Percolation Test Results

newbuild2013

Hi,

Does anyone know if failed percolation test results are obliged to be sent into the council. The engineer who did the test (and it failed) has indicated that he is obliged to send in the results. Is this correct?

Thanks

Poor Uncle Tom

Yes, or at least keep a record of all tests carried out and submit them when requested to do so.

shiver1

are you not employing this engineer to do work on your behalf

and are you not paying him(hint hint)if he does send it in.

Poor Uncle Tom

shiver1 wrote: »

are you not employing this engineer to do work on your behalf

and are you not paying him(hint hint)if he does send it in.

You still have to pay for an NCT or DOE even if the vehicle fails....

Please don't insinuate that because you are paying for a test you can dictate the results, read the charter (hint hint).

A fella called fish

Surely the failed results will be sent in as the justification for providing a raised bed system?

sydthebeat

A fella called fish wrote: »

Surely the failed results will be sent in as the justification for providing a raised bed system?

some failed results will mean the site is not suitable for effluent treatment at all.

newbie2013

Do the council not come out and check for themselves.

Just a question about the new percolation tests getting carried out soon. How is it possible to check that a perc area is preforming correctly when its been installed for over a decade. Just something me and our negioubours have been chatting about and cant get our heads around it.

(Sorry OP if im hijacking your thread, just thought id ask here seeing as its about a perc area)

sydthebeat

newbie2013 wrote: »

1. Do the council not come out and check for themselves.

Just a question about the new percolation tests getting carried out soon.

2. How is it possible to check that a perc area is preforming correctly when its been installed for over a decade. Just something me and our negioubours have been chatting about and cant get our heads around it.

(Sorry OP if im hijacking your thread, just thought id ask here seeing as its about a perc area)

1. some councils carry the test out themselves, others dont.

2. If the 'percolation area' isnt working properly it would be obvious by checking the inspection chamber. The main purpose of a percolation area is to spread the waste and allow it to percolate to ground. The most common problem would be it backing up, and this would be obvious.

sinnerboy

shiver1 wrote: »

are you not employing this engineer to do work on your behalf

and are you not paying him(hint hint)if he does send it in.

Now why DO we generally have such poor compliance with building regulations in Ireland ? .....

newbie2013

sydthebeat wrote: »

1. some councils carry the test out themselves, others dont.

2. If the 'percolation area' isnt working properly it would be obvious by checking the inspection chamber. The main purpose of a percolation area is to spread the waste and allow it to percolate to ground. The most common problem would be it backing up, and this would be obvious.

I hope they all start doing it because ive heard of engineers sending in false results. If all councils start doing the tests then these cowboys wont get away with this anymore.




Ive always wondered about the percolation area just over my boundry. The land wouldnt be that great drainage wise and i seen them construct it and when i say construct, all they did was stick a few pipes in the ground. Not a stone to be seen! This is a holiday home and would only get used every month for a wknd or a few weeks in the summer. If the house was lived in full time, i would think it would percolate to well but if the inspectors came out to look now while its a getting used as a holiday homw, they'd think everything was ok with it.

sydthebeat

newbie2013 wrote: »

I hope they all start doing it because ive heard of engineers sending in false results. If all councils start doing the tests then these cowboys wont get away with this anymore.

Ive always wondered about the percolation area just over my boundry. The land wouldnt be that great drainage wise and i seen them construct it and when i say construct, all they did was stick a few pipes in the ground. Not a stone to be seen! This is a holiday home and would only get used every month for a wknd or a few weeks in the summer. If the house was lived in full time, i would think it would percolate to well but if the inspectors came out to look now while its a getting used as a holiday homw, they'd think everything was ok with it.

IF they are, its silly because one of the reasons councils require ALL test results to be sent in is that they can create databases of soil types in specific areas.
If it turns out that its obvious that a result is doctored, the council can remove those persons who falsified results can and would be removed from the approved lists of assessors.
Id also be very wary about what you hear on the grape vine or at a bar counter...... its very easy for competitors to start rumours about other assessors....

newbuild2013

sydthebeat wrote: »

IF they are, its silly because one of the reasons councils require ALL test results to be sent in is that they can create databases of soil types in specific areas.
If it turns out that its obvious that a result is doctored, the council can remove those persons who falsified results can and would be removed from the approved lists of assessors.
Id also be very wary about what you hear on the grape vine or at a bar counter...... its very easy for competitors to start rumours about other assessors....

Thanks for the helpful comments. I think it makes sense now that the results would be sent in, it just seemed strange to me that a private report was submitted to the council without my permission. I had just wanted to know if this was standard and was it an obligation of the test engineer.

engineermike

Hi,
There is always a question of a professionals 'duty of care'. This is primarily to the client but can in certain instances include: occupants of adjoining properties or situations where a building is rented & a risk to the occupants exists.
With out action (by owner / client to remedy a problem) your duty of care may oblige you to inform building control.
Similarly if environmental concerns or health and safety concerns existed in a given situation you are obliged to report to the relevant authority.

The EPA & councils guidelines require submission of results as part of your registered assessor criteria then submit you must.
I'm still scratching my head as to why you would submit false results & these are normally backed up with evidence & record of the proximate cause of the issue with the system. Does sound like Bar talk or something of that nature.:D
Also most eng. I know would work with the homeowner to suggest remedial action to ensure PETS system is compliant & assist if requested to sign off on the new system.
mike f