

?, I could be wrong here (I'd have to watch it back to be sure), but didn't Froch outbox Abraham primarily from range that night ?, from memory he only really started to put it on him late in the fight when it was clear Abraham wasn't too strong to trouble him.

Anyway I was delighted with the result, personally I thought Stieglitz won the first fight but new well they'd give Abraham a clear victory on the cards. This rematch was only made to give Abraham another 'safe' fight for relatively big money....thankfully Stieglitz didn't read the script and went out there and made a statement.

Hopefully Stieglitz vs Groves now, I'm not interested in Stieglitz vs Abraham III as it's already 2-0 in my book.

Really, A German * getting robbed in Germany. I don't think so. If anything they robbed Abraham the other night. That stoppage was premature.

Granted Stieglitz was well on his way to victory but still..

Big Ears

T-K-O wrote: »

Really, A German getting robbed in Germany. I don't think so. If anything they robbed Abraham the other night. That stoppage was premature.

Granted Stieglitz was well on his way to victory but still..

Well a 'German' vs a 'German' or a Russian vs an Armenian depending on how you want to look at it, Abraham was the home fighter and promoters choice however.

Also I never used the word robbery, it was a close fight but for me Stieglitz clearly got the better of it. Well you can claim a premature stoppage all you want but it was seemingly Uli Wegner who pulled Abraham out, not the doctor or the ref. Also if it was let continue, with Abraham's eye in the state it was in, he'd have took a serious hammering, potentially career ending.

T-K-O

Big Ears wrote: »

Well a 'German' vs a 'German' or a Russian vs an Armenian depending on how you want to look at it, Abraham was the home fighter and promoters choice however.

Also I never used the word robbery, it was a close fight but for me Stieglitz clearly got the better of it. Well you can claim a premature stoppage all you want but it was seemingly Uli Wegner who pulled Abraham out, not the doctor or the ref. Also if it was let continue, with Abraham's eye in the state it was in, he'd have took a serious hammering, potentially career ending.

I haven't read any reports since the fight. It looked like the Dr. stopped the fight at the time..

Surely a comment like they'd give Abraham a clear victory on the cards. can only imply a robbery

Regardless the better man won the other night.

strongback

I watched it on Box Nation and they were saying Abraham's corner retired their man.

I didn't have a problem with the retirement as it looked like Abraham was looking for a way out. When Abraham was in the process of being beaten up he was looking to his corner and the ref like he wanted them to help him out

T-K-O

strongback wrote: »

I watched it on Box Nation and they were saying Abraham's corner retired their man.

I didn't have a problem with the retirement as it looked like Abraham was looking for a way out. When Abraham was in the process of being beaten up he was looking to his corner and the ref like he wanted them to help him out

I would agree. He wanted out but I thought the Dr. stopped it.

Big Ears

T-K-O wrote: »

I haven't read any reports since the fight. It looked like the Dr. stopped the fight at the time..

Surely a comment like they'd give Abraham a clear victory on the cards. can only imply a robbery

Regardless the better man won the other night.

I meant with the promotional clout behind Abraham, Stieglitz would of needed to batter Arthur half to death to win the fight. As it transpired it was close but Stieglitz deserved it more. However 2 of the judges only found 4 rounds to give to Robert, which imo were pretty poor cards.

As you mention it's all immaterial now.

megadodge

I have to say the ammount of disrespectful comments towards Abraham here is annoying me. This man is a proven hardcase. He's renowned for being a slow starter, which is why Stieglitz's tactics were spot-on. But to say Abraham was looking for a way out is ridiculous.

I've seen the fight twice now including numerous replays of the stoppage and it seems to me the doctor stopped it and old Ulli Wegner knew there was no point arguing as his eye was completely shut. This wasn't some minor cut when they thought he was ahead on points. This was very, very obvious.

raymann

megadodge wrote: »

I have to say the ammount of disrespectful comments towards Abraham here is annoying me. This man is a proven hardcase. He's renowned for being a slow starter, which is why Stieglitz's tactics were spot-on. But to say Abraham was looking for a way out is ridiculous.

I've seen the fight twice now including numerous replays of the stoppage and it seems to me the doctor stopped it and old Ulli Wegner knew there was no point arguing as his eye was completely shut. This wasn't some minor cut when they thought he was ahead on points. This was very, very obvious.

his eye was completely shut. you wouldnt want to see someone taking right hand after right hand completely unable to see them. shame for him to have a stoppage on his record but it did seem the right thing to do.

strongback

megadodge wrote: »

I have to say the ammount of disrespectful comments towards Abraham here is annoying me. This man is a proven hardcase. He's renowned for being a slow starter, which is why Stieglitz's tactics were spot-on. But to say Abraham was looking for a way out is ridiculous.

I've seen the fight twice now including numerous replays of the stoppage and it seems to me the doctor stopped it and old Ulli Wegner knew there was no point arguing as his eye was completely shut. This wasn't some minor cut when they thought he was ahead on points. This was very, very obvious.

By the third Abraham had no answers and looked clueless as to how to stop the onslaught. He kept looking at his corner and the ref. He wasn't enjoying it and looked like he was having problems defending himself. The stoppage was timely. It seems from reports it was stopped by the doctor.